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qsiguy

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1994 Infiniti Q45 Turbo
Phoenix AZ
3-20-2005
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My oil system starts with an oil filter sandwich plate. I have a braided 1/4 line from that into a brass T with a pressure sending unit for my dash oil pressure gauge. From there it goes into a needle valve then via 1/4" ID tranny hose to the rear into a 1/4" stainless steel check valve (prob. not necessary but I'd heard a few people used them and I had this one), after that it goes into another ss braided 1/4" line into the turbo inlet. Turbo outlet goes into 3/8" tranny cooler line up into the trunk into the oil scavenge pump then out back up to the front into a modified glass fuel filter I am using as a sight glass to verify oil flow, then it goes into a brass fitting mounted on in the passenger side valve cover near the filler cap. As far as electrical, I have it wired through a relay directly to the battery with an 8 gauge wire I ran to the trunk. It doesn't need to be that big but I wanted to be able to add stuff later. The relay is switched on when the ignition is in the ON position. I also have a variable timer circuit set to about 30 seconds which keeps the oil pump running after I turn off the key to drain the oil from the turbo. I set this time by shutting down the car with the pump still on and watched the sight glass until oil stopped flowing...took about 30 seconds.How I "tuned" my oil system was leave off the drain hose from the pump but the feed line was complete with the needle valve closed. I started the motor and slowly opened the needle valve and monitored oil flow out of the turbo. I had the oil drain going into a 2 liter pop bottle. It didn't take opening the valve very far to get a steady flow at idle. Oil pressure is pretty low at idle and I wanted to set it up to have low but steady flow at idle. At cruise I have about 70-80 PSI of oil pressure so there is much more oil feeding the turbo when the RPMs are up. I have never noticed any smoke from oil in the turbo and flow is always good when I have checked it (which I do often).
 1994 Infiniti Q45 Turbo
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T45

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Be sure to keep an eye on the shurflo. I worked on a lot of boats and they fail a lot. I am pretty sure the salt water/air environment has a lot to do with it, but nevertheless I have replaced some that were only a few months old. Just my exp with them, hopefully running oil and being in a dry, salt free environment will lead to long life for yours.
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qsiguy

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1994 Infiniti Q45 Turbo
Phoenix AZ
3-20-2005
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Thanks, I do check it almost daily. I used it because I read good reports about it from other rear mount turbo users and the budget was pretty tight for the original install. If I ever need to replace it I will most likely go with something like the Mocal model. There are a few on the market that have a heat sink on the motor, I'd like that. It does get pretty hot.EDIT: I just remembered something about how STS does their scavenge pumps. I can't confirm this but it looks like they use a Hobbs pressure switch to activate a warning light or something if the pump fails. The Hobbs switch is just before the oil pump in all their installs. If the pump stops the pressure in the line between the pump and turbo should go up rapidly. I think I will add one of these 
Here's a pump that would work too from Summit Racing, it's a tranny/diff oil cooler pump. http://store.summitracing.com/...w=sku
Modified by qsiguy at 10:15 AM 6/6/2008
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npez

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1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (soon 2B twin-turbo 450ZX) 2002 BMW M3 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Mama)
Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Re: (qsiguy) | 9:17 AM 6/6/2008 |
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Shane,Thanks for the information. So the needle valve is on the turbo's oil inlet side and is used as the restrictor. I must've misunderstood that it was on the return side and hence my original question. Sorry for the confusion. So you ended up teeing off of the sandwitch plate versus the stock oil pressure sending unit location? Please advise and thanks again for all the help..... Nick.
1993 300ZX Twin-Turbo soon to be 450ZX Twin-Turbo (Oxford Gray) 2002 BMW M3 (Imola Red) 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Hey the kids have to ride somewhere!)
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qsiguy

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1994 Infiniti Q45 Turbo
Phoenix AZ
3-20-2005
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Yes oil filter plate was really easy in my case, first thought was to use the pressure sending unit but it was more difficult to access and I was told the threads were uncommon.Here's a shot of the pressure sending unit and needle valve and the oil filter sandwich plate.
 
