Americans, this is sad....

[VigorousZX]

I stopped watching TV these last 5 years and when I watch it sometimes, I get disgusted by all the corporate advertisers that sell nutrient void food that is processed and laced with unnatural substances. What angers me the most is how they have the audacity to put families or children in the ads and promote the food as healthy.

Now a days many people are getting diabetes to the point that it becomes genetic and passed on to their children... I dont know if that families linage will forever have this disease but surely all the toxins that the FDA allows for private interest, is not in the favor of humans.
http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Non ... 00552.html

[AppleBonker]

Doctors have resorted to using averages. Well, your BMI is on the upper end of average, but it's still in the average range. Well, the problem is that the average has been increasing over the years! Yeah, you're a man with a BMI of 25!!! Yeah, that's in the "average", but it's still overweight!

For the love of everything holy please do not ever use BMI as an indicator of health. It is such a pointless and inaccurate measurement...

[Jesda]

Weight and physical appearance is typically an indicator of how you feel about yourself.

With younger people, I tend to agree. Over 30, the body naturally slows down and people get caught up with families, careers, etc. Its no longer as indicative of mental/emotional health or other issues.

[Bubba1]

Joel, aren't we all judgmental though? I know I certainly judge and stereotype everyone I see. I'm pretty sure it's impossible not to. However, I strive to not let that affect how I treat them or interact with them. To be honest, I have no idea what anyone has gone through in their life, so I don't know that I would be any different from them if facing the challenges they have dealt with. All I know and understand is my own very specific set of experiences, so what molds anyone else is completely foreign to me (which is why I treat everyone the same, regardless of my initial judgments/stereotypes).

And, I will certainly agree that there is a lot more to being healthy than just maintaining body weight. However, with the wealth of obesity-related health issues facing this nation, you have to admit that it is a legitimate concern. I may be a huge a** (and I'll readily admit it), but I don't like seeing anyone die or suffer. If the nation could deal with the obesity problem, I think we'd all be happier. Not to mention a lot of good people would live longer lives which is honestly my only interest.

No argument that as humans, we are all judgemental. And there is nothing wrong with that. But what one does with that information, like sharing it on a national forum, can be hurtful. It did not appear the women in the tiny pics PMQ posted became mobidly obese, just bigger than they were younger. How and why they got that way we can only speculate at best. A couple of them might have been pregnant or had some sort of physical ailment that PMQ brushes off as "excuses") .

I also agree with you that obesity is an issue that can potentially shorten lives. Same goes for too much smoking, drinking, reading Nala advice threads, etc. Some folks have the genetic predisposition to stay thin, or not develop lung cancer from smoking, or have the will power to excercise restraint when it comes to portion control, diet, and excercise. For many others, it's just not so easy to do that, for whatever reason. Just because weight loss comes easy to PMQ does not mean it's easy for everyone. Everyone has their own circumstances. And living in an indulgent society (with such amazing food choices) as ours does not help matters. PMQ asked why getting bigger happens to women? The answer is there are many many reasons, and thankfully we are not a country of PMQ's.

[Jesda]

It did not appear the women in the tiny pics PMQ posted became mobidly obese, just bigger than they were younger.

Click on the pic to zoom in and look again.

[AppleBonker]

A couple of them might have been pregnant or had some sort of physical ailment that PMQ brushes off as "excuses"

But you have to admit that for the most part (at least in the US) the obesity/overweight epidemic is due to over-indulgence. While I cannot argue that some people have legitimate health issues that really devastate their ability to remain thin, this is definitely not the norm.

reading Nala advice threads

Given the source, I should've expected this. But it blind-sided me and I ended up laughing. Hard.

[Kompresshun]

With younger people, I tend to agree. Over 30, the body naturally slows down and people get caught up with families, careers, etc. Its no longer as indicative of mental/emotional health or other issues.

