450whp on 93 octane AMS KA24DET

[nissanfanatic]

Well 400+ is nice , but not for a performance shop. You guys have shiet like gt turbo's , stand alone ecu's, fabbing on site and tuning expirience up the *** vs average Joe running safc.

And is JEFF T.'s ka just a myth than or a lie ? http://filebox.vt.edu/users/je...d.wmvWell over 500whp. He even shot NOS afterwards that would of been well over 600whp if the run got recorded.

Cuz last i remamber he was stock block and run a cheap *** turbo kit and chipped sr ecu, wait and big ugly intake mani.Like a 700$kit, a price of Ams turbocharger. And he pumped you out by 100+ horses.Even his old stock block sr managed over 400 and thats a 2L. So i dunno, should anyone be impressed ? Seems that he is a bettter tuner than your shop. Well him and whoever helps him at SDR.To what i know SDR just fabbed his stuff, he tuned it himself.

Modified by 180sx at 10:41 PM 3/12/2007

So I guess this is as far as Chris is taking his car right..?? Or maybe he is just posting progress so people can see what each modification does as far as power increase/power band alteration..??

AMS has nothing to prove to you. They already have 1000whp+ cars...

[WDRacing]

Chris' car on meth injection will be an animal. Well, if he upgrades the turbo anyway. I'm thinking the GT32 is about maxed right there. But meth injection will allow for a more aggressive timing curve. So with a fresh tune based around the meth injection he could be over 500.

[Edub1]

I wish I got all the best stuff for 60% off. Hell, I'd have a stanad alone ECU too - bastard.

Seriously though, I think a stock KA would be short lived being pushed that hard on a regular basis regardless of how good the tune is.

Might I ask what your over all timing looks like compared to stock?

[9sec240]

The TQ figure you get from a chassis dyno chart is how much the ENGINE is producing. NOT the amount of TQ you see at the wheels.

Torque you see at the wheels determines how well you accelerate.

Gearing is what determins how much TQ you see at the wheels.

Low RPM TQ cant be geared down as much as high RPM TQ. With proper gearing, high rpm TQ will crush low RPM TQ in an acceleration contest.

HP is a measurement that relates to your ability to gear TQ down and multiply it.

HP always wins.

[Chris@AMS]

I'll answer a couple questions without quoting everyone.

#1 I am the tuner, I tuned, no one else did.

#2 I don't know what stock timing is. I have never seen a stock timing map.

#3 This is not the end for my car, this is simply a progress report.

[nissanfanatic]

#3 This is not the end for my car, this is simply a progress report.

hehe yea I know.. I forgot my sarcasm tags...[sarcasm][/sarcasm]

[AZhitman]

I know there's only 2 people in this thread who have ever owned anything with 450whp....

And I know there's only maybe a few people in this thread who could even HANDLE a 450whp S-chassis at full-boogie.

Call me a nutswinger, call me a suck-up, call me whatever: I'm not just mildly impressed, I'm in AWE.

Too much SuperStreet and GT4 has numbed people's brains to the reality of what 450whp really is.

[nissanfanatic]

^lol

And too much internet surfing..

[AZhitman]

...oops, sorry Corey. Add one to my estimates above.

[Riubens]

so true boss, so true

[Logan76]

Too much SuperStreet and GT4 has numbed people's brains to the reality of what 450whp really is.

BEST STATEMENT IVE HEARD IN A LONG TIME. People shrug off 450whp like its nothing, no big deal. Well I do care to inquire if they have ever driven or actually even rode in a 450hp car, Just a bit of bench racing ill say this 450hp car is probably an 11sec if not faster car. THATS FAST.

[nissanfanatic]

450whp in an S13+traction=10s..

[SeanC]

i agree with alot of people on this thread. 450 whp out of a ka is nothing new. chris can go to the pump at 76 and fill up and go lay these numbers down all day. no expensive race gas. his power is coming from pump gas. glad to see someone making well over 400 to the wheels on pump because that is the usual stopping point. another success story for tuning!