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qsiguy

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1994 Infiniti Q45 Turbo
Phoenix AZ
3-20-2005
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Oh, by the way, I ordered a Moates Ostrich 2 last night, Looking forward to real time tuning I'll let you know how it works.
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npez

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1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (soon 2B twin-turbo 450ZX) 2002 BMW M3 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Mama)
Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Re: (qsiguy) | 5:20 PM 6/6/2008 |
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Thanks Shane. That looks really sweet. BTW - where did you end up purchasing your sandwitch plate for your oil filter setup? I found one but was curious on what you ended up using and if you've had good luck with it.Awesome on the ostrich2 as well. Let me know how it works out - I'm waiting until after father's day before I go buying anything just in case I get something from the kids. Thanks again. Nick.
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Carl H
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1995 240SX SE RB20DET Powered!, 1995 Jaguar XJR...needs paint.
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8-4-2003
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perhaps consider using an oil plate with a thermostat for an external oil cooler, the vh is a good engine but all engines benifit from stable oil temps. twin turbos are not going to help oil temps any either... i'd sudgest the greddy plate, its pretty cheap (80$) and has 4 different ports for pressure supplies to a cooler as well as temp or pressure sensors.
SHift_BOOM. Damnit. Doing an RB2X swap and scared of the wiring? Check out my thread in the RB section. Now offering VH and SR/KA/CA conversions!
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npez

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1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (soon 2B twin-turbo 450ZX) 2002 BMW M3 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Mama)
Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Re: (Carl H) | 7:19 PM 6/6/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Carl H » | perhaps consider using an oil plate with a thermostat for an external oil cooler, the vh is a good engine but all engines benifit from stable oil temps. twin turbos are not going to help oil temps any either... i'd sudgest the greddy plate, its pretty cheap (80$) and has 4 different ports for pressure supplies to a cooler as well as temp or pressure sensors. |
Thanks Carl. Do you have the part# for the greddy plate or should I just look for the greddy plate for a 300zx? I believe they're the same if I'm not mistaken.Please advise. Thanks, Nick.
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has gone up in price... http://www.240sxmotoring.com/groilcoadw.html
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craigztoyz

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90 300ZX VH45 95 J30 90 rx7 lots of cars older then me.
Austin TX
1-18-2008
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| « Re: Update - Engine Mounts Complete! (npez) | 10:25 PM 6/6/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by npez » | | Hello Everyone, Just a quick update. Craigztoyz came over this afternoon and after a lot of work we got the crossmember modified and the engine back in and mounted. Everything lined up perfectly and we did the cruise control bracket mod as well. After this process it appears that the factory power steering pump will not fit (sway bar clearance issue). Thinking about electric p/s from MR2 or similar - if anyone has any other recommendations for this I'd love to hear them. I've got to do some cleanup work and re-spray the cross-member, and then I'll take pictures and post. Sometime next week I should be receiving the 555cc injectors, orings, and hicas eliminator and will install the hicas eliminator the rest will wait for another couple of weeks or so. The turbos are going to end up in the nose of the car as it is impossible to get plumbing to run the air filters from the turbos in a sidemount orientation (the turbos have 4" inlets so there is no cast small radius elbow to accomodate the restriction). So with that said, I will design a bracket to hang them and then will tow the car sometime next week to have the manifolds and exhaust system done. Once complete (this will actually take 1-2 weeks for the full exhaust with tie ins to the factory exhaust) I will have a 2.5 inch turbo bypass pipe with a turbo inlet flange on one side and a 5-bolt flange on the other fabricated, so I can remove the turbos and run the car initially in normally aspirated form. During this time, I will try to order the rest of the parts I need in order to get the car running (fan controller, water pump pulley, hoses, belts, etc.) as well as some phase 2A parts (scavenging pump, nistune, ostrich2) with the phase 2a parts needing to wait until after father's day. That's the plan at least. I'll keep you updated with the progress being made and will post pictures when I take some more. Thanks again to Craig for all the hard work, a very long night, and a job well done! Thanks, Nick. |
Nick, It was fun, tiring, but fun. got home about 6:30 am, flying about 95. I was up 26 hours in the end, but all worthwhile. I am very happy with the mounts, and sure that even with what you are throwing at it, (Guys, to see the compressors on these turbo's in hand, DAMN) I am sure that the mounts are not going to be a problem. Wish I had brought a small grinder (1 1/2") to get it really cleaned up in the small areas. But oh well, I can see how much pride you take in that beautiful car, and am sure you will enjoy the time spent. On the car- WOW. the hood has never been off the car- factory seal on mounts. very clean, and sweet exhaust tips. rims n tires, are a really nice choice. Garage- Very uncomfortable, horrible working, conditions, Yeah right. Funny I am in there grinding away at 2 am, windows open, a/c on, relaxing, standing looking at the mounts at eye height. Agh to be so lucky... and most of all, on having a wife, who is ok with all this, and buys you that lift, and that was before you blew the motor. Lucky, and the girls of course, adorable. Thanx again, and well, sorry my son is a handful. This is going to be a very wicked car. I can't wait to take it for a spin. Thanx again, for the fun, and I will be in touch later in weekend. Craig
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npez

