450whp on 93 octane AMS KA24DET

[Chris@AMS]

Had my car on the dyno a little bit this weekend. Managed to squeeze some good numbers out of it.

All of these runs were done on about 20-21 psi of boost and 93 octane straight from the pump.

We are still doing some more testing to see If we can squeeze some more hp out of the car. These are just some results that I am proud of at the moment.



Whoever says that torque is what makes your car fast, hasn't driven a car with horsepower.

I should be able to release some more details about the setup soon.

[WDRacing]

Whoever says that torque is what makes your car fast, hasn't driven a car with horsepower.

I should be able to release some more details about the setup soon.

Um...no torque = slow. I've driven both and will take low end torque over high end rpm any day all day.

Are those numbers with stock cams?

[S13FX]

Yep yep Horsepower is nice, but simple physics proves that torque is always going to be my number 1 choice. Not bad numbers however, especially if they were achieved on stock cams.

[Chris@AMS]

*sigh* -rolls eyes_
Modified by Chris@AMS at 11:56 AM 3/12/2007

[klattr1]

damn, im pretty sure i could tell it was a figure of speech what Chris said.

but if you want to take it literal, then you'll understand that sometimes it takes a compromise (losing some low to mid range) in order to gain TQ later on or for it not to drop off as soon at a higher RPM (which yields great RPM gains).

I can assure you that AMS compares every point in their powerbands whenever they do comparisions to see if the gains outweigh the losses if you know what i mean. yall act like they are trying to make it a Honda (which its still drastically different from). All they are trying to do it take the car to a different level, make it more efficient and yield an even fatter powerband.
Modified by klattr1 at 2:26 PM 3/12/2007

[WDRacing]

Meh...a figure of speech doesn't mean its not argueable. Honestly, I'm not all that impressed with 450WHP either. I'm not saying thats not a great achievement, I'm just saying for a guy who works for a speed shop it's not that impressive.

WD

[Craving4Boost]

450 hp to the ground is pretty impressive I'd say. Especially since this is on 93 pump gas. Last time I saw there wasn't anything special about the the appearence of Chris' car so the possibility of this happening to any average person's car is fun to think about.

But btw, what is the TQ?

[klattr1]

Yep yep Horsepower is nice, but simple physics proves...

Quote by Ron Burgundy: I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel towel out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am. You're just a woman with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science.


Modified by klattr1 at 2:42 PM 3/12/2007

[AZhitman]

Brian, you forget - IVAN'S car is the REALLY fast KA-T.

Chris, that thing's gotta be wicked fun to drive.

[WDRacing]

I didn't forget anything. Ivan's car is friggin sweet...I was simply saying there are others making the same amount of power on a completely stock KA24DE...

I'm not saying Chris' car isn't a bitchin ride either. I'm just voicing an opinion...not a group opinion, just mine. I'm not the kind of person who blindly plays follow the leader...

Cmon, everyone knows I call it like I see it.

WD

[frsh13]

Your running AEM EMS right? And is that with the GT32?

[klattr1]

Meh...a figure of speech doesn't mean its not argueable. Honestly, I'm not all that impressed with 450WHP either. I'm not saying thats not a great achievement, I'm just saying for a guy who works for a speed shop it's not that impressive.

WD

Cmon man, where's your sense of humor gone?

Sure 450whp isnt impressive when you compare it to AMS's 1000+whp EVO's, Ivan's 700+whp 240sx or John Force's Drag Car, but its pretty darn good power for the boost level (efficient) compared to most relative KA-T's out there...Especially on a build thats still streetable and subtle in many ways.

[StorminNorman]

Nice numbers. I wish my ride could put out that kind of power.

[StorminNorman]

Since you guys seem to have experience whats the most you have done or heard of someone milling there head? Any input would be great.

[AZhitman]

Ain't no stock block KA's running 450 hp for very long.

This makes me want to dyno mine, BADLY!

[Chris@AMS]

Meh...a figure of speech doesn't mean its not argueable. Honestly, I'm not all that impressed with 450WHP either. I'm not saying thats not a great achievement, I'm just saying for a guy who works for a speed shop it's not that impressive.

WD

Seriously? Who else is making 450whp on 93oct? How else is this thing going to make any more hp?

