Are you for legalization or against it? (marijuana)

[themadscientist]

In this scenario it is legal remember? That negates the employment testing argument.You are exposed to inumerable toxins all day every day. A pothead next door exposes you no greater danger than a smoker next door or a guy letting his car idle in the driveway and likely less than firing a shot of raid at some ants on the floor. Your bone chilling fear of the insidious pot smoke sneaking across the yard all ninja-like, jimmying the window lock and diving into your nose because it is somehow more tenacious than any other airborne particulate is completely rediculous. If drugs were legal they would be subject to all the regulations socially accepted ones would be; namely age and location/use restrictions so again I say, be realistic.

Let's entertain this irrational fear you have of the evil meryjuwanna and apply it to other contaminants. Alcohol likely destroys more families than all illicit drugs combined but as it is a liquid and thusly less persistent we will suspend it from the discussion which for you seems centered around second hand exposure. You are not likely to get alcohol in you from someone else's drink unless your game is so weak the chick throws her drink in your face and your mouth is open.

Cigarettes. Do you smoke? That is a terrible contaminant that is legal to purchase after a certain age and able to be used in certain situations. Cool? Make it illegal; where are you at on that one? Consistency is important now. Do we tell people they can't smoke anymore, ever, even in the middle of Montana? That is the way the wacky tobaccy is treated. You say it's good, I say walk the walk and make all likewise articles illegal.

Internal combustion engines. Drive a car do you? Not only are the emissions from a car known to be harmful to humans but certain people would suggest they are destroying our atmosphere. And OMG they are everywhere belching fumes and toxins! Ready to outlaw them and go electric only? I mean right now too. We have a precedent to follow that you have set; lets get on it immediately.

Sick people. How many people cough in your vacinity in a day? They are spewing germs; spit-coated insideous germs! They should be quarantined immediately. The germs could easily float down the hallway, sneak under the door, trek across the carpet, climb up your sneaker and infect you while you are sitting on your formaldehyde-soaked couch eating instant ramen with an ingredient list that goes all the way around the the cup and sounds like the chemical compound for agent orange.

This is just a few examples of the things you are exposed to on a daily basis and you are actually laying awake at night worried about a stoner lighting up a spliff next door? Can we worry about something actually important please?

[audtatious]

Not sure who that is aimed at.

BigMACKenzie

[themadscientist]

BigMACKenzie

I can see why.

[audtatious]

Absolutely

[BigMACKenzie]

TMS' post at the top of page four, how come when I say that everyone says im a gin crazed looney toon but when he says it we all nod our heads at his sagely opinion? not to belittle TMS (what you said was absolutely true) I just don't see the diff in what we said, only hwo we said it. Still does not make it any less true. Oh and you can quote the White house website with anti MJ poo poo all over it, but I still think your the fool for listening to the same ppl that promote abstinence only sex-ed and other various exercises in idiocy. They are also the same ppl in charge of keeping MJ as a schedule I drug up there with cocaine and PCP so excuse me while I assume they can't even find the station that the logic train arrives/departs at/from.

[audtatious]

So, any articles I post that are against legalization and mention possible issues with it are immediately void and worthless in your book. The Food and Drug Administration, Drug Enforcement Agency, American Medical Association, National Medical Association, etc etc etc, all are against legislation to legalize marijuana. Why try and have a discussion at all when you don't care and feel you and your information is above reproach?

I have told you once to watch your attitude. This is your last warning. Keep playing the school bully and name calling and you will get a vacation.

[BigMACKenzie]

name calling?

[audtatious]

name calling

[Qwerty1942]

I edited your post to only have the quotes I want in them. Since when does "do not appear" make it a fact? Hmmm...That sure sounds like they are making an assumption to me. Not fact. Same with found no correlation, making an assumption on the cases available, still not fact.

/discussion.

Modified by JerodKing at 8:40 AM 8/21/2008

It's a fact that no one has gotten lung cancer from marijuana. You cannot dispute this.

A link has never been found between Marijuana smoking and cancer. What this means is that smoking Marijuana doesn't raise your chances of getting cancer, any more than if you didn't smoke anything.

