2003 4g63 evo swap ever been done? HELP!

[Redevil]

Sounds like you don't have the money to do it. That's probably why you went from an evo to an s13. Of course its possible, you just need the funds, but it would probably take you a lot longer than a year with no money and assuming you don't have all the fabbing equipment like a good welder and other tools to do it.

[Priceless89]

I think he's gone........oh well

[irax]

How to make 300 WHP out of an SR20DET:

Buy and install an s13 SR20DET: $1700 (including intercooler)Walboro fuel pump: $100550cc injectors: $400Z32 MAFS: $100 off ebay or junkyard for $25Re-map ECU: $500Manual boost controller: $100

Total cost: $2900 just buying from first supplier I happened to look up

I fail to see how that's not worth time or money to accomplish.

1.) I'd like to know where you get a sr20det swap that isn't an engine set and transmission for $1700 delivered or picked up? Or at least worth while putting in your car

2.) That build isn't going to produce 350hp more than 10 minutes of its life

3.) Just so his question is answered, If you have time and a budget you can do it if you look up that starion previously mentioned.

4.) mounts can always be made to fit anything into anything. If you have a welder make mounts to fit it in there. The question at hand though is do you have the skill set to do it right? or the money to do it half *** so its in there and then take it to a shop to have them make quality mounting and transmission adapter.

And a big to all the nay sayers anyways, if you want to do it just do it. And then find a way to make money off doing it. And then laugh your way to the bank. It is incredibly annoying to see a new swap idea that could be legal get shot down because SR is the easiest thing to do there fore you shouldn't do anything BUT SR. 5 Years ago people thought I was stupid for wanting to put in a VQ35DE into my car, sure it took my 4 years and 3 240's later to get around to start it but when its finished in the next month or so and fully legalized with a budget under an SR with the same power. Who will be the idiot then?

[IanS]

And a big to all the nay sayers anyways, if you want to do it just do it. And then find a way to make money off doing it. And then laugh your way to the bank. It is incredibly annoying to see a new swap idea that could be legal get shot down because SR is the easiest thing to do there fore you shouldn't do anything BUT SR. 5 Years ago people thought I was stupid for wanting to put in a VQ35DE into my car, sure it took my 4 years and 3 240's later to get around to start it but when its finished in the next month or so and fully legalized with a budget under an SR with the same power. Who will be the idiot then?

I never said it could not be done, I said its not worth it. Comparing your VQ swat to a RWD 4G swap is misleading. A VQ into a 240SX is kid games compared to a 4G. That being said, nay saying serves two benefits, first, it weeds out the kids who are just vocalizing their pipe dreams, it keeps thier feet on the ground, and it keeps BS to a minimum. Second, if the person is truly serious about doing it, it wont matter what we tell them, on the contrary, it will drive them to try even harder just to prove us wrong.

[480sx]

Anyone else find the humor in this guys name ? drft + 4g63

Im going to build the best, most unique drift car ever!

[sunnys14]

How to make 300 WHP out of an SR20DET:

Buy and install an s13 SR20DET: $1700 (including intercooler)Walboro fuel pump: $100550cc injectors: $400Z32 MAFS: $100 off ebay or junkyard for $25Re-map ECU: $500Manual boost controller: $100

Total cost: $2900 just buying from first supplier I happened to look up

I fail to see how that's not worth time or money to accomplish.

#1 Why the hell would you change injectors for?

#2 Why the hell would you change the maf for?

#3 Why the hell would you get a ECU tune for a dinky *** T25?

#4 Stock T25 is limited to 250whp or so. No point in changing maf or injectors, unless you're gay that is.

#5 14psi on a T25 with stock sidemount = 250whp + detonation + buy new pistons

#6 You are stupid and dont know what you're talking about.