Any other type of gas, sure. Until then line up whatever ka you got on 93oct and we will see whats up

[Chris@AMS]

I didn't forget anything. Ivan's car is friggin sweet...I was simply saying there are others making the same amount of power on a completely stock KA24DE...

I'm not saying Chris' car isn't a bitchin ride either. I'm just voicing an opinion...not a group opinion, just mine. I'm not the kind of person who blindly plays follow the leader...

Cmon, everyone knows I call it like I see it.

WD

Same power on pump gas???? How long did that motor last btw?

[Chris@AMS]

Your running AEM EMS right? And is that with the GT32?

This is with the GT33 actually Yes, AEM EMS.

[StorminNorman]

[QUOTE=WDRacing]I didn't forget anything. Ivan's car is friggin sweet...I was simply saying there are others making the same amount of power on a completely stock KA24DE...

If someones making those numbers on a stock ka i'd like to now how

[WDRacing]

My bad, I didn't realize I had to get on the AMS horse to be cool....

I'll have whatever opinion I want to, this is a public forum. Just because I'm not trailing behind the AMS crew picking up scraps doesn't make me any less cool...lol.

I said it was a nice ride Chris, and I've supported AMS fully even when everyone said you were over pricing everything. Don't get all pvssy hurt cause someone had a difference of opinion.

Ryan, I'll always have a sense of humor bro.

WD

[nissanfanatic]

^There are a couple stock block KAs that have been running 420whp for a while..

Low end torque torque is soo good.. Which is why formula 1 engines were making way more power per cubic inch than any top fuel dragster makes to date, for a longer time, and with ~3xx ft/lbs of torque..

And low end torque is the reason why trap speeds are so high..!! wait...... If thats the case, why even bring the tow truck out to pick up your car, you can just drag race that...!!

AMS, I think you guys kick ***..!! 450whp on pump is awesome! Nobody here is doing any better, or has proven it... I'm glad you guys are keeping it real and not going all "Swap an LS1 into my lawn mower because I can't keep a KA together," on us.. ROCK ON!

BTW Chris, have you guys tried a tuning session on C-16 yet?
Modified by nissanfanatic at 12:19 PM 3/12/2007

[WDRacing]

I love torque, always have, always will. In fact, I'd swap in a diesel if the damn thing didn't weigh as much as the entire car...lol.

This thread isn't about my difference of opinion or whp being better then torque, its about Chris making damn good power in his S13. I just happen to voice an opinion that went against the grain, isn't the first time and won't be the last.

I'm sorry to take away from your thread Chris, it wasn't my intent. I'll buy you a lap dance if I'm ever up in Chicago

[Chris@AMS]

My bad, I didn't realize I had to get on the AMS horse to be cool....

I'll have whatever opinion I want to, this is a public forum. Just because I'm not trailing behind the AMS crew picking up scraps doesn't make me any less cool...lol.

I said it was a nice ride Chris, and I've supported AMS fully even when everyone said you were over pricing everything. Don't get all pvssy hurt cause someone had a difference of opinion.

WD

WD, I am not 'pvssy' hurt.

However, I am confused at how you can brush off 450whp on pump gas like its a common setup. What would serve as an exemplary setup for you to get excited about? 450wtq??? These are 4 cylinders, not big blocks. I am involved in dyno testing 4 cylinder cars all day and where I come from 450whp is nothing to sneeze at. I don't know what caliber of cars that you are coming from, this may not seem like much to you.

I REALLY appreciate your support WD, I don't really care what you or anyone else thinks of my car. What I do care about is when you make negative comments or imply things about being on the AMS bandwagon. If you don't want to use our parts, that is fine, but I would appreciate it if you didn't bad mouth them in front of our other potential customers. As a moderator, alot of people look up to you, not only because of your position, but becasue of the great amount of knowledge that you bring to this KA board. YOU are one of the reasons that we are here. Becasue we sponsor the board, I would expect you to be a little bit less negative towards things that are NOT bad. If we slip up, make some bad product, or piss some people off, be sure to let us know.

[WDRacing]

WD, I am not 'pvssy' hurt. However, I am confused at how you can brush off 450whp on pump gas like its a common setup. What would serve as an exemplary setup for you to get excited about? 450wtq???

