2010 Altima Coupe REVEAL

[Nero]

people been calling the a/c 'the poor man G' since 2007. I hate it Why'd they have to make it look so similar?

[Northernstar]

just caught an interesting bit of informationhttp://www.edmunds.com/insidel...58251

"The Altima sits in a holding pattern, awaiting a major overhaul for model-year 2011."

anyone want to guess?

i'd say a version of the VQ37VHR or the VQ35HR (high reving)HLSD as an option. rwd maybe? if its RWD it would only be on a SE-R model or a nismo edition that could compete with the base 370z.

I thought they do overhaul only once every 5 years??Altima coupe's been out for 4 years already!?@@

[Hussain]

just looked and the I4 accord has 190HP, not 200 HP. but then again, the next gen Accord will come out the same time as the next gen altima so they may boost that power to 200 HP... we all know Honda has the motor (K20)....

[mcheddadi]

just looked and the I4 accord has 190HP, not 200 HP. but then again, the next gen Accord will come out the same time as the next gen altima so they may boost that power to 200 HP... we all know Honda has the motor (K20)....

[Hussain]

i replied to myself because in the previous comment i said they wouldnt do a VQ37HR or VQ35HR motor in the next gen altimas because they didnt in the maxima and that Nissan needs to bump up the power in the 2.5s to 200 HP and that the accord already has 200 hp.... then i checked and the accord has 190 hp.

[mcheddadi]

i replied to myself because in the previous comment i said they wouldnt do a VQ37HR or VQ35HR motor in the next gen altimas because they didnt in the maxima and that Nissan needs to bump up the power in the 2.5s to 200 HP and that the accord already has 200 hp.... then i checked and the accord has 190 hp.

lol sorry haha I didn't check the last page I thought my comment was the last on the page

[Keyan]

My .02...(on the sedan, b/c that's what I own)

I'm not moved by the new design. No significant changes to the rear, or the interior, and the hood is now "wavy". Minor updates to the grille/headlights/fog light area. Overall, it is such a minor retouch that I'm not that impressed. =

Of course, Toyota also basically left the camry alone too, so I guess it's not all that surprising. With the down economy the "mid model refresh" isn't likely to be as extensive as in the past.

Regarding that edmunds report, I doubt the major rev for the altima will come in the 2011 model year, it may come in 2011 for the 2012 model year as that would be about right for Nissan's normal cycle. Ex - 2002-2004 altima, mid refresh for 2005-2006, then major rev for 2007, refresh at 2010, next major should be 2012 model year, and possibly an earlier in the year (in dealerships by may/june 2011) release for 2012.

I would guess that the next rev of the Altima will have approx 280 HP on the same 3.5 VQ platform, with the new "hybrid CVT" in it (Nissan has a new CVT with a single gear in the front, allowing for a greater final ratio difference on the CVT, meaning more power at launch and more efficient cruising).

They won't go to the 3.7 I don't think - the altima has to strike a balance between efficiency and power, particularly with the new federal efficiency laws coming out. That and most people who buy an Altima are looking for a family car with a sporty feel, but not a super high performer. They are concerned about fuel economy. Also Nissan needs to protect the Max/G product lines. Remember that Nissan has tuned the 3.5 to over 300hp in the previous Z, so there is still some head room for them to keep bumping up the HP rating.

[LinkNuc]

Don't forget its FWD, we are pushing the limit now for our weight. I wouldn't expect much more power.

[crayzitalian3]

that would be pretty cool for us enthusiasts though, think about it a 3.7 V6 in a altimas. And then, to top it off, a 2.7 liter, POW..

thats what im talking about

[rjdmmfl1]

Don't forget its FWD, we are pushing the limit now for our weight. I wouldn't expect much more power.

well I've driven a turbo FWD nissan Altima putting an estimated 300+HP TO THE WHEELS, and I can tell you, our FWD car handles just fine at higher HP... in NO WAY are we pushing our cars to the limit now with 230 whp ...