[WDRacing]

I know there's only 2 people in this thread who have ever owned anything with 450whp....

And I know there's only maybe a few people in this thread who could even HANDLE a 450whp S-chassis at full-boogie.

Call me a nutswinger, call me a suck-up, call me whatever: I'm not just mildly impressed, I'm in AWE.

Too much SuperStreet and GT4 has numbed people's brains to the reality of what 450whp really is.

More then two...Nutswinger...

[gaehrings13]

I was driving a s14 with a 1j swap with single turbo aem ems and some other work and it was around 427hp that car was sooooo strong and it didn't have traction at all. I would hit 1st gear wot and it would spin, hit 2nd it would fish tail, hit 3rd and it would go a little sideways than hit 4th and get some traction.

My friend was watching me and he **** his pants he didn't even want to get in the car with me. That car had awesome top end too. So like they said 400+ hp in a S chassis is a monster of a machine.

I would love to get my KA close to those numbers I would be very happy. Im running 9lbs right now and it feels awesome and im still automatic. I can't wait to see how it feels with the manual. I never drove a boosted ka with manual transmission yet. Lol so what am I gonna expect, a big difference? I sure hope so.

[fromdayone]

well I just put my damn motor together after blowing the #4 ring land on the intake side, yeah I know sh*tty tuning. My point is I went to the AMs website to go shopping, didn't buy anything, just to look around, and damn that was nice. The stuff they had on there was wicked! my sad 240 puts down about 300hp, depending on the day... anything in the 400hp range Kicks a** and anyone who talks like that isn't enough is a damn idiot, any nice clutch can kick the back out in any gear, I had an unsprung 4 puck you'ld get 5th to chirp, and that was normally aspirated. And they did it on pump gas to boot, hell yeah!

AMS, you guys rock. I've had a turbo KA from way back in the day when Chano got the Nsport prototype kit, yeah that long! Nice numbers and nice to see the KA love

[WDRacing]

If you have a good budget, you simply can't go wrong with AMS...as gay as it sounds, they're definitly "The One STop Shop".

As much trash as I talk with Chris and Ivan...what I do best...means nothing when it comes to them simply having the best products available on the market for the KAT period.

450 on 93oct aside...they're the best performance shop on the planet right now where the KA is concerned. Thats a bold statement, but its a true staement.

WD

[AZhitman]

Just look at my fuel system to see who's the baddest of the bad when it comes to putting together a KA-T.

Spend the extra few bucks, build it right, and the SR fanbois will rue the day they dropped half a liter of displacement for the sake of "JDM-ness".

[supernoob]

You guys should see what u could do with E-85, it does come out of a pump after all, also cheaper than pump gas. Plus im curious to see what other people can make on it. I put down 390hp on 18psi in stock motor on it.

[NateDogg]

Congrats, Chris, on a great achievement (so far).

I suppose this number is aided by a particular intake arrangement? =D

What kind of timing are you running on the top end at 93 octane?

[PapaSmurf2k3]

You guys should see what u could do with E-85, it does come out of a pump after all, also cheaper than pump gas. Plus im curious to see what other people can make on it. I put down 390hp on 18psi in stock motor on it.

+1... I wanna see someone take E85 far with the KA, AMS would be my #1 pick for doing that.I also agree with WD... 450hp is nothing to sneeze at on pump gas... but man... get some meth injection and that would be insane(er).I would think at this point meth injection would yield your biggest hp/$ ratio, although like WD said, maybe bigger turbo too... I don't know a lot about the GT33

[PapaSmurf2k3]

oh, and congratulations on owning a badass street machine.

[9sec240]

E85 is coming

We are currently testing on an Evo 8 with our 2.3L RR motor, our VSR Intake and our GT30 turbo kit. We would expect about the same gains on a KA-T

E85 VS. 93oct, no changes to boost or ignition timing



about 3-4 degrees more timing and it made a huge difference.