[got chub]

why don't you get all the AWD platform and just make a AWD 240 with a 4g? would be just as hard as a RWD 4g swap IMO

[apollas]

I never said it could not be done, I said its not worth it. Comparing your VQ swat to a RWD 4G swap is misleading. A VQ into a 240SX is kid games compared to a 4G. That being said, nay saying serves two benefits, first, it weeds out the kids who are just vocalizing their pipe dreams, it keeps thier feet on the ground, and it keeps BS to a minimum. Second, if the person is truly serious about doing it, it wont matter what we tell them, on the contrary, it will drive them to try even harder just to prove us wrong.

exactly, to the nay like i said, if he could prove us wrong then do so. if he can get that engine to run in the 240 then thats +1 to his ego, +1 to the 240 community, and +1 to me knowing that i have another swap option. but for him to come in and say that rb and sr are not worth it and a "waste of money" im gonna LOL @ that

[Encryptshun]

#6 You are stupid and dont know what you're talking about.

You are right, of course. I'm stupid and I don't know what I'm talking about.

Now would you please stop mailing naked pictures of yourself to my house? I don't find you attractive and I'm going to call the police if you don't stop hanging out on my lawn.

[sunnys14]

Oh yes, i will stop.

And can you please tell us all what the formula is for a 200whp NA KA too please?

Lemme guess... I/H/E + 1000cc injectors + Q45 maf?

[drft4g63]

no offense to any one with an sr or rb swp i just figure if im going through the hastle of a swap i want to be different about it and the rb is great however i want to keep about the same weight ratios because i like the way the car handles and as for the sr its old im bored ooh an sr in the very car it came in stock in every other country if i wanted an sr 240 i would just buy one that was already changed over then build off that and i would be content im not rich i know what im in for ive seen a corvette motor in an m3 and a 9 sec volvo station wagon stock weight im not a punk kid and yes it will probably take more than a year but i will show you all if you put your mind to it it can be done

[sunnys14]

Cool, be different.

What advantage does a 4G63 have over a SR or RB?

What transmission are you going to use?

All that work is worthless. Its like trying to put a B18c5 motor into a 240.

This idea = Ultimate fail part 3

[coreansurfer]

Cool, be different.

What advantage does a 4G63 have over a SR or RB?

What transmission are you going to use?

All that work is worthless. Its like trying to put a B18c5 motor into a 240.

This idea = Ultimate fail part 3

what are part 1 &2?

[Roc]

Cool, be different.

What advantage does a 4G63 have over a SR or RB?

What transmission are you going to use?

All that work is worthless. Its like trying to put a B18c5 motor into a 240.

This idea = Ultimate fail part 3

Why does it fail? A 4g63 is an amazing platform.... Its Balls are huge.... People push 500 horsepower off of the motor with stock internals.... Massive amount of torque.... Custom fabbing everything wouldnt be a problem..... Oh maybe for you b/c you seem to be the kind of person with know imagination or logic.... to build..... btw.. There is a rwd transmission that bolts up also...Im not going to say anything else...

[koukicody]

been done with the older 4g63's in plenty of cars. with the newer one being flipped around, you would need to fab a intake manifold pointing the right direction. after that, just custom mounts, possibly downpipe, a driveshaft, and it would be in the car. IMO, if your still stuck on doing a 4g63, just sell your new one and build a older one with the money.

i dont know why other people are so concerned with YOUR money and time thats gonna be put into, but, whatever. everyone is entitled to their opinion

edit: heres a site i found that might be of help too http://projectzerog.com/

[IanS]

been done with the older 4g63's in plenty of cars. with the newer one being flipped around, you would need to fab a intake manifold pointing the right direction. after that, just custom mounts, possibly downpipe, a driveshaft, and it would be in the car. IMO, if your still stuck on doing a 4g63, just sell your new one and build a older one with the money.

i dont know why other people are so concerned with YOUR money and time thats gonna be put into, but, whatever. everyone is entitled to their opinion

edit: heres a site i found that might be of help too http://projectzerog.com/

With enough money, time, and know how, anything is possible. There are plenty of people who can and will do swaps like these, but the people who do them are not the people who ask if they can be done, they know better.