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1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (soon 2B twin-turbo 450ZX) 2002 BMW M3 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Mama)
Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Re: Update - Engine Mounts Complete! (craigztoyz) | 10:35 PM 6/6/2008 |
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Craig,Thanks again brother - I'm glad you made it home safe; and thank you for the compliments. No worries on the welds, I'll clean everything up before I spray the cross-member and take some photos. I liked your son as well - definitely full of energy! BTW, when it's all done you can come down and take her for a spin - bring a change of underwear I've got a feeling that I'm going to have traction issues when it's all said and done, but hey that's just another challenge to overcome - maybe some 60-80 treadwear tires will begin to help over the 220s that I've got on there now..... Thanks again for the awesome work - and it was nice to finally meet you in person.... Nick.
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npez

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1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (soon 2B twin-turbo 450ZX) 2002 BMW M3 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Mama)
Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Re: (Carl H) | 10:42 PM 6/6/2008 |
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Very sweet! I'm going to have to snatch one of these up. I'll probably plumb the TT oil cooler though a little small to start off with and then go from there as I implement the various turbo phases.Thanks a bunch for locating the part for me. Nick.
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qsiguy

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1994 Infiniti Q45 Turbo
Phoenix AZ
3-20-2005
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Found the oil filter sandwich plate on e-bay. Nothing special. It's worked fine, no problems or complaints. It has 4 outputs available on it.
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npez

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1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (soon 2B twin-turbo 450ZX) 2002 BMW M3 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Mama)
Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Re: (qsiguy) | 11:12 AM 6/9/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by qsiguy » | | Found the oil filter sandwich plate on e-bay. Nothing special. It's worked fine, no problems or complaints. It has 4 outputs available on it. |
Thanks Shane. Did your's have the thermostat that Carl mentioned in it Sounds like a good feature to have.....Please advise. Thanks, Nick.
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npez

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1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (soon 2B twin-turbo 450ZX) 2002 BMW M3 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Mama)
Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Quick Update | 10:28 PM 6/11/2008 |
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Received my 555 (615) cc rotary injectors and HICAS eliminator kit from Z1 motorsports. Also picked up a water pump pulley today to end that headache. I'll be buying the MAF sensor today/tomorrow to complete the immediate needs.My friend is coming over tomorrow so we can weld some brackets to mount the turbos in the nose and also modify the P/S bracket to get the VH P/S pump situated. My oilpan should be arriving from Craig's tomorrow so I'll pull the motor sometime on Friday to put it in, swap the mazworx adapter, clean up and paint the crossmember (I'll post PICs of this) and then put everything back together again. I also located some K&N filters that stand about 4.5 inches from flange to tip with 4" diameter inlets. This scenario allows the turbos to be mounted in the nose and the front of the filters to clear the bumper support. Once we get the brackets fabbed, I can finally flatbed the car over to the exhaust place to have the manifolds, etc. TIG'd up and all the cross-connects to the factory exhaust system completed. I'll post some pictures once we have the turbos mounted up, and then of the manifolds once they're done. Nick.
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craigztoyz