Agreed, I don't eat more because i'm depressed or angry. When me and my wife got married I weighed 209lbs, now 3 1/2 yrs later I weigh 275lbs. Getting married, having kids, working, and life in general add a whole new list of priorities as you get older. I used to mountain bike, swim, work out and now i'm lucky if we can walk a mile a week with the baby in the stroller. Now the funny thing is, I actually intake the same and sometimes less amount of food that I did before I was married. Yes I could probably squeeze in some more time to maybe go to the gym, or get up and go for a jog in the morning but when you have a full schedule as it is, it's very easy to just put it off.

[Bubba1]

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Weight and physical appearance is typically an indicator of how you feel about yourself.

!

BZZZZT. Says who? You speak only for yourself.

[Bubba1]

With younger people, I tend to agree. Over 30, the body naturally slows down and people get caught up with families, careers, etc. Its no longer as indicative of mental/emotional health or other issues.

Agreed, I don't eat more because i'm depressed or angry. When me and my wife got married I weighed 209lbs, now 3 1/2 yrs later I weigh 275lbs. Getting married, having kids, working, and life in general add a whole new list of priorities as you get older. I used to mountain bike, swim, work out and now i'm lucky if we can walk a mile a week with the baby in the stroller. Now the funny thing is, I actually intake the same and sometimes less amount of food that I did before I was married. Yes I could probably squeeze in some more time to maybe go to the gym, or get up and go for a jog in the morning but when you have a full schedule as it is, it's very easy to just put it off.

Right. a full schedule is a common cause. But to PMQ, who has not experienced many of these things (marriage+ kids+ work+home ownership), he considers them "excuses". That's wrong.

[Bubba1]

[quote="AppleBonker]
Given the source, I should've expected this. But it blind-sided me and I ended up laughing. Hard.[/quote]

Mission accomplished.

[Dattebayo]

I'm sure his parents make plenty of excuses to explain him away, too.

[Bubba1]

I'm sure his parents make plenty of excuses to explain him away, too.

[Bubba1]

[But you have to admit that for the most part (at least in the US) the obesity/overweight epidemic is due to over-indulgence. While I cannot argue that some people have legitimate health issues that really devastate their ability to remain thin, this is definitely not the norm.

Yes and no. While I agree many are over indulgent when it comes to eating (I'm not exception when it comes to Pat's Steaks....burp), I think the term "over-indulgence" is too general. There are countless reasons behind why someone is self indulgent, many of which are beyond simple will power, like genetic predisposition or environment.

[AppleBonker]

Sure, but one with enough will-power can overcome those other factors, no? There is a distinct difference between calling lack of will-power the problem and calling strong will-power the answer (at least in my crazy mind anyway).

[Kompresshun]

Right. a full schedule is a common cause. But to PMQ, who has not experienced many of these things (marriage+ kids+ work+home ownership), he considers them "excuses". That's wrong.

Exactly, don't try to assume that everyone that is fat is just a lazy a** and doesn't do anything but eat. I get a lot of exercise every single day just with work, maintaining a home, and keeping up with my child but it's not enough to drop a considerable amount of weight. You can stand around and point fingers and make observations all you'd like, but you still don't know the true reason why most of those people are that way.

[Jesda]

Captain Save-A-Hos up in this thread.

[AppleBonker]

Right. a full schedule is a common cause. But to PMQ, who has not experienced many of these things (marriage+ kids+ work+home ownership), he considers them "excuses". That's wrong.

Exactly, don't try to assume that everyone that is fat is just a lazy a** and doesn't do anything but eat. I get a lot of exercise every single day just with work, maintaining a home, and keeping up with my child but it's not enough to drop a considerable amount of weight. You can stand around and point fingers and make observations all you'd like, but you still don't know the true reason why most of those people are that way.

I don't know that it comes down to being lazy, but it is still a choice. Follow me for a second. You could easily choose to abandon your family and get into better shape. It is a choice that can be made. Granted, most of us would think of you as a terrible person for making that decision, but it is possible. While the label of "excuse" is probably inaccurate, the word choice probably fits. I feel you have your priorities in line (family/work should probably come first). As I said in a previous post, I don't have the wife/kids deal, so I have NO idea how my life may change in the future or how difficult it may become to remain "in shape".

