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http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_c ... to-Repairs


Articles like this irritate me to death. I can't stand it when I see someone getting ripped off for car repairs, especially women. I use to get crap all the time at AutoZone when I went in to buy parts because they thought I was the typical dumb woman. They tried to tell what what was wrong with my car and what I needed to do to it....blah, blah, blah. "Just give me my battery Junior, and No, I don't need you too hook it up for me." :rolleyes: :mad:

Anyone have any horror stories about their wives / moms / sisters / girl friends getting ripped off for repairs?


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We were at Jiffy Lube to get our oil changed once.

A guy told us to change our diff fluid or it'll explode and flip the car. :facepalm:
I just stared at him and laughed.

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Lulz @ asploding diff flipping car.

Maybe slide to a skidding halt.... But yeah, I used to get that all the time too. Being a 16 year old who is coming into a store to buy an alternator and valve cover gaskets gets you some annoying questions and weird looks. I get that less the older I get, hardly at all now, but it used to piss me off.

Repair shops still try to take me for a ride.... $105 for a $15 fuel filter that is in the engine bay with 3 Phillip's screws on it? No, thank you.

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They also said our transmission fluid was old and would explode. :gotme

So then, I asked them to show me where the transmission dipstick was, and how they checked the diff fluid (the fluids in both were new), they didn't know and just told me to trust them.

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Ace2cool wrote:Repair shops still try to take me for a ride.... $105 for a $15 fuel filter that is in the engine bay with 3 Phillip's screws on it? No, thank you.
To put these people in their place, I really think that everyone should have to pass an automotive competency test before they can get a driver's license. Not only should everyone have to pass a written test and a driving test, they should also be required to identify certain components of the car, change a battery, jump start a battery, change a tire, [change an air filter], etc.

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i've only had one bad experience.... it was when i first got my truck when i was still 15... took it for its first oil change and asked JUST for an oil change

an extra $35 later... the tires were rotated and 2 studs were broken :facepalm:

i've never let someone work on my truck since unless i HAD to

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Razi wrote:They also said our transmission fluid was old and would explode. :gotme

So then, I asked them to show me where the transmission dipstick was, and how they checked the diff fluid (the fluids in both were new), they didn't know and just told me to trust them.
Had a friend go through the exact same thing. She had her car towed from the Jiffy Lube to her friend's shop to be check out. Turns out, Jiffy Lube had drained her transmission fluid in hopes of getting her to ask them to replace it. <Do they even do that type of repair?????>

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They pull that type of crap all the time.

They replaced our air filter and supposedly our cabin filter and charged us for it.
My dad said "We did not ask you to do that, show me my old filter, I bet it's clean because we just replaced it a few hundred miles ago, put it back in and remove the charge."

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Razi wrote: "We did not ask you to do that, show me my old filter, I bet it's clean because we just replaced it a few hundred miles ago, put it back in and remove the charge."
cue a new asian dad meme....

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:rotfl


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HA!

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What's really bad is the brake repair places. The ones that claim that they will change your brake pads for $100 bucks. Then they get in there and tear your whole system apart, claim something is wrong with it (or damage it on purpose), and say you HAVE to fix it because they can't let it out on the road in its current condition because it is a road hazard. It's in the itsy-bitsy-fine print but most people don't read the whole thing. Once you sign, you're on the hook, even if you don't ask for it. Technically, you gave them permission.

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Yeah it's scary stuff.
Only thing a shop will ever do on my car is change it's tires and do the alignment, nothing else.

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The local Nissan dealership sends me certificates for discounted oil changes for the Frontier, so I can take it to them cheaper than I can change it myself. They know us and they know about NICO. They have never suggested anything, I think they know better. :chuckle:

There is a local tire shop nearby that we take our tires to. They are cool people (Fletcher's) and they like our classics. They always hook us up but we take them a ton of business. It's a good relationship.

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Good shops ftw!