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90 300ZX VH45 95 J30 90 rx7 lots of cars older then me.
Austin TX
1-18-2008
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| « Re: Quick Update (npez) | 11:09 PM 6/11/2008 |
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Sweet, Cuz, I only took a few pics, and yours came out Strong as hell, and was super impressed with the final fit/angle for the mounts. But weld splatter was a PITA to get cleaned out of tight areas. Remember, dont grind down too much, Strength is what matters. I love how strong that plate is. I am using it on a few other projects too.
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npez

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1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (soon 2B twin-turbo 450ZX) 2002 BMW M3 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Mama)
Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Re: Quick Update (npez) | 12:47 AM 6/12/2008 |
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So I sat down and bought the rest of the stainless flanges, 4 stainless flex pipes to accomodate motor torque with the fixed mount turbos so I'll have everything in time for the rest of the exhaust fabrication. I also picked up a nice MAF for a good price. But at the end of the day OMG just the stainless flanges and parts needed for the exhaust have already added up to over $300 that doesn't include the fab work that still needs to be done.Anyway after my little spending spree I think I better go to bed before I get myself in trouble with my wife Nick.
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6-9-2006
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HUH? You're just getting started!!! lol Wait, it gets better. I quit counting after the engine was bolted in and have probably spent over 1k in b.s. just to get it complete. Infiniti parts are not cheap. New plugs, belts, hoses and then the headache of making new p.s. lines, ac lines, radiator hoses, etc. You have a long way to go. Save the pennies and don't let the ol lady know what's goin down in the air conditioned man room. 
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1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (soon 2B twin-turbo 450ZX) 2002 BMW M3 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Mama)
Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Re: (T45) | 8:43 AM 6/12/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by T45 » | | HUH? You're just getting started!!! lol Wait, it gets better. I quit counting after the engine was bolted in and have probably spent over 1k in b.s. just to get it complete. Infiniti parts are not cheap. New plugs, belts, hoses and then the headache of making new p.s. lines, ac lines, radiator hoses, etc. |
Oh, I know what you mean. I've got a spreadsheet outlining all the expected parts needed with estimated budgetary pricing on what they will cost. For some reason last night when I was buying more flanges to design the exhaust so it's "modular", it caught me off guard - I don't know why - maybe I was just tired.Anyway, I had budgeted $11K to get me through to the end of phase 2b. With Phase 1 being around $4K, Phase 2A adding another $3K, and Phase 2B adding another $4K. These #s were based on me having a lot of the parts needed already (i.e. Nismo Injectors, RPS segmented flywheel & RPS clutch, Howe racing radiator & SPAL fan, etc.). I still think I will need to add a 15-20% contingency just to be safe though. I still think that for the money you cannot beat this value. Before starting to go down this route, I had estimates done by Z1 and SGP racing to have a VG30DETT "built" with everything needed to produce around 550RWHP - the quotes came in at around $14K; so for a little less money I'm going to end up with more HP and more importantly a torque curve the 6 cyl will envy. My wife is *very* cool with everything - she just likes to understand costs so there are no surprises. After all she's the one that manages all the day to day finances in the household I'm now starting to get anxious to get this thing done so I can start it up..... I think we're getting really close to being there. Thanks, Nick.
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Hahah Nick, along with the better torque curve and more HP, you're also going to have a weight reduction over using the VG30DETT 
Nissan VH V8 > your preferred engine.
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qsiguy