99% of the time, the people who ask, cant do it for whatever reason, they are just asking because someone planted the idea in their head, and it grew like Jacks beanstock. In most cases being brought back to harsh cold reality is the best medicine. Remember, even Jack had to fall.

[drft4g63]

i have my transmission issue worked out now along with my engine management and drive shaft issue i just need to wait and save some more cash so i can afford to buy said parts and a proper clutch, flywheel and mounts for the engine and trans.

[IanS]

i have my transmission issue worked out now along with my engine management and drive shaft issue i just need to wait and save some more cash so i can afford to buy said parts and a proper clutch, flywheel and mounts for the engine and trans.

Anyone can make claims.

You really want to prove us wrong, lets see some specs, lets hear how you are going to overcome your obstacles, and most of all, lets see some pictures. If you cant produce, I call BS.

[drft4g63]

i share your cynicism in one respect i too feel the need to see proof when one speaks of such things however i do not (as i mentioned) have the means... yet and when i get there you all will be like the third to know and youll have pics and eventually dyno pulls and quarter mile/drift video in the mean time i will keep updating this post as revelations are made

[Hazardc]

Sorry to bump this old thread, but it comes up in google when searching for 4g63 240sx swaps as the first result

First off, FlatBlackIan is a total tool, has no idea what he is talking about, and should STFU and stay out of thread like this.

Swapping an evo 4g63 into a 240sx would be WAY LESS of a task then getting it to work in a DSM. It's not even worth trying to put it in a DSM. They are completely backwards in design. This usually isn't good when talking swapping from one transverse car to another. Also, a DSM 4g63 is plenty stout. There's no reason to swap.

With fab skills, the swap would be not much more than an sr swap, and has significantly higher power potential. I'm not dogging the SR too much, but it really isn't reliable stock beyond 300-400whp. The 4g63 is a brick s***house in comparison, especially the EVO version of it.

It basically comes down to intake manifold, water pipe/thermostat housing. The harness isn't much of a problem... and of course the bell housing/mounts/clearing the steering stuff.

People have swapped 4g63's into Mustangs, FD rx7s, FC RX7s, starions, Mighty max trucks, porsches, and many other cars.

If you guys are going to slam this idea, slam it because if a person has to ask if it's possible, they probably aren't capable of doing it themselves, don't open your mouth if you have no grasp of reality.

[coreansurfer]

amazing post.

this thread would've been s*** without your post.

oh wait.

[dc1984]

well, with all that being said, i guess i can sleep at night now.

[Mr. S13]

I have an 89 240sx and a friend with a wrecked evo 8 i want to swap the ka for his 4g63 but i dont have any references to get help from have you done it or seen it done how hard is it ?

I've seen a few people do rwsm's usingd converts in the ol' d gm transmissions. But for the amount of sheer time/ cost you would come out better buying said evo. Then parting out the good pieces and going KA-T . I am by no means telling you that it can't be done, anything is possible.

[Hazardc]

well, with all that being said, i guess i can sleep at night now.

Cool, do you have anything informative to post on the subject, or are you just trying to come off as a sarcastic d!ck with no real information, just wanting to boost the post count?

Like was said above me, 99% of people would be better off sticking with KA-T or any of the other cookie cutter swaps that are out there.

I've done a few SR swaps and I can say that it wouldn't be very hard to shove whatever in there. I was actually looking for dimensions on a 4.6 DOHC when looking through these threads (trying to see if it will clear the steering components) , but I am a 4g63t guy at heart.

These swaps aren't hard as long as you have clearance and can do smome intermediate level fab work. One of my buddies put a 2jz in his 96 cobra toward the end of last summer.

I may be picking up a 240 coupe here in a few days, and so far my options are 4g63t, ford 4.6 DOHC, or a 2jz (friend has one he'll sell me cheap, have other two motors laying around.)

[IanS]

Sorry to bump this old thread, but it comes up in google when searching for 4g63 240sx swaps as the first result

First off, FlatBlackIan is a total tool, has no idea what he is talking about, and should STFU and stay out of thread like this.