YES...lol.

What I do care about is when you make negative comments or imply things about being on the AMS bandwagon.

I didn't mean to sound as negative as things came across. My opinion in no way reflects on AMS selling shotty products or bad service.

[AZhitman]

Brian's just cranky because he's driving around in a damn Outlander these days.

I love torque too. In fact, I want the kind of torque that lifts one front tire.

Wish I could get my car up there for the tuning...

[nissanfanatic]

Either way, it looks like you made at least ~370wtq around 6300rpm.

A lot of torque is good...in combo with a lot of RPM..

Torque is only useful with angular speed in automotive applications.

[frsh13]

Tuning is the key to 450hp on a stock ka, most people who push those kind of numbers are running tuned ecu's, afc's, or maybe emanage. If you want to lay down 450 and not blow your motor up right away you gota get AEM EMS or Haltech and get it tuned by some people who really know what they are doing. Add a little fuel here, take some away here, add some more at this rpm and so on! Im sure Chris car has some serious hours on the dyno w/ an expert tuner.

[180sx]

Well 400+ is nice , but not for a performance shop. You guys have shiet like gt turbo's , stand alone ecu's, fabbing on site and tuning expirience up the *** vs average Joe running safc.

And is JEFF T.'s ka just a myth than or a lie ? http://filebox.vt.edu/users/je...d.wmvWell over 500whp. He even shot NOS afterwards that would of been well over 600whp if the run got recorded.

Cuz last i remamber he was stock block and run a cheap *** turbo kit and chipped sr ecu, wait and big ugly intake mani.Like a 700$kit, a price of Ams turbocharger. And he pumped you out by 100+ horses.Even his old stock block sr managed over 400 and thats a 2L. So i dunno, should anyone be impressed ? Seems that he is a bettter tuner than your shop. Well him and whoever helps him at SDR.To what i know SDR just fabbed his stuff, he tuned it himself.
Modified by 180sx at 10:41 PM 3/12/2007

[lrb_2000]

Well 400+ is nice , but not for a performance shop. You guys have shiet like gt turbo's , stand alone ecu's, fabbing on site and tuning expirience up the *** vs average Joe running safc.

And is JEFF T.'s ka just a myth than or a lie ? http://filebox.vt.edu/users/je...d.wmvWell over 500whp. He even shot NOS afterwards that would of been well over 600whp if the run got recorded.

Cuz last i remamber he was stock block and run a cheap *** turbo kit and chipped sr ecu, wait and big ugly intake mani.Like a 700$kit, a price of Ams turbocharger. And he pumped you out by 100+ horses.Even his old stock block sr managed over 400 and thats a 2L. So i dunno, should anyone be impressed ? Seems that he is a bettter tuner than your shop. Well him and whoever helps him at SDR.To what i know SDR just fabbed his stuff, he tuned it himself.

Modified by 180sx at 10:41 PM 3/12/2007

That obviously wasn't on pump gas though... you have to remember, he made 450whp on pump gas.. at 20psi.. that guy was pushing 30psi+ on something else.

[Craving4Boost]

Well 400+ is nice , but not for a performance shop. You guys have shiet like gt turbo's , stand alone ecu's, fabbing on site and tuning expirience up the *** vs average Joe running safc.

And is JEFF T.'s ka just a myth than or a lie ? http://filebox.vt.edu/users/je...d.wmvWell over 500whp. He even shot NOS afterwards that would of been well over 600whp if the run got recorded.

Cuz last i remamber he was stock block and run a cheap *** turbo kit and chipped sr ecu, wait and big ugly intake mani.Like a 700$kit, a price of Ams turbocharger. And he pumped you out by 100+ horses.Even his old stock block sr managed over 400 and thats a 2L. So i dunno, should anyone be impressed ? Seems that he is a bettter tuner than your shop. Well him and whoever helps him at SDR.To what i know SDR just fabbed his stuff, he tuned it himself.

Modified by 180sx at 10:41 PM 3/12/2007

I think you're missing the point. its 450whp on pump gas...not IN GENERAL. 450whp in general is nothing amazing. But on pump gas...that is an accomplishment indeed. Being stock block isn't really the point neither....although not much people do it.