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1994 Infiniti Q45 Turbo
Phoenix AZ
3-20-2005
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I'm going to have to advise to hold off on the Ostrich 2. I can't get it to work yet and haven't been able to get any support via email or phone for 3 days. Read on their forums about many having he same problem including Jeff Taylor and no solutions mentioned. I'll let you know if I make any progress.
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| « Re: (Mettler) | 4:40 AM 6/14/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Mettler » | Hahah Nick, along with the better torque curve and more HP, you're also going to have a weight reduction over using the VG30DETT  |
Make that a massive one too!!! The VG30DE weighed a lot compared to the VH, I could tell just pushing it around on the engine hoist. I can't imagine the VG30DETT weighing in any less than 150-200 lbs more than the VH.
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npez

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1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (soon 2B twin-turbo 450ZX) 2002 BMW M3 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Mama)
Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Re: (qsiguy) | 10:19 AM 6/14/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by qsiguy » | | I'm going to have to advise to hold off on the Ostrich 2. I can't get it to work yet and haven't been able to get any support via email or phone for 3 days. Read on their forums about many having he same problem including Jeff Taylor and no solutions mentioned. I'll let you know if I make any progress. 
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Shane,Thanks for the feedback. I'll wait to hear from you until I go ahead and purchase (assuming this isn't my father's day present). What type of problems are you seeing? Thanks, Nick.
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qsiguy

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1994 Infiniti Q45 Turbo
Phoenix AZ
3-20-2005
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I can communicate with it via laptop, upload to it, etc. When it's plugged into the ECU it is not recognized at all that I can tell. The car will start but in limp mode. I haven't tried it but I would guess that's what it would do without any chip installed at all. With the Ostrich 2 plugged in to the ECU I can't even communicate using the consult to aid troubleshooting. I have tried many different settings within Tunerpro RT and nothing seems to work. Tried stacking two identical bins. Seems like it is burning the bin to the wrong area of the chip and I can't see how you would change it. The Ostrich doesn't have it's own software, it just uses Tunerpro RT or Emutil to upload to it. I have had zero luck so far with it. Worst part is the lack of timely support. I've loved the Burn1 I got from them and it's worked flawlessly but this is really making me grumpy.
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11-17-2006
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| « Re: (qsiguy) | 7:16 AM 6/15/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by qsiguy » | | I can communicate with it via laptop, upload to it, etc. When it's plugged into the ECU it is not recognized at all that I can tell. The car will start but in limp mode. I haven't tried it but I would guess that's what it would do without any chip installed at all. With the Ostrich 2 plugged in to the ECU I can't even communicate using the consult to aid troubleshooting. I have tried many different settings within Tunerpro RT and nothing seems to work. Tried stacking two identical bins. Seems like it is burning the bin to the wrong area of the chip and I can't see how you would change it. The Ostrich doesn't have it's own software, it just uses Tunerpro RT or Emutil to upload to it. I have had zero luck so far with it. Worst part is the lack of timely support. I've loved the Burn1 I got from them and it's worked flawlessly but this is really making me grumpy. |
Isn't Nistune capable of communicating with the ostrich directly as well?
- Stephen http://www.godspeed-racing.com
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npez