[tigersharkdude]

People get fat, so what? People in Somalia would call that success.

epic post my friend

[Jesda]

Having kids is also a choice, unless she raped you.

[tigersharkdude]

Im going to put my personal experience in this thread.

As a younger person, I had a lot of ****ed up things happen in my life, diagnosed with rare terminal disorder, dad passed away when 12, brother passed when 14. Had 5 surgeries, etc, etc (medical problems). Never had much of a social life because of this as well as I cant play any kind of contact sports, so when I was young I was a couch potato and ate a lot. I have and always will say thats why I am a bigger person.

Now as I am getting older though, I try not to let my "problems" hold me back, and have come to the realization that I need to lose some weight. I have the will power, so hopefully I will be able to meet my goal of getting down to around 220

[rc1honda]

I willing to bet all of the before pictures are when the girls were single. And all the after pictures are after a few years of marrige. Women and men get comfortable when the find someone and settle down. No need to impress anyone anymore or stand out from the crowd.

Now this is ok if your not superfical and love your partner regurdless. But there comes a point at least for me when i would ask her if she even cares how she looks anymore. I lift and workout regularly and try to look good and present my self well. Granted i am single but I would still only date women wo have the same kinda of attidtude. I mean there is a difference between having standards and being superfical.

I dont think putting on extra weight after marrige or childbirth is a big deal at all. A extra 20 or 30 pounds is nothing when you love the person. But after 50, 60, 70lbs is just out of the question. Then you start to wonder if the person your with even cares about you or what you like anymore. I mean i didn't marry a fat slob so why would i stay with one?

[Kompresshun]

I don't know that it comes down to being lazy, but it is still a choice. Follow me for a second. You could easily choose to abandon your family and get into better shape. It is a choice that can be made. Granted, most of us would think of you as a terrible person for making that decision, but it is possible. While the label of "excuse" is probably inaccurate, the word choice probably fits. I feel you have your priorities in line (family/work should probably come first). As I said in a previous post, I don't have the wife/kids deal, so I have NO idea how my life may change in the future or how difficult it may become to remain "in shape".

Well put, I don't disagree with you one bit there. I could also just as easily spend less time with my family in order to create time for me to workout and exercise, as you said it is a choice that can be made. I just choose to spend my time as I do because I love my family and I love what I do for a living. Everyones priorities are different, whether you're married and have children or not so I don't blame a totally different person in the same situation for working out everyday and being in shape.

Of course I think spending time together with your wife and kids is important, but I don't care if somebody else takes a different approach to the way they handle their family or just life in general. We live in a free country, and there are some things I disagree with but I don't hate anybody for the way they do something, nor do I try to force my opinions upon them.

[Captain Slow]

I'm eating McDonald's right now.

[PoorManQ45]

I'm eating McDonald's right now.

see, there's nothing wrong with that at all. it's all about what you do afterwards.

[Jesda]

I'm eating McDonald's right now.

see, there's nothing wrong with that at all. it's all about what you do afterwards.

I usually poop afterwards.

[tigersharkdude]

I usually poop afterwards.

this

[Dattebayo]

see, there's nothing wrong with that at all. it's all about what you do afterwards.

We can't all follow your example of losing weight by furious masturbatlon.

[AppleBonker]

I usually poop afterwards.

I don't eat fast food often. But when I do, this ^ is the result. I poo. Furiously.

Edit: Dave, you stole my word... Bastard.

[Alfador]

Let's all blame it on Corn Syrup AKA Corn Sugar, because it's easier than blaming ourselves. Scientific evidence be damned.

[alms24sebring]

Im ganna stay out of this conversation but I just wanna say I havent seen Food Inc but I hear alot of things from it. And I guess the great show of Man vs Food doesnt help the argument. Thats the 2nd skinniest fatboy Ive ever seen (behind Kobiochi).

Thanks for ur time.. carry on