I would guess that the next rev of the Altima will have approx 280 HP on the same 3.5 VQ platform

I highly doubt that... to increase from 270 to 280 just isn't enough, not by today's standards... for the next generation Nissan altima Coupe, I say around 305 HP...

[08Coupe]

I wouldn't expect much more then 300HP Crank on a FWD from the factory...period! They have to cover repairs and consider long term problems, front wheel trannys just dont like massive power. So the bean counters won't do it, if it was a good idea it would have been done a long time ago I fear the days of big power cars may slowly be coming to a end anyways ~~~Crap and trade

[mcheddadi]

I wouldn't expect much more then 300HP Crank on a FWD from the factory...period! They have to cover repairs and consider long term problems, front wheel trannys just dont like massive power. So the bean counters won't do it, if it was a good idea it would have been done a long time ago I fear the days of big power cars may slowly be coming to a end anyways ~~~Crap and trade

revo knuckles did give out a new hope to all fwd enthusiasts out there. it's on the new ford focus RS and it's been highly acclaimed since its introduction.

well I've driven a turbo FWD nissan Altima putting an estimated 300+HP TO THE WHEELS, and I can tell you, our FWD car handles just fine at higher HP... in NO WAY are we pushing our cars to the limit now with 230 whp ...

I think what he meant was pushing the traction/handling limit. the extra 70hp of blakes car can't be good on turns on a track. it must understeer like madness in the turns at high speeds. mecanical hlsd, with double wishbone suspentions or revoknuckles is the future for breaking the 300s barier and get great handling.

[rjdmmfl1]

I think what he meant was pushing the traction/handling limit. the extra 70hp of blakes car can't be good on turns on a track. it must understeer like madness in the turns at high speeds. mecanical hlsd, with double wishbone suspentions or revoknuckles is the future for breaking the 300s barier and get great handling.

I should have clarified my statement, I was well aware that he was talking about traction on a FWD with high horsepower... and that was my point.. I driven Blake's car and at high speeds, his car handled exremely well, never lost traction once... hell, our car from the factory loses traction on turns, but i think that has more to do with the crappy afctory tires, super high riding suspension, and lack of a decent front strit bar...

so in hindsight, I did fail to mention that when I drove blake's car, it was lowered, with 245 tires, and a front srut brace and rear sway bar.... so yeah, that was not a factory drive....

but with a decent suspension overhaul (even without your precious HLSD), the A/c handles 300 hp to the wheels without a problem... so the extra 30 horses at the crank shouldn't be too much for the car to handle

[irondog168]

2010 altima coupe option package "list price" 2.5s premium package: $20702.5s convenience package: $1070

3.5sr premium package: $1420

Leather package: $2060 Tech package: $1780Fog lights: $310Kick plates: $85

Floor, truck mats: $175Rear spoiler: $460

correct me if i'm wrong, isn't 3.5SR premium package already have leather seat ? why there is another leather package ?

[RaZmAn]

I think they mean the red leather package?

It must be like premium + red leather...I hope they dont expect us to pay the premium + the leather to get it all....

[irondog168]

the thing is that 09 v6 model premium package was $3200 w/leather.now its cheapper for $1420 w/o leather ? and a new option comes out say leather package for $2060.that is just odd. who sells premium package without leather in it ?so if i want premium package and leather seat, it will be $3480?so i'm planing for an 3.5SR CVT with premium and leather and navi,it would me MSRP $27270+$2060+$1420+$1780+$720=$33250and wait a sec, with same option on 09 model was 33410 mrsp,so 2010 model is cheapper ? interesting is grey exterior come with red interior ?

[RaZmAn]

ah yes you are right.....interesting...I guess the premium doesn't have leather....

I think one would be able to pick red interior with whatever exterior they want.