Swapping an evo 4g63 into a 240sx would be WAY LESS of a task then getting it to work in a DSM. It's not even worth trying to put it in a DSM. They are completely backwards in design. This usually isn't good when talking swapping from one transverse car to another. Also, a DSM 4g63 is plenty stout. There's no reason to swap.

With fab skills, the swap would be not much more than an sr swap, and has significantly higher power potential. I'm not dogging the SR too much, but it really isn't reliable stock beyond 300-400whp. The 4g63 is a brick s***house in comparison, especially the EVO version of it.

It basically comes down to intake manifold, water pipe/thermostat housing. The harness isn't much of a problem... and of course the bell housing/mounts/clearing the steering stuff.

People have swapped 4g63's into Mustangs, FD rx7s, FC RX7s, starions, Mighty max trucks, porsches, and many other cars.

If you guys are going to slam this idea, slam it because if a person has to ask if it's possible, they probably aren't capable of doing it themselves, don't open your mouth if you have no grasp of reality.

Why do all the 4G63 boys get all butt hurt when anyone says the 4g isnt the greatest engine ever?

Go back to the DSM forums, and spew your stupid there.

It can be done, it probably will be done, and guess what, it still wont be worth it.

It basically comes down to intake manifold, water pipe/thermostat housing. The harness isn't much of a problem... and of course the bell housing/mounts/clearing the steering stuff.

for a race car maybe. Listing those things is easy, but actually doing all of them takes time and money. Not to mention power steering, most people want that. How about the option of AC, wouldnt that be nice?

99.9% of people dont have the time/money/knowhow/tools, to complete even half of the things required to make it driveable, the average forum user needs to know the truth. Or kids will end up with a 4G, an S chassis shell, and a big bag of pipe dreams taking up space in their garage.

PS keep the name calling to yourself.

[Hazardc]

So, name calling is bad, but your condensending know it all attitude isn't?

I don't own any dsm's anymore, why would I go back and "spew" on a dsm forum? And do be perfectly honest, I probably have more wrench time on Nissans than the majority of people that are registered on this forum. People like you that have to be the final answer are the reason a lot of people don't post

Want to go ahead and tell me why this swap is impossibly hard and cost prohibitive compared to any rb? Honestly it's really not much more complicated than putting in an sr, and I could do it for a similar price.

I'm not going to debate the 4g being better than the sr. It's a proven fact that it is better stock for stock, and will make more power in the long haul as well.

Now, I can understand some people want to keep a car the original make, that's cool, but your bias and ignorance does nothing good for the community, it only propagates misinformation. God help me for interjecting a little logic and first hand experience into your bs posts.

Go ahead and tell me step by step why swapping a 2jz/4g63/ls1 would be such a hard thing to do, what it would require that makes it so hard, and specifically what would be way more expensive than an SR/RB swap.I'm waiting.

And oh my, running AC and PS lines! What a difficult venture!If you need lines, there's places that make them, cheap.
Modified by Hazardc at 2:02 AM 4/12/2009

[IanS]

So, name calling is bad, but your condensending know it all attitude isn't?

I don't own any dsm's anymore, why would I go back and "spew" on a dsm forum? And do be perfectly honest, I probably have more wrench time on Nissans than the majority of people that are registered on this forum. People like you that have to be the final answer are the reason a lot of people don't post

Want to go ahead and tell me why this swap is impossibly hard and cost prohibitive compared to any rb? Honestly it's really not much more complicated than putting in an sr, and I could do it for a similar price.

I'm not going to debate the 4g being better than the sr. It's a proven fact that it is better stock for stock, and will make more power in the long haul as well.

Now, I can understand some people want to keep a car the original make, that's cool, but your bias and ignorance does nothing good for the community, it only propagates misinformation. God help me for interjecting a little logic and first hand experience into your bs posts.

Go ahead and tell me step by step why swapping a 2jz/4g63/ls1 would be such a hard thing to do, what it would require that makes it so hard, and specifically what would be way more expensive than an SR/RB swap.I'm waiting.

