ford 302 5.0 carburated fit into 240sx 90 ?

[maik21]

hi every body into the forum....i hate the ka24e, because it drunk a lot of ga... i do all the services... i do the imposible to become my motor into a good motor, but it dont like the changes.

i want to swap a ford 302 5.0 carburated into my 240sx 90, and i want to know if it fit and some advices to put the motor into my car!!! my uncle is mechanical and has a repair shop, and it has a machine solder etc... he has all the stuff to do the swap, but he has scary because he say that the 302 is a lot weight than ka24e and he say that chasis dont suport a 302 because weight stuffs....

please. advice me !!

[mikeh16]

Can anyone say "inefficiency"?

[574-240sx]

yes it will work, talk to Aries about it. He can give you some good info, especially on the mounts.

[Florida240sx]

It should hold fine. There's a couple with LT1's isn't there? Your car's balance will be changed and the steering is going to be harder.

[WhiteMexican]

The 302 is a pretty compact engine relative to the newer OHC v8's. no reason it wouldn't work. And since when is high efficiency the only way to have fun??? Tell me a viper or a 427 cobra aren't fun car's despite the pushrods.

[frapjap]

Yeah, really. I wanted to drop in a FI 302 into mine and try out project Nisstang, but then got my plans cut short when I realized I'd need new everything...driveshaft, diff, axle, dash gauges.....yeah, when I was planning it it was becoming to much downtime for my baby so I had to give it up. I just bought a nitrous kit. : )

[maik21]

who is aries ??? well... thanks for help... im so happy because your help me a lot !!! the sellerman sell me 2 motors.... one that has carburater and the other one has efi but it hasnt the ecu!! all are manual transmision!!! if the steer become more hard, theres no matter, im happy!! =) my muscles grow up !!! .... and what about the motor mounts??? its dificult to do a good mount? advice me please!!

[Florida240sx]

Steering really won't be an issue just a change and we all change everyday. You would to make your own motor mounts I beleive. So you got 2 302 engines? no ECU for both or just the EFI. I enjoy highway speed better than through the city. Less chance for someone to pull out in front of you beside you usually have the option to switch lanes. ONly problem is state troopers with the lt1 in camaro's are waiting for ya.

[maik21]

i dont know how motor i nedd to buy... one are carburated an the other one dont have the ecu, but it has all the sensors and other stuffs.... the sellerman sell the carburated in 700 bucks and the efi motor in 700 bucks too., but the efi seems to be a little big than the carburated... all are with transmision , and the driveshaft =)

[frapjap]

Wow, transmission AND driveshaft! Lets hope it fits under the 240 chassis. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you're gonna need a differential, and most likely axle(s). The stock ones probably won't be able to be reused, nor will our diff bolt up to the Ford driveshaft.

Hopefully you wont have fitment issues with getting the shifter thru the stock hole in the car. Thats where the motor mounting comes in, You've gotta get that right so that you can properly place the shifter inside the car, and still get the transmission/driveshaft/differential placement right.

As far as whether you should go with the carberator vs. efi, I'd go with the efi (because theres more people online with Mustang forums with efi&its newer). You can always go to a junk yard and pull the computer from a 5.0 fox body stang and plug up the harness to it. Try and get the seller down on price on the efi because it doesn't have the computer.

[maik21]

o yea... good idea !!!!!! i go to the sellerman and i try to down the price..... and about driveshaft... my uncle (mechanical) told me that i only need the driveshaft of the transmision because the driveshaft(302) can cut a piece of it, and paste to the driveshaft of my 240sx... and it say it will work pretty fine, because he do this things with car truck(20 tons) and it say that the results are great!!! and i dont need to put a diferencial and other stuffs... only that i need is solder the 2 driveshafts!! and go to a mechanical shop to the correct balance of it!! =))) im in mexico and this things happend... maybe its not the good way, but its the cheapest way and it work fine

[Florida240sx]

I started to say yea you could just mold the two driveshafts together. Just goign to say make sure you have soemone who knows what they are doing but looks like you already have. Keep us informed on your progress

[Altiman94]

take it to a shop for a custom driveshaft. All you need is the length and the yokes for the transmission and diff. Id rather have a 1 piece than some welded up jerry rigged piece.