This is how scientific proof works: if there is no link found through studies, then one cannot say there is.... So since there is no link to finding lung cancer from Marijuana use... then it's safe to say it doesn't cause it. Numerous studies back this up.

The reason for this is because THC has anti-inflammatory properties, as well as Anti-Cancer properties. There is also proof that THC helps regulate cells, and keep them on their natural death schedule. Each cell has a set time limit that it's not supposed to over-live... cancerous cells break that limit... THC merely corrects this problem to some degree.

The Anti-cancer properties of THC, counter-act any cancerous effect the smoke may have. And of course, if you vaporize like I do or use edibles, then you've got nothing to worry about.

Here's a nifty link: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/Quote »Myth: Marijuana is More Damaging to the Lungs Than Tobacco. Marijuana smokers are at a high risk of developing lung cancer, bronchitis, and emphysema.

Fact: Moderate smoking of marijuana appears to pose minimal danger to the lungs. Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains a number of irritants and carcinogens. But marijuana users typically smoke much less often than tobacco smokers, and over time, inhale much less smoke. As a result, the risk of serious lung damage should be lower in marijuana smokers. There have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to marijuana, and in a large study presented to the American Thoracic Society in 2006, even heavy users of smoked marijuana were found not to have any increased risk of lung cancer. Unlike heavy tobacco smokers, heavy marijuana smokers exhibit no obstruction of the lung's small airway. That indicates that people will not develop emphysema from smoking marijuana.[/quote]/owned

[Qwerty1942]

Qwerty...

I'm not going to respond to you anymore until you acknowledge that mj smoke is different than tobacco smoke. I'm sorry but thinking that mj smokers are going to die like the cig smokers is asinine.

[szh]

I'm not going to respond to you anymore until you acknowledge that mj smoke is different than tobacco smoke. I'm sorry but thinking that mj smokers are going to die like the cig smokers is asinine.

Myth #3 : http://www.whitehousedrugpolic...facts/

FWIW, I don't do either, because I don't like having my lungs get smoke built up inside them for years.

Also, if I had been a smoker - of any kind - I would not have survived my heart problems at the age of 46. It is that simple!

Z

[Qwerty1942]

Adult choices per your comment above. As long as it's only harmful to the one taking it then all drugs, including prescription, should be legalized because it's a persons right. If you legalize pot then you are descriminating against those who like other drugs as well. So, you are at a "draw the line" standpoint and I'd like to see why pot, altho less "lethal" than the others, should be allowed while others are not.

The reason why mj should be legalized is because it is NOT lethal and can be used as an alternative method of medicine. You know, even mdma (ecstasy) is federally legalized for medicinal use and its a much more dangerous drug than mj. But of course, since mdma is man-made (profit for drug companies) it gets a pass.
Modified by Qwerty1942 at 1:13 PM 8/23/2008

[Qwerty1942]

Myth #3 : http://www.whitehousedrugpolic...facts/

FWIW, I don't do either, because I don't like having my lungs get smoke built up inside them for years.

Also, if I had been a smoker - of any kind - I would not have survived my heart problems at the age of 46. It is that simple!

Z

already posted this but I'll post it again:

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Quote »Myth: Marijuana is More Damaging to the Lungs Than Tobacco. Marijuana smokers are at a high risk of developing lung cancer, bronchitis, and emphysema.

Fact: Moderate smoking of marijuana appears to pose minimal danger to the lungs. Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains a number of irritants and carcinogens. But marijuana users typically smoke much less often than tobacco smokers, and over time, inhale much less smoke. As a result, the risk of serious lung damage should be lower in marijuana smokers. There have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to marijuana, and in a large study presented to the American Thoracic Society in 2006, even heavy users of smoked marijuana were found not to have any increased risk of lung cancer. Unlike heavy tobacco smokers, heavy marijuana smokers exhibit no obstruction of the lung's small airway. That indicates that people will not develop emphysema from smoking marijuana.[/quote]

[audtatious]

The reason why mj should be legalized is because it is less lethal and can be used as an alternative method of medicine. You know, even mdma (ecstasy) is federally legalized for medicinal use and its a much more dangerous drug than mj. But of course, since mdma is man-made (profit for drug companies) it gets a pass.