[mcheddadi]

but with a decent suspension overhaul (even without your precious HLSD), the A/c handles 300 hp to the wheels without a problem... so the extra 30 horses at the crank shouldn't be too much for the car to handle

on slippery conditions and in any turns the car will understeer because of the laws of physics and because that the car has an open diff.

in a turn, if you have the same cars but one with an open diff and the other with a torsen type diff (hlsd) the car with the torsen will be able to go faster because A limited slip differential can apply varying levels of torque to either wheel, while an open differential can only apply equal turning force on both wheels on the drive.

all this mumbo jumbo only means that on fwd, unless you can increase the traction of your car, to extra HP will be useless because after the traction limit point your car will only be able to understeer because one of the wheel will be slipping. but in a HLSD equipped car. you'll be able to use that extra torque without understeering.

anyhow, I don't doubt that blake's car is a great handling car.

[AZ_Coupe]

I am new to the boards, but i have been lurking for a couple of weeks. Can someone photoshop the new hood on an 09 Coupe?With some slight modfication to the front facia the hood should fit, correct?It looks like the only issue is the notch.Thanks,Mike

[mmkeller]

All this talk of 300+ HP, if they go that direction I see possibly AWD.One more thing, is a AC convertable on the drawing boards, clay workings??

[Hussain]

all this mumbo jumbo only means that on fwd, unless you can increase the traction of your car, to extra HP will be useless because after the traction limit point your car will only be able to understeer because one of the wheel will be slipping. but in a HLSD equipped car. you'll be able to use that extra torque without understeering.

anyhow, I don't doubt that blake's car is a great handling car.

eh, ill just stick to going in straight lines like most people here in America lol even with my crappy factory tires i had insane grip at the track... i mean, i couldnt do a burn out at the track if i tried to! on the streets i could tho lol but CVT 3.se have tons of traction... stick shifts are a little faster BUT they cant put any of that power down to the ground off the line..... CVT FTW!

[adidas2go]

im pissed tht the VQ will now take regular cus i woulda f***in taken that goddamn engine 2nd to none. and the short shifter s***- wtf on the 6spd. so now they are gna have more s*** for the VQ's an less for us QR's makes me want to turbo mine now- but i'll still get f***ed for premium. it just pisses me off now. if they create a nismo or a se-r version im gna s*** my f***in pants. an u guys kno i dnt go on a swearfest unless im f***in pissed. i feel like the QR in its limitedness now is gna be the 'cheap' engine like the 1.8 on the sentra- no one cares about it unless its a point a to point b car. ppl like us care more about other s*** and it just f***s me in the a** to know that they are doin more versions of a higher model.

The VQ could take regular before. The premium thing is really just better to prevent engine knock. However, with such things as knock sensors and timing control, there really is a low chance of that happening. I'm sure many people have run regular in their VQ and saw no problems. I personally only run premium, just for the benefits of a higher octane and the cleaning additives for the fuel system.

Now, as far as a short shifter goes. The shifter still looks insanely tall, so I'm gonna imagine the throw isn't that short. Probably 75% of what the original A/C was.

I wouldn't be too pissed about the QR models. Its still a nice car for a 4 cylinder. Its just pure marketing to create a car with more features, and charge more money to people who will pay it.

[rjdmmfl1]

on slippery conditions and in any turns the car will understeer because of the laws of physics and because that the car has an open diff.

in a turn, if you have the same cars but one with an open diff and the other with a torsen type diff (hlsd) the car with the torsen will be able to go faster because A limited slip differential can apply varying levels of torque to either wheel, while an open differential can only apply equal turning force on both wheels on the drive.

all this mumbo jumbo only means that on fwd, unless you can increase the traction of your car, to extra HP will be useless because after the traction limit point your car will only be able to understeer because one of the wheel will be slipping. but in a HLSD equipped car. you'll be able to use that extra torque without understeering.

anyhow, I don't doubt that blake's car is a great handling car.

i understand what you're saying... my point was that if our car doesn't suffer from really bad understeer now, I doubt an extra 30hp at the crank is the 'magical" amount to cause super significant understeer...