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1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (soon 2B twin-turbo 450ZX) 2002 BMW M3 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Mama)
Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Re: (qsiguy) | 9:53 AM 6/15/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by qsiguy » | | I can communicate with it via laptop, upload to it, etc. When it's plugged into the ECU it is not recognized at all that I can tell. The car will start but in limp mode. I haven't tried it but I would guess that's what it would do without any chip installed at all. With the Ostrich 2 plugged in to the ECU I can't even communicate using the consult to aid troubleshooting. I have tried many different settings within Tunerpro RT and nothing seems to work. Tried stacking two identical bins. Seems like it is burning the bin to the wrong area of the chip and I can't see how you would change it. The Ostrich doesn't have it's own software, it just uses Tunerpro RT or Emutil to upload to it. I have had zero luck so far with it. Worst part is the lack of timely support. I've loved the Burn1 I got from them and it's worked flawlessly but this is really making me grumpy. |
Shane,Happy Father's Day! My father's day brought me an Ostrich 2.0 (and you're right other than the Moates sticker and the invoice there was nothing else from an instructions perspective - I think I read some instructions online though), so if there's anything you would like for me to test on my setup (as a cross-check, etc.) please let me know. I still need to piece my car together enough to be able to get to this, but when it's done, I'll be available to lend a hand. I'm also going to call NisTune and ask them a lot of questions about the Ostrich 2.0 integration with NisTune *before* I buy that product. My plan is to piece the car back together, start it with the factory ECM, then install the Ostrich 2.0 and run the stock maps from the Ostrich. Once everything is working I will begin to "tweak" using NisTune. Just let me know how I can help. Thanks, Nick.
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sounds silly but did you plug it in wrong?
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npez

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Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Re: (qsiguy) | 10:19 AM 6/15/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by qsiguy » | | I can communicate with it via laptop, upload to it, etc. When it's plugged into the ECU it is not recognized at all that I can tell. The car will start but in limp mode. I haven't tried it but I would guess that's what it would do without any chip installed at all. With the Ostrich 2 plugged in to the ECU I can't even communicate using the consult to aid troubleshooting. I have tried many different settings within Tunerpro RT and nothing seems to work. Tried stacking two identical bins. Seems like it is burning the bin to the wrong area of the chip and I can't see how you would change it. The Ostrich doesn't have it's own software, it just uses Tunerpro RT or Emutil to upload to it. I have had zero luck so far with it. Worst part is the lack of timely support. I've loved the Burn1 I got from them and it's worked flawlessly but this is really making me grumpy. |
Shane,The CD is *packed* with stuff. From the documentation (hence no paper instructions) to TunerproRT software, USB drivers, etc. Some of this stuff you've mentioned that you already have, but if you like I can copy the CD somewhere where you can download it. Let me know if you want to do that. Thanks, Nick.
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1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (soon 2B twin-turbo 450ZX) 2002 BMW M3 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring (Mama)
Houston TX
8-30-2007
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| « Re: (qsiguy) | 1:11 AM 6/16/2008 |
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Shane,I plugged my Ostrich 2 in, laptop only, as the car isn't ready to receive it yet. Like you I can upload the bin to it, compare, etc. successfully. Out of curiosity, did you start off with the bins that mettler had posted like 2 years ago? I tracked my ECU down based on that nico thread to the 64u01 bin. I am also using the bin definition that was included in the bundle of files. Do you have an updated xdf file for Tunerpro? The one I have seems to have some items with "?" marks in them and I didn't know if there was something newer you found and are using. On where it writes to on the chip, does the hex editor in TunerPro help any? Mine shows data from 0000-7FFF for a total of 32K. I didn't see an offset setting either. I'm still a couple of weeks before I am in a position to attempt to start the car, but I thought I'd get started with this to accelerate the learning curve. An interesting thing is that Nistune has ECU lookup files - if one doesn't exist you can create your own - Much of the information can be gotten from the bin definition file. Some of the interesting parameters you can define are: OFFSET=&H<address>Specifies the memory address offset that the ROM image starts at in hexadecimal. For the following ECU types: 16KB ROM (27C128) = &H8000 (ECU mirrors this at &HC000 - ROM vector table) 32KB ROM (27C256/Early 16 bit) = &H8000 64KB ROM (Late 16 bit) = &H0000 LENGTH=&H<size>Specifies the memory address size of the ROM image in hexadecimal. For the following ECU types: 16KB ROM (27C128) = &H4000 32KB ROM (27C256/Early 16 bit) = &H8000 64KB ROM (Late 16 bit) = &H10000 CONSULT=&H<address>Location of the Nissan consult table for register access etc. etc. I think Nistune may make it easier to get Ostrich2 to work, but that's me speaking as a noob as I haven't been exposed to much of this until now. Thanks, Nick.
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I finally got a reply from Moates but the initial things to try didn't help. I emailed Jeff Taylor (a nico member) who also purchased one a while ago. He wasn't able to get his working either and ended up completely changing the ECU to one that he can do real time tuning with. Sounded like a major project. He has since returned his Ostrich 2 for a refund.I have a bunch of stuff for the ECU an no the BIN I'm starting with was not one I found on the web. I'm using my latest tune that I've been using on my car. I have tried a few others tho to make sure I didn't just have a corrupt file. I even tried stacking two identical bins but it appears to only let you load a 32K file as the hex file wasn't the same as the stacked BIN I uploaded. I have tried various offsets while writing to the Ostrich and it didn't help. I don't believe the problem is related to writing to the Ostrich, that part seems to work fine. I have tried Tunerpro RT as well as Emutil from the Tunerpro site. No luck with either. I can upload to the Ostrich and then pull the bin back off using the Moates Burn1 and view the hex code and it appears right except for some code from 0x200 to 0x7FFF. From 0x8000 and up it looks like it should. Communication is fine from computer to Ostrich, the problem is the ECU speaking to the Ostrich. Hopefully I can work out a solution with Moates assistance. I will be very disappointed if I can't get this working. I assume Moates can send the files or a new CD but if it's convenient I'd love to get a zip file of that CD. You've got mail...
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npez

