Am I missing something? Shooting of 17 yr. old in Florida

[bigbadberry3]

In every fight, you must take the mentality that you may die.

[audtatious]

I've been in fist fights where I was not worried about getting killed. What a great new world it is.

[TTkickedin]

^ That's what I'm thinking. If they let this guy walk, that will be unF*ckingreal.

The point is, the guy had a direct order from the 911 operator NOT to chase the kid. But he made the poor decision and just did anyway. He get's punched and his head smacked up, and then the kid gets shot.

What happens when you're a kid and your mom tells you not to touch the hot stove, but you do? You get BURNED. That's how life is, and given the evidence we have as of right now, that's how it should BE. Not to mention, the kid was unarmed. he would not have enough time to kill the guy with just his bare fists. Bumps cuts and bruises vs loss of life? Come on now.

Does anyone smell another "Casey Anthony" trial, IF any? (Would show how F*cked up the courts system in Florida is.)

I demand the judicial system in Florida to go under full federal review.

[AppleBonker]

The point is, the guy had a direct order from the 911 operator NOT to chase the kid. But he made the poor decision and just did anyway. He get's punched and his head smacked up, and then the kid gets shot.

And you know this how? Is it possible that he turned away and the kid came back after him? Have we heard any facts about what happened in the time between when the operator told him not to pursue and when Trayvon got shot? I'm pretty sure all I've heard is speculation.

Not to mention, the kid was unarmed. he would not have enough time to kill the guy with just his bare fists. Bumps cuts and bruises vs loss of life? Come on now.

Again, some reports say he went for Zimmerman's firearm. If he had Zimmerman on the ground (as at least one witness claims) and was going for his handgun, that is a HIGHLY dangerous situation. Again, I said if here. I don't know, and I don't think you do either. Since I don't know for sure, I'm certainly not ready to condemn Zimmerman yet. I don't know how anyone can be without having all of the facts.

Does anyone smell another "Casey Anthony" trial, IF any? (Would show how F*cked up the courts system in Florida is.).

In her case it appears that the facts did not support murder. They may not in this case either. Our court system in this country requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If that's effed, I'd hate to see what we would call the alternative.

[TTkickedin]

I did forget the famous three letter phrase IMO.

So your post is IYO.

My opinion, he's guilty. Your's you don't know. Cool.

[AppleBonker]

Absolutely. But forgive those of us who think your opinion in nonsensical as it appears to be based on speculation rather than facts.

[300ZXttZMAN]

If the broadcast station is simply playing the 911 recording, it doesn't matter where its coming from. Its not like Fox News overdubbed it with what they want to tell.

Exactly.

[snwbrdr435]

The point is, the guy had a direct order from the 911 operator NOT to chase the kid. But he made the poor decision and just did anyway. He get's punched and his head smacked up, and then the kid gets shot.

911 operators don't give orders

We don't need you for that

Is what was said

[jbracy7]

al sharpton needs to get his arse off tv and the radio making things worse.in two weeks. They will be on to the next fad,and the family will still be greaving

[Jesda]

I'll answer the last part first. This isn't an argument. You turned it to be that way once you decided to call me a retard and say that I have no reading comprehension. Getting pissed was your mistake...It's the internet, chill out.

I called you a retard because you jumped to conclusions and made boneheaded assumptions, engaging in an argument with me about claims I never made, contended, or believed in.

And it seems you've made similar assumptions about a case where the facts are still being investigated.

/yourself

[Razi]

Puts words in people's mouths, then tells them to chill out.
The logic is solid.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Lets all have some cheez-its and beer for a minute...

...I'm serious. You'll all feel better, I promise. Then let's reconvene with level heads. Most everyone agrees with each other thus far anyway, just some people are "leaning" to one side more than another.

Also, I was wondering how long it would be before there was a bizarro KKK (you know, polar opposite). It would appear the modern Black Panthers have taken that role. The bounty really isn't helping matters.

Also, that police department (while they already look bad for reasons already mentioned... not prepared to deal with something like this) would really look awful if the dude fled the country and was later found to be guilty somehow.

[Jesda]

Until we have all the facts...

[numbnuts240]

Most everyone agrees with each other thus far anyway, just some people are "leaning" to one side more than another.

whatever happened to civil debates where everyone was allowed to have their own opinions on a subject without attacking each other like school children? you guys took this one way too far.

[hannibal]

did you guys know that the darkie was, at the time, suspended from school because he was found to be in possession of a plastic baggie that had leftover bits of pot in it? quick, someone call norml and their opponents. let's get everyone involved.

Please... go back to the kiddie table...

[numbnuts240]

obviously you missed the fact that i was trying to lighten things up a bit in here. everybody is so damned grumpy in here.

[Dattebayo]

I've been in fist fights where I was not worried about getting killed. What a great new world it is.

Isn't it all wonderful how conjecture takes the place of proof beyond a reasonable doubt in public opinion?

Jordan, you can't assume that the kid was innocent just because he was unarmed, just like you can't assume the guy was guilty of murder just because he had a gun. All you have is a bunch of hearsay and your opinion, which is worth nothing when the system runs on facts alone. YOU go back to the kiddie table.