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nissangirl74 wrote: Anyone have any horror stories about their wives / moms / sisters / girl friends getting ripped off for repairs?
My mom's best friend's husband passed away about 8 months ago. He had a '99 M-B C280 that he bought new and totally babied. So she was left with this car. Well, a few things happend to break down on it right before the summer. The single-arm windshield wiper, the power driver's seat, and the AC was blowing hot. Having never had to deal with car repairs before, as her husband handled them, she took it to a local mechanic. He tells her the entire AC system, driver's seat, and wiper arm/motor all need to be replaced. He estimates $1900. She's bummed out, but it's her husband's car that he loved, so she drops it off on a Saturday afternoon. He says he will order the parts and get to work on it the following week.

Her daughter happens to tell me the story that night, and immediately I'm skeptical. I don't know much about M-B's, so a quick search online gets me some answers. These are all very common problems for that particular model, and they are cheap, easy repairs. I'm talking less than 100 bucks in parts. I tell her this, and we order the parts online.

I go to pick up the car that Monday, telling the guy we are doing the work ourself. He tries to give me the whole, "Well, it's a Benz, it's pretty complicated stuff, everything is broken, blah blah blah." Then drops the quote to 1200. I don't say a word (as instructed by my friend). I get the keys, drive away. Parts come in 2 days later. Literally, it only took 20 MINUTES to fix everything!!

My friend is absolutely furious. Her father had just passed, and this guy tried to rip her mother off. She wants blood. She prints out the pages from the forum describing the repairs, grabs me, hops in the car, drives to the shop. The guy never saw it coming. She verbally castrates him in front of his entire staff and 4 customers. He finally walks into his office and shuts the door. We leave, just as 3 of the 4 customers cancel their repairs.

I understand mechanics and repair shops have a little hustle in what they do to make money. Cool. But that was a total scumbag move.

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LocAL_anarchy wrote: She prints out the pages from the forum describing the repairs, grabs me, hops in the car, drives to the shop. The guy never saw it coming. She verbally castrates him in front of his entire staff and 4 customers. He finally walks into his office and shuts the door. We leave, just as 3 of the 4 customers cancel their repairs.
Good for her. :dblthumb:

There should be an ethics committee for those scumbags..... :squint:

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Just my 2 cents.

That article is very misleading. It is based entirely on what the women said, and no evidence is given. I think she is a complainer. Without a single knuckle to stand on.

Let me break it down. This goes for men and women, but in my experience, women are more prone to it. People do not understand their own cars. They often do not understand the terms being used when discussing an automotive repair. If you don't understand the words that are being used, you are much more likely to forget details. I see it all the time. Something can be clearly explained to a person, they take the price for work, and call a "friend". This often leads to massive miss communication, and mistrust is formed. Guess who gets the blame. Not to mention that "friend" has no overhead, no markup, no warranty, and limited tools/skills.

She says they tried to pull $2000 out of her for a $150 job. In truth, it was a $2000 job, she just found someone to do half of it for $150 dollars worth of used parts.

Volkswagens of that era will turn the brake warning light on for many different reasons. The fact that the dealership said she needed a new knuckle tells a story in itself. Cars dont just end up needing a knuckle. I would bet 1 of 2 things happened. Either she hit something, (you would be amazed how far people will go to cover their own screw up) and bent the knuckle, there by damaging the ABS, or brake wear warning system. In the dealership world, as well as many other shops, we dont take chances. If the knuckle is damaged from impact, the strut, the knuckle, and the control arms are all replaced, to avoid a return problem. Because one strut is newer, both sides are replaced, to make sure handling is not effected. Another possibility, is that she had a wheel bearing begin to fail. I have been blown away again and again how long people will try to ignore certain things. Ignoring a wheel bearing can easily destroy an ABS tone wheel, as well as the hub, and the knuckle.

Either way, add in the cost of a VW dealership labor rate (higher than average) and a full wheel alignment, and its not at all hard to run a bill up to $2000.

This doesn't even take in to account all the maintenance issues that could have been recommended based on the mileage of the vehicle. Is she going to separate these from the singular issue that caused the brake warning light? Or is she just going to use that higher number to make her complaint seem more valid?