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| « Re: (qsiguy) | 12:36 PM 6/16/2008 |
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Thanks Shane. You've got mail as well.....Nick.
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im pretty well versed in the ostrich and used the older one on my rb20 car several times to tune it...if you want i dont mind trying it out on there to see if i can get it to work.
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qsiguy

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I have a feeling it's got something to do with the Q45's ECU. Let me work with Moates a little more and see how it goes. I'll shoot you an email if I want to have you try that.
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npez

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| « Re: (qsiguy) | 9:51 PM 6/23/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by qsiguy » | | I have a feeling it's got something to do with the Q45's ECU. Let me work with Moates a little more and see how it goes. I'll shoot you an email if I want to have you try that. |
Shane,Have you come to any conclusions on the Ostrich2? Please advise. Thanks, Nick.
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Just received my socket booster today. I tried it tonight and it appears to be working, at least on the bench. I could not get it to work with my zif socket so I had to pull it and put a standard low profile socket, which should be fine as long as I don't have to keep changing EPROMS. I still need to try it in the car but so far so good!What's not good is pulling your chip/socket more than once. The tiny traces have a tendency to pull off the PCB during desoldering. I had to repair 3 separate traces that had broken, fortunately I found all the problem traces and got it working. 

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| « Re: (qsiguy) | 12:56 AM 6/24/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by qsiguy » | | Just received my socket booster today. I tried it tonight and it appears to be working, at least on the bench. I could not get it to work with my zif socket so I had to pull it and put a standard low profile socket, which should be fine as long as I don't have to keep changing EPROMS. I still need to try it in the car but so far so good! What's not good is pulling your chip/socket more than once. The tiny traces have a tendency to pull off the PCB during desoldering. I had to repair 3 separate traces that had broken, fortunately I found all the problem traces and got it working. |
Shane,That is fantastic news (other than the traces breaking)! Let me know what you find out once in the car! Thanks again for all your hard work with this.... Nick.
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Plugged it into the car tonight and it started up fine with no signs of any problems. I'll drive it tomorrow and should know for sure if all is well.
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qsiguy

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Drove into the office today, 37 miles, and all is well. Everything seems to be working as it should. I haven't tried any real time tuning but there is no reason that wouldn't work.Awesome!
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npez

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| « Re: (qsiguy) | 10:38 AM 6/25/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by qsiguy » | | Drove into the office today, 37 miles, and all is well. Everything seems to be working as it should. I haven't tried any real time tuning but there is no reason that wouldn't work. Awesome! |
That's Fantastic!
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