24-25psi E85 vs. 21psi 93octane.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

[Craving4Boost]

everyone better stop telling Chris to throw in meth or race gas because I still want to see how far they're going to take it! of course they can put in race gas and meth injection and make serious power...nothing short of obvious..look at Ivan's car obviously. But I want to see Chris' car pushed to the max with pump and see how the reliability of it. 450whp with no knock on pump gas? impressive.....

May I ask the condition of the motor before you boosted it? miles..compression...leakdown test results...abuse prior to being forced induction...etc.

Can't wait to see how much more you squeeze out...

[S13FX]

I totally agree that 450rwhp is impressive on 93 Octane, and that tuning has a lot to do with it, and that 450rwhp is nothing to laugh at or think it's nothing much. I personaly think that any street car that is capable to run in the 13's and lower is pretty fwakin fast especially for the streets.

And I have seen a few replies on here about E85.

But I as few consider E85 as pump gas, just for the simple fact that the gas station down the street from my house sells all Octanes including E85.

I had my 240 pretty much running on E85, and now my New 05 Miata has it in the plans to run a Super Charger with some E85. And my friend SOHC which we are currently working on will run full E85 too.

I would love to see where Chris takes his car on Pump. But with E85 being pump gas now days we can't toss it out the window, and I am happy that they are working on something that runs E85. Cause that means they will release more products that are E85 compatible. Which in the last 5 years or so everything pretty much is already anyways.

But another thing thats coming to a pump here really fast is something that will kick all E85 and octane ***, is Bio Disel.

In any case keep on Kickin ***, and by all means I really hope you hit the 500rwhp mark on that KA cause that would just raise evertones spirits .

BTW RB20 FTW

[NateDogg]

Ivan, I check the forums everyday because of posts like yours. Awesome info thanks for sharing!

PS Chris: keep going on the 93 octane cuz that is more impressive to me than C16! Do you think you could you've maxed out the GT33?

[Chris@AMS]

The motor is an AMS crate motor. Total miles on the motor so far: 215# of dyno pulls on car so far: 80+ (lots of testing different parts)Regular, non severe service the motor has seen: 0

I'm not worried about the motor going any time soon . Although, for some reason I didn't fully groove my bearings, and now I think about it every time my motor is over 5k. I am contemplating taking the motor back apart to put them in...

I am letting the evo's be guinea pigs for the dyno testing . I will be converting shortly after everything goes well.

We can hope it makes more power on pump gas, but as of right now I'm not seeing it. Keep your fingers crossed, maybe our engineers can whip up something amazing .

I expect that turbo to be completely out of steam around 500whp. Maybe I can squeeze a little more out of it on E85 or race gas, we will have to see.

[KATwo40]

I'm glad you guys are keeping it real and not going all "Swap an LS1 into my lawn mower because I can't keep a KA together," on us.. ROCK ON!

threadjack

Did you really just refer to commiting to a low displacement motor over a large displacement motor as "keepin' it real?" Nice.

/threadjack

On topic: I've never seen a GT33 map, and likely never will, but I would bet that it's very similar to the T04E 50 trim map. That being said, 450whp on pump gas at that boost level is indeed impressive. I would, however, love to see some runs on methanol injection.

Tuning for MBT is most certainly key and is the EXACT reason I'm swapping to a standalone, live tuning solution. Granted, it's not AEM, and can't adjust things such as injection end angle, but it'll be a far cry from ROM tuning.

In a street car, sure, I'd prefer the lower end torque, since I don't drive around town hangin' around 8k rpm all day (yeah, I'm exaggerating a bit). But I suppose in a more drag than street car, I'd probably go for higher end of the RPM range cams to get that flow for the MPH at the end of the strip. I can see the angle on that, for sure (no sarcasm here).

[klattr1]

Did you really just refer to commiting to a low displacement motor over a large displacement motor as "keepin' it real?" Nice.

at least he knows how to make power with his "low displacement motor"

i know that'll stir up the pot a lil
Modified by klattr1 at 9:05 PM 3/13/2007