[TTkickedin]

I'll answer the last part first. This isn't an argument. You turned it to be that way once you decided to call me a retard and say that I have no reading comprehension. Getting pissed was your mistake...It's the internet, chill out.

I called you a retard because you jumped to conclusions and made boneheaded assumptions, engaging in an argument with me about claims I never made, contended, or believed in.

And it seems you've made similar assumptions about a case where the facts are still being investigated.

/yourself

Yet you still have yet to explain what you meant by posting that stereotypical picture. Prove me wrong if you're saying I'm putting words in your mouth. Chances are high that you're bullshitting.

And furthermore, assumptions can't be made now? What I said was an educated guess given what we've been provided with. My hypothesis on the situation. If i want to think that somebody is guilty, I'll say it. If i'm proved wrong, then whatever I'll move on. It's like a NFL game, you want somebody to win but you don't know who will. And there's always an audience with theirsupported 'team'. Assumptions.

"I called you a retard because you jumped to conclusions and made boneheaded assumptions"

^ I hope you don't watch sports, or bet on anything. Retard.

[Dattebayo]

My hypothesis on the situation.

Get your Ps and Qs in order before you start throwing around words like that.

[numbnuts240]

My hypothesis on the situation.

Get your Ps and Qs in order before you start throwing around words like that.

actually he DID use the word correctly.

[Dattebayo]

But its not logical. This was my point. It's only opinion!

[TTkickedin]

^ And your opinion, about my view, is that it's not logical [sic] (illogical)....see how it kinda goes around like that? In the end, it's my hypothesis on the situation, nothing more or less.


If you would rather not make a hypothesis, nobody is forcing you to! But don't tell me that I'm not allowed to make a hypothesis because you're opinion is that it's illogical, your opinion has no more weight than anyone elses does. This is a public forum, and I have the priviledge in writing all over it as long as I stick to the rules, which I believe I'm also doing correctly.

Here's another hypothesis, Jesda's a racist due to posting a stereotypical picture up, and not saying why. Leads me to believe, Jesda is a racist.

LOL Jesda I really don't care what you are since you're not me. I'm not upset. Be stereotypical if you want, I just hope you're aware of how posting a controversial picture, in the manner you did, can make people react.

Racial conversations are a touchy subject, I still have yet to figure out what you really meant behind that picture, but generally posting the promotion of a stereotype is a bad idea and usually ends up in a heated discussion as it already has. I'd like this conversation to stay on track and this tangent finished, so If we're done with it, cool.

[numbnuts240]

i think what he was implying by posting that picture was how the media picks certain images to draw a certain reaction and emotion from the viewers. in the case of zimmerman, they don't broadcast a vibrant, well dressed man, but a sad looking mug shot. as with trayvon, they don't show his myspace pics dressing sloppily and sucking in his lower lip in an attempt to look mean and hard, instead they chose his middle school yearly photo where he's smiling big and wearing nice clothing.

now, do any of these photos paint the true picture as to who both were as people? maybe, maybe not, but the majority of the audience seeing them will paint their own pictures of who these two people were/are based on the visual cues presented.

[hannibal]

^ That's nothing new and doesn't surprise me one bit.

Dave, this is not a court of law. We are discussing a case which none of us have inside info on. How do you remove conjecture from public opinion?

On that note, you've contributed nothing to this topic, other than fulfilling some sort of grudge against me. Chill-lax, change your tampon, and I'll catch you later.

[audtatious]

We are having a fight in this forum....anyone feel they will get murdered?

lol

[bigbadberry3]

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/S ... 35535.html

Not stating anything just some more food for thought. I mean, paramedics could of wiped him down.

[Jesda]

Yet you still have yet to explain what you meant by posting that stereotypical picture. Prove me wrong if you're saying I'm putting words in your mouth. Chances are high that you're bullshitting.

And furthermore, assumptions can't be made now? What I said was an educated guess given what we've been provided with. My hypothesis on the situation. If i want to think that somebody is guilty, I'll say it. If i'm proved wrong, then whatever I'll move on. It's like a NFL game, you want somebody to win but you don't know who will. And there's always an audience with theirsupported 'team'. Assumptions.

"I called you a retard because you jumped to conclusions and made boneheaded assumptions"

^ I hope you don't watch sports, or bet on anything. Retard.

You CANNOT be serious. You had an entire argument by yourself, against me, with statements I never made, nor believed in. You went off on an unrelated tangent while I was specifically criticizing the media for using imagery to portray good and evil, shaping public opinion before all of the facts were available.

Just to be crystal clear, so I don't have to repeat myself again:
I called you a retard because you're a knee-jerk reactionary who jumps to conclusions and fills in your own blanks, not for any opinion you have on the case.




Most importantly, I sincerely apologize for calling you a retard. I give time and money to local/regional activities programs for mentally disabled children and young adults. By calling you a retard I insulted all of them by associating them with you. They deserve better than that.

[snwbrdr435]

IB4TL

[leesredgt]

Most importantly, I sincerely apologize for calling you a retard. I give time and money to local/regional activities programs for mentally disabled children and young adults. By calling you a retard I insulted all of them by associating them with you. They deserve better than that.

IB4TL

[TTkickedin]

*edited* not worth my time. s***.

Waiting for facts to come out about the case. until then Jesda you can put the time and money you spend on retards into F*cking yourself.