Anyone Up For Some Civil Disobedience?

[Kalok]

Hippie wannabe! Pothead!



cops are ***holes, old men at the door usually aren't, if you want something to change take it up with someone that matters.

But hey if harassing old folks at walmart is the only thing that distracts you from your boring, lonely, celibate life than by all means do it.

Cops are "***holes" because they keep you from doing your stupid **** endangering other people.

I never said that I hassled "old men at the door" of Walmart.....If you *INFERRED* that it's on you. Maybe if you laid off of the bong long enough you might just be able to comprehend what you read.

Celebate? ROFL... How many kids you got?

[M3Racer]

Cops are "***holes" because they keep you from doing your stupid **** endangering other people.

I never said that I hassled "old men at the door" of Walmart.....If you *INFERRED* that it's on you. Maybe if you laid off of the bong long enough you might just be able to comprehend what you read.

Celebate? ROFL... How many kids you got?

ROFL.... This from a hippie-wannabe pothead. Stick to hiding from "Johnny Law". Which one of us is it that cries about the laws and hassles the police? It's sure not me.

As usual, if you can't attack the message, attack the messenger.

[Kalok]

Your point? Of course I am going to respond back if responded to.

[Kalok]

Oh noes!! Someone gave me a mad emoticon!!...

[DriftingJesus]

[Kalok]

I'd offer you a hug to help with your anger iissue, but there's no hug emoticon.

[scotttak]

Will you keep saying that when they check your "papers" just traveling from one state to another? Oh wait. They already do in airports.

Will you say that when they start putting you in separate locations "for your protection"?

The scary part about the movie "The Minority Report" is that the government would do just what they do in the movie, if it were possible. All "in the name of protecting the public" of course.

yes, because getting one's receipt checked at costco is just another government conspiracy to control the public.

[Kalok]

yes, because getting one's receipt checked at costco is just another government conspiracy to control the public.

I never said that. If you inferred that's what I said, that's on you.

I SPECIFICALLY stated that it was the store treating all of their customers like thieves.

[scotttak]

Bringing up a Ben Franklin quote over receipt checks?

The IQ of this forum just dropped quite a few points tonight.

your reply

You, sir, fail at reading comprehension and seeing the larger picture.

Our freedoms are slowly being eroded and we are, ever increasingly, being more and more monitored by others as a part of daily life. They claim it is for our own good and the safety of everyone involved. Someone else said something similar. His name was Adolph Hitler.

The Brits have it even worse than we do. They have "big brother" cameras on the major streets of their larger cities "to deter crime".

Where does it end?

i don't know, to me that seems to strongly imply that you are saying receipt checking is going to somehow lead to a totalitarian state since you refered to Hitler and Big Brother.

...The scary part about the movie "The Minority Report" is that the government would do just what they do in the movie, if it were possible. All "in the name of protecting the public" of course.

of course treating people like theives even though they are not is going to lead to something like this, but a receipt check is nothing. agreed, following people around inside a store because they fit the description of a thief is wrong, but this guy in the story refused to let someone check his reciept. and besides, most stores are privately owned, so they could search you if they want, but they can't detain you. don't worry about a store checking your reciept, it's no biggie. let's worry about the new black box technology that the car companies are thinking of implementing.

[Kalok]

your reply

i don't know, to me that seems to strongly imply that you are saying receipt checking is going to somehow lead to a totalitarian state since you refered to Hitler and Big Brother.

As I stated....YOUR inference is your own.

The fact is that if you LET someone trample over your civil liberties and freedoms they will. Then when those are gone you have nobody to blame but yourself.

[scotttak]

counter-post

well this is my counter-post to your counter-post. if you say counter-post in your head repeatedly, it starts sounding funny. just thought you should know.

[scotttak]

half of what people say is what they imply.

i'm pretty sure that most of the people who read your posts will infer that you are talking like a conspiracy theorist.

[Kalok]

half of what people say is what they imply.

i'm pretty sure that most of the people who read your posts will infer that you are talking like a conspiracy theorist.

Then they infer incorrectly, and that is on them. Were I one, I would say that I am.

Point of fact is, you're also calling Hitman one as well since he is of the same opinion that I am about the whole thing.

[Kalok]

yeah because 2 people can't be wrong

Doesn't mean we're not right either.

Ever heard of warrantless wire-taps? They're legal now. Ever heard of "John Doe" records subpoenas? They're legal now. No longer do you have to be PROVEN to be guilty of something before that can get your records or listen in on your phone calls LEGALLY. But, hey, it keeps us safe from the terrorists....

If you let "someone", whether it be a corporation or a government..........

You know what? Nevermind. It's not worth it anymore. When you wake up and all of a sudden there are cameras everywhere and tracking of everything, like they're instituting in England, you will be the first one crying that "your rights are being infringed upon" nut by then it will be too late.