[Florida240sx]

Well this guys does it for 20ton vehicles. Think he knows what he is doing.Not to mention it won't cost him much if anything cuz it's his uncle.

[mikeh16]

The 302 is a pretty compact engine relative to the newer OHC v8's. no reason it wouldn't work. And since when is high efficiency the only way to have fun??? Tell me a viper or a 427 cobra aren't fun car's despite the pushrods.

All I'm saying is that generally, we buy imports like the 240 for efficiency to save us a little money on gas; and for reliability, so we can save our selves some money fixing the mistakes that Ford, Dodge, and the others make trying to cut corners. Swapping an archaic carbourated 302 into a 240 just seems rediculous. It's not just about power. Also, I don't even have the slightest desire to drive a Cobra or Viper when I know I can get into an Evo, 300zx, or a 240 with a nicely tuned CA18DET.

[Chingon]

^^yeah, have fun beating a 427 cobra with those....

Y maik, bienvenido. El transplante sera algo complicado si te vas por la ruta "fuel inyected" ya que tendras que unir ciertos cables de la compu del mustang a la del 240. No es imposible, ya que muchos lo han hecho aqui (aun que con otros motores). Como ya te dijeron todos, los mayores obstaculos seran la flecha, las monturas para transmision y motor (para que se alinie con el hoyo de la palanca de cambios) y pues el alambrado si te vas con efi. Mantenos informados!!

[maik21]

bueno mira.. no se mucho ingles, pero lo ke quise decir ke en muchos yunkes (carros chocados) me dijeron ke la flecha de la transmision del 302 se puede cortar y unir a la flecha del 240sx para no tener que cambiar el diferencial... tambien al hacer la union.. pues te explicare... lo hacen en un torno... asi como cuando tu cambias pistones que te reparan el cilindro etc.. el trabajo es perfecto y libre de fallas.... por otro lado, el peso del vehiculo no es tanto, como para que la flecha se vaya a dessoldar!! =) bueno eso es todo chingon =))))

for all that think that this swap is bad or not good!!... maybe yes.. maybe not

i hope that the motor will installed near to 31 dicember 2004 =))), i am recolect information about swap ... i dont put my money into trash!!.... maybe some of you think that a 302 is a worse engine or a bad idea... but you are in usa... .. when you receive one dolar, i am receive 1 peso.....1 dollar = 11.5 pesos ......... now, do you understand why am put a 302?? i like the r33 engines... the 300zx engines... i like the big engines... but the cost for me, and the swaps are very expensive!!!..... some people americans have the rb26 into your 240sx.... but a little more people of yours... have the sr20det... all of us are in usa and get the money in dollars, but only a little can buy an rb26det for cars!! =)))) i want to be one of yours... but now.. i work with 302 =))) maybe later i buy other car and do a better swap =)))

[Ubernoober]

The 240SX is the LEAST fuel efficient compact I have ever driven. My 4.6L Saleen gets 22 highway, the 240 barely 20. So please don't bark about the efficiencies of imports over domestics, you are just spreading misinformation. Every engine has its merits. From a Ferrari V12 right on down to the 1600CC VW.

Any competent driveshaft shop can either mate the Ford yoke to the Nissan driveshaft or the Nissan rear bolt plate to the Ford driveshaft. Its not difficult and you will end up with a premium fit with maximum strength.

A 302 with a carburator won't be as efficient as EFI, but is a MUCH easier install and can make excellent power at half the price. I would recomment putting the carb motor in and getting it running. From there you can convert to EFI if you really feel the need.