When she got the car to her "friend" a $150 used knuckle/bearing assembly was installed, with no cost for labor, no wheel alignment, and no warranty. I can see why she is getting her panties all bunched up, but the problem is, its as much, if not more her fault, than anyone else's. More likely than not, everything was explained to her, but she was too busy staring wide eyed at the $2000 bill that was attempting to give her a pulmonary embolism, to realize what was being explained to her.

For every valid "crooked repair shop" complaint, there are 20 that are misplaced, or fraudulent. The women who wrote that article is a fear monger, and she knows little, if anything about that which she is writing. Anyone can use google, she needs to stop pretending to be a journalist.

PS, stay away from fast lubes, (valvoline, jiffy lube), a lot of those shops are so crooked Im surprised the walls aren't falling down. I could spin heads with the stuff I have seen. Can anyone tell me what happens when you put power steering fluid into a brake fluid reservoir on a 2006 Nissan Murano?

Bex, Im not saying stuff like this doesn't happen, Im just saying that article is a poor example.

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Good point Ian. I don't know what happens when you put PS fluid in a brake fluid reservoir but I knew a woman who had her motor filled up with transmission fluid once. Guess who got a new motor free of charge? :chuckle:

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nissangirl74 wrote:Good point Ian. I don't know what happens when you put PS fluid in a brake fluid reservoir but I knew a woman who had her motor filled up with transmission fluid once. Guess who got a new motor free of charge? :chuckle:
A $6,000 bill getting paid by someone else.

PS fluid + brake fluid = dissolving rubber. Dissolving rubber = Destroyed master cylinder, reservoir, proportioning valve, ABS solenoid assembly, all brake hoses/lines, and all the brake callipers. Every single hydrolic part of the braking system needs replacing. Its not pretty.

The local valvoline is not going to have a good December. :chuckle:

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FlatBlackIan wrote:
nissangirl74 wrote:Good point Ian. I don't know what happens when you put PS fluid in a brake fluid reservoir but I knew a woman who had her motor filled up with transmission fluid once. Guess who got a new motor free of charge? :chuckle:
A $6,000 bill getting paid by someone else.

PS fluid + brake fluid = dissolving rubber. Dissolving rubber = Destroyed master cylinder, reservoir, proportioning valve, ABS solenoid assembly, all brake hoses/lines, and all the brake callipers.

The local valvoline is not going to have a good December. :chuckle:
HOLY DAMN. :iconeek

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This reminds me of another time. Sarah (Sarahlovesher300zx) went to Sears for a tire rotation, since she has free scheduled rotations, and when she picked her car back up, the guy said, "I noticed your washer fluid was low, so I put some fluid in, but I think there's a hole in the reservoir, since the light didn't go off."

On a Z32, the washer fluid reservoir is in the hatch, on the driver's side. She was worried about her interior getting rusted out, so she popped the hatch, pointed out the fill point, and said, "You filled it up here?", to which the guy responded, "No, I filled it under the hood."

The only thing resembling a washer reservoir up front is the coolant reservoir. When she told me about this, I told her to go straight back there and demand a coolant flush be performed, on their bill, by a shop of her choice. They tried to give her the runaround and say that he filled it under the hood (which he hadn't), and then tried to say that he only put water in it (which once again, he hadn't). Eventually, they finally gave in and she got the flush from a local Z shop. I was absolutely livid throughout that scenario, however.

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:squint:

I hate people. That is all, carry on.