I've said before that I'm not against it being legalized. I just dislike those who spew forth that there are NO side effects nor issues with it.

[Qwerty1942]

nothing has absolutely no side effects. but the fact that mj is illegal while cigs and booze are legal is just ridiculous and demonstrates how much influence the drug companies have in drug legislation.

[audtatious]

Not necessarily. THC has higher psychoactive effects than regular smoking. If that were not the case then why want it in the first place?

[Qwerty1942]

Not necessarily. THC has higher psychoactive effects than regular smoking.

Obviously, that is what produces the high.

If that were not the case then why want it in the first place?

Huh?

[audtatious]

That was in response to anyone who may say "no wai" to the statement

[Qwerty1942]

btw, just because it contains psychoactive elements does NOT mean it will make you psycho. The only people who have to worry about this are the ones who already have a predisposition to a psychotic illness.

[audtatious]

Not something I was insinuating. I agree with what you are saying as you do admit that there are negative aspects of it as a drug whereas others on here have simply stuck to the "it's good for you" approach and argues that there are no negative issues with it.

[Qwerty1942]

The reason why mj should be legalized is because it is [strike]less[/strike]NOT lethal and can be used as an alternative method of medicine. You know, even mdma (ecstasy) is federally legalized for medicinal use and its a much more dangerous drug than mj. But of course, since mdma is man-made (profit for drug companies) it gets a pass.

Fixed my post. I meant to say it's not lethal, not less.

[SteveTheTech]

I want to start by thanking you for your brave service to our great country. If that is how you want to relax I think that is your right you have worked harder than any of us, and you earned it. I think it should be legalized, people are going to continue to use it regardless of whether its legal or not. People are less likely to commit violent crimes under the influence of marijuana than alcohol. Of course there are people out there that always take things too far and they are the ones that are focused on. It has proven medical benefits that are widely accepted. There was an earlier comment equating pot smokers to crack heads, come on that's way off base. I used to smoke in my younger days and I never hurt anyone , I watched the Discovery channel and ate Funions.

[srellim234]

In this scenario it is legal remember? That negates the employment testing argument.

Wrong. An employer can demand you don't have even a particular legal substance in your system and test for them. Some healthcare companies are restricting employment to non-tobacco smokers. The L.A. Sheriff's Dep't has adopted a zero tolerance rule of any alcohol at any level in your system in the job. Even .000001%. To me it's unrealistic, but it's happening and people are being denied employment under such policies.

[srellim234]

I'm not going to respond to you anymore until you acknowledge that mj smoke is different than tobacco smoke. I'm sorry but thinking that mj smokers are going to die like the cig smokers is asinine.

Feel free not to respond. Doesn't hurt my feelings. There is this tremendous fixation with mj smokers that it doesn't cause cancer. Speculation (and that's all there is on either side of the argument at this point) is that there is either some protection to the cells offered by mj OR the cells are killed off before cancer can develop. The lack of studies means no one can say definitively why mj smokers don't get lung cancer from it.

Smoke in the lungs does decrease lung function, no matter what type of smoke it is. It affects the ability of the alveoli to transfer oxygen to the blood stream. It's been measured. You've reduced it through your use of a vaporizer, but that doesn't mean that's the way the majority of the population uses the drug. More study is needed.

[Qwerty1942]

Come back when you can find a death that mj smoke is responsible for.

[mcheddadi]

I think it's fail, and I think people that take it are fail and that if they are win then they will become fail because thats what history has proven us.

every light drug use leads to fail and most of the time there is no light use , it's only MASSIVE AMOUNTS FTL.

I think alcohol is fail too. I only dring water and breath air. Yay for me!

oh yeah, I also think that if you take it you are fail

[Qwerty1942]

oh yeah, I also think that if you take it you are fail

good thing I dont care what you think then

[mcheddadi]

good thing I dont care what you think then

but seriously, smoke = breathing problems and money wasted.

and marijuana makes you forget lots of stuff + all that jazz.

[Qwerty1942]

hopefully itll make me forget your posts

[mcheddadi]

hopefully itll make me forget your posts