[Chingon]

The 240SX is the LEAST fuel efficient compact I have ever driven. My 4.6L Saleen gets 22 highway, the 240 barely 20. So please don't bark about the efficiencies of imports over domestics, you are just spreading misinformation. Every engine has its merits. From a Ferrari V12 right on down to the 1600CC VW.

Any competent driveshaft shop can either mate the Ford yoke to the Nissan driveshaft or the Nissan rear bolt plate to the Ford driveshaft. Its not difficult and you will end up with a premium fit with maximum strength.

A 302 with a carburator won't be as efficient as EFI, but is a MUCH easier install and can make excellent power at half the price. I would recomment putting the carb motor in and getting it running. From there you can convert to EFI if you really feel the need.

what you gonna do, stupid noobs spew bull**** like it's gospel.

[maik21]

i like the idea of install an efi motor, and today go to some junk yard, but no one has the ecu for the efi motor... tomorrow, i go to other junk yard to ask for it. =) . but i see that the efi motor is a little big than the carburated... a little tall.

[Ubernoober]

The EFI is taller because of the design of the lower/upper intake manifold. In the end, you will find that the height of the EFI will be nearly the same as that of a carburator with filter on top.

[Dirtylou]

Carbs aka giant fuel leak.lol. I'f I'd were to ever put a V8 in a 240, I go with an LS1 or LT1. EFI is da shizznit.

[Ubernoober]

Yes, thank you for adding something useful to the conversation..........

[frapjap]

^^ thats great. Anyway, though the carb may be easier to tune, but the efi is, in my opinion better to have a hold of. Every time you get a new part (cam, valve springs, intake manifold, you'd have to retune it with a carb. However, the computer, for the most part, will adjust til about 300 hp. (not spewing crap, ours held to a little over that without MAJOR problems. Plus, you can dyno tune it vs. a specialist in carbeurators.

[maik21]

in my city, theres a lot of good specialist in carburator!!! =) but i think that the major option is the efi sistem... today i was go to the other junk yard but theire hasnt the ecu too!! =( i try to find it before purchase the efi engine!! and theire send me to other side to find the ecu... on monday i go to that site .. i hope that them has the ecu =)

[maik21]

i have other question about the swap.. some mechanicals told me that the transmision is good for the hole in the chasis... it will fit well.. but i dont know if it will fit..... i think that the transmision of the v8 is a more big than the v4

[BadMojo]

Also, I don't even have the slightest desire to drive a Cobra or Viper when I know I can get into an Evo, 300zx, or a 240 with a nicely tuned CA18DET.

I'd give you three Evo's, 2 300zx's and a half dozen 240's in trade for a *real* AC 427 Cobra. How can you not like over 400 hp in a car that barely weighs over 2000lbs?

Oh, and are you sure people buy the Evo for reliability? Did you just mention a Mitsubishi vehicle and "reliability" in the same sentence without using the word "abysmal"?

Anyway, the carbed 302 sounds like it would be a really fun project car. Good luck!

[maik21]

thanks badmojo =)

[maik21]

in 1996, i have a nissan lucino gsr (sr20de) and was an good car.. well... the car was not my, it has a father's car, but its the same... ... the point is.. that the car start to fail.... mechanical fail... and the nissan dealer cant repair the motor, and they say to my father that a new motor cost about 11,200 bucks and it will buy directly from japan.. and the motor will be in mexico in 15 days.... well... that thing dont like me... thats way i dont swap for an sr20de... here .. in mexico.. the nissan dealer dont sell the parts for that motor.. and the parts are so expensive !! thats say me to swap to a 302 =)))sr20de = expensive parts...sr20de = no parts in mexico

[Ubernoober]

The dimensions for the T-5 used behind the 302 are very close to the Nissan transmission. Take out a tape measure and double check. The most important thing to look for is the location of the shifter and the dimentions of the bellhousing. You want to make sure the bellhousing doesn't hit the firewall and that the shifter comes up through the hole properly.