2003 4g63 evo swap ever been done? HELP!

[drft4g63]

I have an 89 240sx and a friend with a wrecked evo 8 i want to swap the ka for his 4g63 but i dont have any references to get help from have you done it or seen it done how hard is it ?

[Sil40_Mayhem]

I think the transverse layout of the 4G63 would present the most significant problem. I don't know about the newer versions (like that found in the Evo 8), but I know the older ones (DSM 4G63s) could be mounted transversely or longitudinally (and mated to a transmission from an older Mitsubishi pickup, I believe). I know some Star/Quest (Mitsubishi Starion/Chrysler Conquest) guys have swapped out their G54Bs for the 4G63. From there, I imagine some motor mount/transmission mount fabbing would be required, and maybe a custom driveshaft? Just talking out of my @ss here, as I'm not the most technically proficient. But hopefully, some of that jibber-jabber was helpful.

[sunnys14]

I have an 89 240sx and a friend with a wrecked evo 8 i want to swap the ka for his 4g63 but i dont have any references to get help from have you done it or seen it done how hard is it ?

Stupid question for your first post.

[Emperor_Tha]

its a start

[IanS]

I have an 89 240sx and a friend with a wrecked evo 8 i want to swap the ka for his 4g63 but i dont have any references to get help from have you done it or seen it done how hard is it ?

For the cost of fabbing everything up and custom fitting the engine you could swap two FWD SR20DETs from GTIRs into your 240SX making it AWD.

Its not worth it, just find a DSM and swap the motor into that.

[4wheeldrifts13]

For the cost of fabbing everything up and custom fitting the engine you could swap two FWD SR20DETs from GTIRs into your 240SX making it AWD.

Its not worth it, just find a DSM and swap the motor into that.

I agree.

[drft4g63]

ok... not helpful and i had an evo 8 with 350awhp just from a boost controler and fuel managment i know how easy it is to make huge power and i know setting it up longitudinaly requires either a different trans or blocking and plates plus a custom drive shaft the intention is to keep the 240 rwd with all the ease in tuning the 4g63 why would i want the to waste my money on rb or my time hustling 300hp out of the sr20 whos done it or seen it ?

[IanS]

whos done it or seen it ?

No one. It hasn't been done, because its not worth it. Not only do you need a different transmission, you also need an intake manifold that doesn't face the firewall, an exhaust manifold that doesn't hit the steering linkage, motor and transmission mounts that not only hold the engine, but also line it up with the rear differential, a wiring harness that connects everything, an oil pan that clears the cross member, power steering lines that work, and a whole mess of things I'm not even thinking of.

ok... not helpful and i had an evo 8 with 350awhp just from a boost controler and fuel managment i know how easy it is to make huge power and i know setting it up longitudinaly requires either a different trans or blocking and plates plus a custom drive shaft the intention is to keep the 240 rwd with all the ease in tuning the 4g63 why would i want the to waste my money on rb or my time hustling 300hp out of the sr20

You have no idea what you are dreaming up.

I know this swap COULD be possible, but the fact that you had to ask instantly told me that you do not have, A the knowhow, or B the money, to complete it.

Let me guess, you are on the audi forum right now asking if anyone has ever put a 4G into an A4. Just because you have a shot at a cheap 4G does not justify attempting to shove it into every available chassis.

Im not trying to be a prick, Im just telling you the way things are, I double dog dare you to prove me wrong.

[apollas]

why would i want the to waste my money on rb or my time hustling 300hp out of the sr20 whos done it or seen it ?

waste your money on an RB? HAHAHA! LOL! you really think that putting a 4g63 into a 240 is gonna be cheaper than swapping an RB? by the time and money you invest into making a 4g63 into a 240 work, you would already have 2-3 fully built rb 240s by then

[Encryptshun]

How to make 300 WHP out of an SR20DET:

Buy and install an s13 SR20DET: $1700 (including intercooler)Walboro fuel pump: $100550cc injectors: $400Z32 MAFS: $100 off ebay or junkyard for $25Re-map ECU: $500Manual boost controller: $100

Total cost: $2900 just buying from first supplier I happened to look up

I fail to see how that's not worth time or money to accomplish.

[drft4g63]

ok so i have no good excuse not to have an rb or sr, i just want to do it so im going to then im going to post it with pics and dyno video ... unfortunitly not so smart and not so rich so it will take me about a year thank you for your help... but im going to do things my way

[Rucca]

Well next year when this isn't done, remember, a lot of people told you it was a bad idea.

