Hazardc wrote:You don't need a sheet metal intake, it's perfectly easy enough to relocate the stock TB over to the other side of the inake manifold. All you need is a tap and a friend that can weld aluminum... OR you can just buy a used SMIM for a couple hundred bucks anymore. meh.
Fastest DSM's only making 300? Are you kidding me? I used to work a a shop in Toledo that has an 8 second DSM. I'm an hour away from a guy who has made tons of 7 second passes with a sock block/crank 4g63. I wonder how much his car weighs to be able to lay down that kinda time with 300hp? there are numerous 4g63 powered cars trapping 160+ mph in the quarter mile. There is a 4g63 powered stock displacement car making 6 second passes at 200mph. Shep went over 190mph in a freakin AWD. How can you even begin to knock it?
You really think an rb would be CHEAPER? Be real now. I love the RB engines, but parts availablitity and prices on those parts don't exactly lend themselves to. We don't live in austrailia or japan.
You show your ignorance when you say the 4g63 doesn't lend to making over 300whp very wellhttp://
www.dsmtimes.org/times.php?Page=1
Yeah, just "on the dyno". There are over 500 cars on that list running 11.90 or beter. What do you actually know about them?
Honestly, you do make a few good points in general, but when you get specific about parts/potential and FACTS, you are 100% wrong on almost everything, not to mention almost everyone else who bothers to post has nothing informative to say. I have 10 years of experience working on these engines, they dont start popping after 300whp like the sr's tend to. You don't even need to crack the valve cover to make 400whp.
Seriously though, you seem to judge every other 4 cylinder by the SR's failure level. 4g63's have no problem putting 400 stock, SRT 4 engines have no problem doing it, 4b11t's do it all day, even K series honda engines s*** out 400whp like it's their job on stock internals.
That said. Id be perfectly willing to help anyone who ever wanted to do this, as long as they were at least mechanically inclined enough to do any normal swap themselves.
I don't know that I'd do it myself, but it's not the challenge you make it out to be.
Modified by Hazardc at 5:28 AM 4/13/2009
Where did you learn to read? Honestly, you misunderstand every single thing anyone posts.
When I say fastest, I don't give a rats hairy a** about race cars, drag cars, trailer queens, or garage specials. I'm talking about truly DAILY DRIVEN cars. I would like to see how your 800 hp eclipse handle daily duty. How about on the road course, Id put money I could run circles around them in a stock 3 series BMW.
Ive seen plenty of 4 cylinders make 400 on a stock bottom end, including plenty of SR's. Thats not the point, 400 is overkill on any daily driven 4 cylinder. At that power level you loose a great deal of drive ability. Sure you can still drive it on the street, but why?
I never said an RB would be cheaper, I said it had the benefit of having 2 extra cylinders, there you go forgetting how to read again. Maybe you need to go back to elementary school. I said an SR would be cheaper, which is undoubtedly true, and the same goes for a KA-T setup, a CA18 swap, hell I bet I could do a carbed SBC for cheaper.
Im not going to debate th 4gs ability to make power with you. You seem to think it is the engine to end all, this begs the question, why then pray tell did you leave the DSM world?
I've worked with countless DSM rally cars, and auto cross cars. Every rally I go to, up to 10 DSMs enter. On average, only 2 finish. Engine problems take them out of the running. Ask me how many times I've swapped a 4g head gasket mid rally.
The ability to make high power numbers is only one benefit of a 4g. To bad it fails when long term reliability is concerned.
I have only one thing left to say. See crank, see crank walk, walk crank walk.
Im done arguing with you, its obvious you know absolutely everything there is to know about fast cars.