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dam these are F'd up stories. I dont really know why owners of independent companys do that. Just about every one of them I have worked for say write down everything you see that may need replacing, it doesnt matter if its bad now but it will be. But it really pisses me off when the owners sell stuff that they DONT NEED. Like brakes that are still 65% good, stupid valve covers that barely even leak, or stupid flushes where trans is still cherry red and brake that still looks like clear yellow piss. I hate when managers list a whole bunch of crap to try and sell stuff like recommending shocks/stuts at 50,000 and all the other basic maintenance crap that they make sound dire. And its most important to have employees that actually know a little bit about cars, and to managers that have been in the car business so they halfway know what the f*** they are talking about to costomers!!!!!!! You hear that George King of NTB you F***ING worthless piece of s***!!!! That is the dumbest mofo I have ever seen in my life. They hired this guy fresh off the boat from mexico, couldnt speak English at all so we had to pretty much use sign language to communicate, and had to have everybody drive the car on a lift for him bc he couldnt, and took literally an hour for an oil change. He ran a car off of a lift and came back to work the next day because he didnt understand that he was fired lolol (we called that in the shop and it happened). Why would you hire this guy in the first place with absolutly no previous car experience? God I hated that place.

Anyways, I used to see it all the time and it really truely pisses me off, just for an extra buck of commission. People have the right to see a problem with their own eyes and to see what only needs to be replaced, then warned for whats on its way out. They should be able to trust the epople that work on their cars and not be afraid of being scammed.

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alms24sebring wrote: recommending shocks/stuts at 50,000
This is a touchy subject.

I have heard too many people say that 50k is too early to replace dampers.

The truth is, for many vehicles, its too late.

I have seen EM honda civics destroy a set of struts in 30,000 miles. Chrysler minivans with rear shocks that physically break in 2 before 40,000 miles go by. These aren't just maintenance issues, they are safety issues. New cars are built to ride better than in the old days. This comes at the expense of the dampers themselves. They work a lot harder, and wear out a lot faster.

I personally wouldn't recommend something to someone, unless it is something I would do myself. Case and point, my wifes 06 Maxima is nearly due for its 60k mile service. I have already begun pricing out new struts for the car. Blown or not, they are being replaced. The way I see it, its cheap insurance for tire life, car control, and ride quality.

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Speaking of rip-offs, that article in the OP said this:
Get a clue.

You can diagnose what's wrong before you hit the shop by using the CarMD tool ($99; www.carmd.com). Just plug the hand-held device into your car (every model after 1996 has a standard connection port) and it reads the car's computer codes.
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I got into a heated debate 3-4 yrs ago with a service advisor at what was a reputable alignment-tire/etc place in Chadds Ford, PA. I was a regular customer for tires but I was asking about getting an alignment in the future and that I had custom "specs"--nothing special, car didn't have coil-overs at the time. (Previous service advisor said it was fine and that they had other customers come in with the same requests. He was an awesome advisor but ended up moving to FL).

Anyhow, his replacement was a Camaro-driving-douchebag and I guess was emasculated by my request or something. He argued with me for a good 5min that the caster was not adjustable on my car when I explained I had adjustable tension rods (SPL, woo!) and he went on saying that nothing else was adjustable either and it "couldn't be done." I blew him off and said I'll go elsewhere and hung out in the waiting room (I think I was there getting summer tires thrown on) and another service advisor had to come in and apologize for his behavior. THEN the Camaro-d-bag came back and apologized and asked me about what autocross was and that he's "more of a drag racing guy".. (ORLY!?!?)

I never went back, they lost a customer because of that a$$. I have a new favorite tire shop now that remembers all my special requests to the letter and they take good care of my car too. They're closer to me even.

Finding an honest mechanic even when you're a car savvy woman is difficult, I'm friends with most of mine so that helps a ton.

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Dattebayo wrote:Speaking of rip-offs, that article in the OP said this:
Get a clue.

You can diagnose what's wrong before you hit the shop by using the CarMD tool ($99; http://www.carmd.com). Just plug the hand-held device into your car (every model after 1996 has a standard connection port) and it reads the car's computer codes.
:facepalm:
hahaha, subliminal advertisement. It doesnt actually 'tell' you the problem half the time anyways.

^ I also hate when mechanics are cocky and think they know everything. It sucks even worse when you work with them. If he would even look at it, he could see everything was adjustable.

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I think Jiffy Lube has the highest retard per location capita of any major retail chain out there. I wouldn't even be able to pick just one story to share.

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