And oh my, running AC and PS lines! What a difficult venture!If you need lines, there's places that make them, cheap.

Modified by Hazardc at 2:02 AM 4/12/2009

Where have I ever said it was "impossibly hard"?

You say its no harder than swapping in an SR, then do it. I want to see THAT build thread. I will be your first thumbs up. I guarantee you it will cost more, and it will take longer. All those things listed, those cost money, some of them a great deal of it. Maybe you or I could get our hands on any sheet metal intake and make it work, but Joe public cannot. Just sorting the motor mounts is enough to stop most people

You want to talk about know it all attitudes? You should read your own posts some time.

I never said an RB/LS/2JZ/VH45/VQ/VG were any better. They all require fab work, but there is one major difference, they all have a few extra cylinders that lead to a higher power ceiling.

Everybody and their brother has seen an 800hp 4G on the dyno, but guess what, thats the only place you see them. The fasted DSMs, are rarely making more the 300, not only because anything more is overkill, and its a good way to destroy the car, but also because of reliability concerns. 4 cylinder engines are just not suited to making that kind of power on a day to day basis.

If you are going to be all butt hurt because people aren't agreeing that the 4G is the greatest engine ever, than this is the wrong forum for you.

PS people do LS, and 2JZ swaps all the time. Doing so is neither cheap nor easy. But it has been done before, and that is the biggest hurdle. It means someone else went through all the trial and error of getting it to work.

Go spew your childishness somewhere else, you are starting to sound like a troll.

[Logan76]

Hazard, stop nut swinging for the 4g63 swap and go out there and do the thing. You claim you have more experience than most of us, then surely you probably have a 800hp 4g63 240sx in your garage I take it? If all you can do is toss around useless info then stfu, if you want to prove your point get out there and do it.

[dc1984]

everyone else already took all the good stuff so im just going for the sarcastic d!ck

[Hazardc]

You don't need a sheet metal intake, it's perfectly easy enough to relocate the stock TB over to the other side of the inake manifold. All you need is a tap and a friend that can weld aluminum... OR you can just buy a used SMIM for a couple hundred bucks anymore. meh.

Fastest DSM's only making 300? Are you kidding me? I used to work a a shop in Toledo that has an 8 second DSM. I'm an hour away from a guy who has made tons of 7 second passes with a sock block/crank 4g63. I wonder how much his car weighs to be able to lay down that kinda time with 300hp? there are numerous 4g63 powered cars trapping 160+ mph in the quarter mile. There is a 4g63 powered stock displacement car making 6 second passes at 200mph. Shep went over 190mph in a freakin AWD. How can you even begin to knock it?

You really think an rb would be CHEAPER? Be real now. I love the RB engines, but parts availablitity and prices on those parts don't exactly lend themselves to. We don't live in austrailia or japan.

You show your ignorance when you say the 4g63 doesn't lend to making over 300whp very wellhttp://www.dsmtimes.org/times.php?Page=1

Yeah, just "on the dyno". There are over 500 cars on that list running 11.90 or beter. What do you actually know about them?

Honestly, you do make a few good points in general, but when you get specific about parts/potential and FACTS, you are 100% wrong on almost everything, not to mention almost everyone else who bothers to post has nothing informative to say. I have 10 years of experience working on these engines, they dont start popping after 300whp like the sr's tend to. You don't even need to crack the valve cover to make 400whp.

Seriously though, you seem to judge every other 4 cylinder by the SR's failure level. 4g63's have no problem putting 400 stock, SRT 4 engines have no problem doing it, 4b11t's do it all day, even K series honda engines s*** out 400whp like it's their job on stock internals.

That said. Id be perfectly willing to help anyone who ever wanted to do this, as long as they were at least mechanically inclined enough to do any normal swap themselves.

I don't know that I'd do it myself, but it's not the challenge you make it out to be.
Modified by Hazardc at 5:28 AM 4/13/2009