[andrewsmc]

Damn ruin the guys dreams lol... I admit.. its a waste, But if you have the money and time to make a one-off car. Why the hell not. Be unique man. Do what you wana do.

[junjun0134x]

Wow sounds crazy but you'll be the only guy to have a 240 with a 4g63 in it that is if you can pull it off...i would just try to sell the engine and SR or RB the 240 but this does sound interesting so i wanna see where this goes

[apollas]

does sound interesting so i wanna see where this goes

most likely nowhere. seriously. if this guy can prove us wrong, by all means do it.

[Encryptshun]

I'm still stunned by how much of a dumb@ss OP's friend is -- trading a 4g63 for a stock KA...

[IanS]

most likely nowhere. seriously. if this guy can prove us wrong, by all means do it.

No doubt, I see threads like this time and time again, and it is extremely rare that anything ever comes to fruition.

[Eikon]

I'm planning to swap this engine:



Into this car:



You guys don't think that will be a problem do you?

[Sil40_Mayhem]

After somebody stuffed the 5.0L "Cammer" into that Focus a couple of years back, I'm not doubting much anymore.

[IanS]

After somebody stuffed the 5.0L "Cammer" into that Focus a couple of years back, I'm not doubting much anymore.

That somebody was Ford, and I don't think you need reminding that Ford has very deep pockets.

[apollas]

That somebody was Ford, and I don't think you need reminding that Ford has very deep pockets.

You can tell 99% of the time when it would be possible. for example, the OP coming in here and asking a question like that, then you know its not going anywhere. if XS engineering, hybrid, or any other reputable company/shop posts something like this, id have second thoughts.

[Sil40_Mayhem]

That somebody was Ford, and I don't think you need reminding that Ford has very deep pockets.

They became profitable again?

j/k I wasn't sure if it was Ford or an affiliated aftermarket company. Later on, it was pitted against a Gallardo in a battery of tests. I think it was in Car and Driver. Anyway, I imagine a similar depth of resources would be required for the whole 8.3L Dodge V10 -> smart fourtwo swap.

[KLYPH]

That Focus cost over 100,000 dollars to build and had 500 hp. It was in motor trend and they put it against a lambo or something.Back to your regular programing..

[ken240sx]

Instead of putting the 4g63 in a 240...wouldn't it benifit you to find a cheap eclipse gsx or talon tsi shell....I mean it will be set up with an awd platform and I'm sure putting that engine in there wouldn't take very much effort considering that they came with let me see.....a 4g63 engine, so you probably won't need to fab much considering.

If you want to be unique, find a twin turbo diesel that will fit in the 240 platform with some minor cutting and welding of the engine bay. Double the torque of a tuned 4g, and you can find one in a rwd platform.

[IanS]

Instead of putting the 4g63 in a 240...wouldn't it benifit you to find a cheap eclipse gsx or talon tsi shell....I mean it will be set up with an awd platform and I'm sure putting that engine in there wouldn't take very much effort considering that they came with let me see.....a 4g63 engine, so you probably won't need to fab much considering.

Thats actually not so easy either, all of the USDM DSMs came with the 4G as it was in the early model Evos. Then Mitsu switched things up, IIRC the Evo 7 was the first to use the revamp. It is still technically a 4G63T, but they flip floped which side of the engine compartment the motor sits in, while at the same time reversing the engines rotation direction to increase torque output. This makes swapping in to the older chassis very difficult.

[ken240sx]

i'd imagine it would still be easier to overcome than putting it in a 240 tho.

[apollas]

Instead of putting the 4g63 in a 240...wouldn't it benifit you to find a cheap eclipse gsx or talon tsi shell....I mean it will be set up with an awd platform and I'm sure putting that engine in there wouldn't take very much effort considering that they came with let me see.....a 4g63 engine, so you probably won't need to fab much considering.

If you want to be unique, find a twin turbo diesel that will fit in the 240 platform with some minor cutting and welding of the engine bay. Double the torque of a tuned 4g, and you can find one in a rwd platform.

i dont think he is really looking into being "beneficial" here. hes just thought he could make cheap power by using the 4g with one of the cars he already had.

[98s14inaz]

If you have to ask, you're in over your head. Just do an sr and be done with it.

[HxC_Nismo]

or you can sell your 240 and buy a 3g eclipse gs and do the evo swap cause that has been done but dont listen to me im just one of those pointless rb swap guys

[HigherRhymes]

For the cost of fabbing everything up and custom fitting the engine you could swap two FWD SR20DETs from GTIRs into your 240SX making it AWD.

Its not worth it, just find a DSM and swap the motor into that.