[OriginalWheelman]

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

[scotttak]

...Point of fact is, you're also calling Hitman one as well since he is of the same opinion that I am about the whole thing.

you both share the opinion that having your reciept checked is wrong, but i don't believe azhitman believes that having your reciept checked is a step towards 1984. hitman didn't take it past being the stores fault and kept his argument aimed at the stores. you did too, but then you started talking about minority report and all this stuff about how it was similar to reciept checking. however, i think most people will agree that it is in no way similar to big brother type stuff because:1. it's the store that's implementing it, not the government 2. you cannot be forced to stay there, as that would be against the law3. they can refuse service if you don't follow the rules or you can stop shopping there if you don't like it.

maybe in actuallity you are denying that you are a conspiracy theorist because if you do admit it on the internet, the government will read it and start wire tapping your house. however, this is mere speculation. a "what if" if you will.

[Kalok]

why did he say that? and during what event in history?

Nothing big. Just this tinly little event called The American Revolution.

[Alfador]

I dont know but I made a tinfoil hat "so the man can't keep me down."

You're all a bunch of fools. I am mean to people in stores because I obviously had a bad childhood and I take my insecurities out on others. Didn't they spew that **** at you folks int he 3rd grade? If they didn't consider yourself educated.

[sensibleS13driver]

That phrase was in a letter in 1759, the actual wording is unknown.

The closest guess is "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[Kalok]

I dont know but I made a tinfoil hat "so the man can't keep me down."

You're all a bunch of fools. I am mean to people in stores because I obviously had a bad childhood and I take my insecurities out on others. Didn't they spew that **** at you folks int he 3rd grade? If they didn't consider yourself educated.

We're fools because we're honest, hard working people that don't like being treated like criminals?

I can live with that.

[Kalok]

I don't think this receipt issue comes close to the American Revolution. Just my opinion though.

The American Revolution started over "Just a little tax."

[Alfador]

That phrase was in a letter in 1759, the actual wording is unknown.

The closest guess is "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Okay, so by owning a home I don't deserve one because I'm giving in to my local property laws? Even though its so the crazy man next door doesn't breed loose rotweilers next door that might eat my face off? Aw **** I guess I don't deserve my freedoms, and I guess I deserve the crazy guy's dogs that got taken away to maul me. Well that sucks. Nice find their chief.

The American Revolution started over "Just a little tax."

WRONG. It started over a multitude of infringements upon the rights that the denizens of the colonies claimed to be their owns, which ranged from quartering troops to taxes to the british agreement not to allow people to settle past the appalachians. Only 4th graders get taught that boston tea party "it was all about tax" crap.

[scotttak]

and also, last time i checked, costco can't make laws.

[DriftingJesus]

Operation Exit Strategy

Walmart greeter: hello sir, may I check your reciept?Freedom fighter: no **** you!WG: Why not sir?FF: because I'm fighting for my freedoms you neocon pig!!!!

[audtatious]

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

^^^^He never said it.

[audtatious]

yeah because 2 people can't be wrong

PostWhore much?

[Cold_Zero]

Operation Exit Strategy

Walmart greeter: hello sir, may I check your reciept?Freedom fighter: no **** you!WG: Why not sir?FF: because I'm fighting for my freedoms you neocon pig!!!!

I always envisioned the freedom fighter being the necon, not the other way around. *shrug*

[sensibleS13driver]

^^^^He never said it.

That phrase was in a letter in 1759, the actual wording is unknown.

The closest guess is "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[audtatious]

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) which was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement here includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1759 document, which uses an archaic form of "s": "Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by the name of Richard Jackson is the primary author of the book. " "

While this "issue" is constantly changing I doubt Franklin wrote it as he was the first head of the "secret service" for the most part.

This goes over it as wellhttp://michellemalkin.com/archives/004368.htm

[StrangeLove]

Yes, for you and your creed feel you know better and need to implement change based off what _you_ know is true to "help the common folk because they don't know any better (eg: stupid)". Anti-Govt, Anti-establishment and Anti-authority. Unless it is your views of course, then you feel justified in forced implementation for the "common good".

It's the standard hypocritical positioning I see from those who know everything.

First of all, common people are stupid. Its been that way since civilization began. Why do you think Socrates and Plato were so against democracy? Food and Circuses say the romans, thats all the common person cares about. Its still the same way today, beer and football! Hells yes!

Forced implementation? I think not. People should be left to live their own lives as long as their actions do not encroach on other people. Want to smoke pot in your house? Thats fine. Want to go drive somewhere afterwards on a public road? Definitely a No...

i'm not anti-government, anti-establishment, anti-authority. I'm just pro freedom. I'd like to see America the way it was intended to be, the way our founding fathers wanted. Its the post WW2 Era America that I have a problem, the one you support.

I don't know everything, nor do I pretend to know everything. However, I do know quite abit more than the average person? Why? I make sure I am continuely educating myself, whether its in class or in my free time. I make it a priority to expand my knowledge whenever possible, and I feel that sets me above the average person...

Do I think my opinions are correct? Yes I do, thats why its an opinion. Should other people listen and conform to what I think. No, but it would be nice.