as for non HLSD vs HLSD equipped car.. trust me, your HLSD is not enough to keep me from spanking you like a bad child if i were racing you in Blake's car... I don't know at what magical point our cars will have horrible understeer, but I'm telling you that even with an extra 100+ horses to the wheels, understeer is not a really bad problem... don't believe me, ask blake... he's done canyon runs in SoCAL with his turboed non HLSD equipped FWd car, and he can tell you that its a beast...

so all the mumbo jumbo about traction is only elementary... it means nothing if its not true in a real world situation, and I'm telling you that in this real world situation, it DOES NOT APPLY to the A/C... at least not after a suspension overhaul... I personally would not want to drive a turbo A/C on factory suspension with no RSB or FSB... that we can agree on

[yoonzilla]

[adidas2go]

on slippery conditions and in any turns the car will understeer because of the laws of physics and because that the car has an open diff.

in a turn, if you have the same cars but one with an open diff and the other with a torsen type diff (hlsd) the car with the torsen will be able to go faster because A limited slip differential can apply varying levels of torque to either wheel, while an open differential can only apply equal turning force on both wheels on the drive.

all this mumbo jumbo only means that on fwd, unless you can increase the traction of your car, to extra HP will be useless because after the traction limit point your car will only be able to understeer because one of the wheel will be slipping. but in a HLSD equipped car. you'll be able to use that extra torque without understeering.

anyhow, I don't doubt that blake's car is a great handling car.

I'm absolutely certain that you have done all your research on wikipedia and what not, but know this, I have broken traction in my car, maybe a half a dozen times. Now, most of that is due to the CVT. Knowing what understeer feels like in many different fast FWD cars I've built, I can tell you it is about 10% now of what it used to be, and it was never that bad from the start.

Now, I'm not knocking your mods, or saying a LSD is a bad idea, but I never felt the necessity to get one, and I have the power to actually utilize one. If you've noticed, there are 4 force inducted coupes on this forum, and with our resources, knowledge, and craftsmanship, none of us have found the need to use an LSD on the Altima Coupe.

Why may you ask? Its because with a 2 inch drop, frame stiffening sway bars, strut tower bars, endlinks, and wide rubber, there just isn't a need too. If I'm not breaking traction in a 20 mph turn going 65 at 6 pounds of boost, then neither should anyone else with even the simple additions of springs and new rubber.

So, to sum up this discussion that needed some first hand experience. I will break down the Altima's handling spectrum here. So, say we start the Altima Coupe out with a 70% slip rating for under steer. A car like a hyndai accent would have 100%.

Ok, so starting with 70%, we add springs, that will knock you down to 50%, the biggest addition you will do. Adding 7.5 inch or wider tires, will drop you down to 35%. The rear sway bar will drop you down to about 25%, front strut tower bar - 15% and the endlinks will bring you down to 10%. That's how I would break down my suspension on reducing under steer. I have felt these figures through my car, and my own body running my coupe through the canyons.

[rjdmmfl1]

I'm absolutely certain that you have done all your research on wikipedia and what not, but know this, I have broken traction in my car, maybe a half a dozen times. Now, most of that is due to the CVT. Knowing what understeer feels like in many different fast FWD cars I've built, I can tell you it is about 10% now of what it used to be, and it was never that bad from the start.

Now, I'm not knocking your mods, or saying a LSD is a bad idea, but I never felt the necessity to get one, and I have the power to actually utilize one. If you've noticed, there are 4 force inducted coupes on this forum, and with our resources, knowledge, and craftsmanship, none of us have found the need to use an LSD on the Altima Coupe.

Why may you ask? Its because with a 2 inch drop, frame stiffening sway bars, strut tower bars, endlinks, and wide rubber, there just isn't a need too. If I'm not breaking traction in a 20 mph turn going 65 at 6 pounds of boost, then neither should anyone else with even the simple additions of springs and new rubber.

So, to sum up this discussion that needed some first hand experience. I will break down the Altima's handling spectrum here. So, say we start the Altima Coupe out with a 70% slip rating for under steer. A car like a hyndai accent would have 100%.

Ok, so starting with 70%, we add springs, that will knock you down to 50%, the biggest addition you will do. Adding 7.5 inch or wider tires, will drop you down to 35%. The rear sway bar will drop you down to about 25%, front strut tower bar - 15% and the endlinks will bring you down to 10%. That's how I would break down my suspension on reducing under steer. I have felt these figures through my car, and my own body running my coupe through the canyons.

thanks for your first hand impressions Blake since you drive a boosted A/C...

so mchedaddi... again, I understand you are well versed in understeer, and felt the need to explain it , but again, academics is not the same as what's happeneing in the real world... so while everything you say makes perfect sense as to how it should be, I really don't think it applies alot to the A/C in real life... Nissan did a decent job from the factory diminishing the amount of understeer from the car... they definately didn't eliminate it, and of course it can still happen, but after a suspension overhaul, it is extremely diminished, and extra horsepower isn't enough to cause it to be a concern (with the suspension overhaul)... i would love for ricky and Warner to offer their thoughts on this as well...

[RaZmAn]

sorry for changing the current topic, but when is nissan going to update their website with the 2010 models of AC? I've been waiting patiently....aren't they supposed to be on sale oct 5th? Also they redid their financing deals for october and made it exactly what it was for september...

[rjdmmfl1]

sorry for changing the current topic, but when is nissan going to update their website with the 2010 models of AC? I've been waiting patiently....aren't they supposed to be on sale oct 5th? Also they redid their financing deals for october and made it exactly what it was for september...

naww bruh, actually you got us back on topic... that's a good question... i went by Mossy nissan today to see of they had the new A/c's in stock.. saw one of the crooks9salesmen) at the stealership and asked him if he knew when they would be getting any in stock... he looks at my car and is like, well they didn't really change much on the new car...

I was like, well actually they changed the hood, front bumper, and headlights... they now have projectors... he's like ... uhh, you mean Xenons , they already had xenons... I'm like, uhh, no, they now have projector headlights, they never had projector headlights... he goes in and i guess checks, then he coem back with some crap about how projectpors have been around since the 90's on cars like the integra.. and i look at him like WTF are you talking about... i then breka down the diffeence between Xenons and projectors, and end the convo with.. "dude, you should know something about the car you're trying to sell" and just walked off.... its amazing how phucking brainless some of these salesmen are...

[dangeris]

naww bruh, actually you got us back on topic... that's a good question... i went by Mossy nissan today to see of they had the new A/c's in stock.. saw one of the crooks9salesmen) at the stealership and asked him if he knew when they would be getting any in stock... he looks at my car and is like, well they didn't really change much on the new car...

I was like, well actually they changed the hood, front bumper, and headlights... they now have projectors... he's like ... uhh, you mean Xenons , they already had xenons... I'm like, uhh, no, they now have projector headlights, they never had projector headlights... he goes in and i guess checks, then he coem back with some crap about how projectpors have been around since the 90's on cars like the integra.. and i look at him like WTF are you talking about... i then breka down the diffeence between Xenons and projectors, and end the convo with.. "dude, you should know something about the car you're trying to sell" and just walked off.... its amazing how phucking brainless some of these salesmen are...

I love sales guys like these. they think they know everything about the product they are selling. Not This is when you throw in BS stuff that has nothing to do with the product in your conversation. It makes for a comical event.

[TrueFaith]

Actually, I happen to like the "moustache" of the original grille. makes it much easier to recognize there's a Coupe coming your way instead of an Altima sedan. I doubt I'd give a second look if I saw a 2010 coming towards me on the road, yet I've seen many Altima sedan owners give me a double-take after noticing the "moustache".