I put a deposit down on a new car today (BRZ)

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I'm completely in love with the BRZ.

It's a shame Nissan doesn't make an entry level, lightweight rwd sports car. Guess I'll have to be a Subaru fan now.

I like the subaru signature world rally blue color. I want a premium with 6 speed.
I'm not sure when they come in. I'm also not sure if they will accept my Subaru VIP discount (supplier discount from work). My deposit if refundable if things don't turn out how I want them to be.

Still, I'm pretty excited to be first on the list at my local dealership. Maybe they'll come out in may and I can get one in time for Carlisle?



*EDIT* Didn't get it in time for Carlisle.. but the wait was worth it. Here's my review after owning the car for 24 hours..

I picked up my car last night. LOVE IT!!! I can't imagine a better new car for $25k..(paid invoice for it )

So.. what do I think about the BRZ:
I won't try to use dazzling terms and talk about lots of technology.. I'm not expert enough to use those terms properly. I'll leave that to others who are more experienced and qualified. But I'll give my honest opinion and layman's terms..

This car was born to turn. I've got an idea in my mind to take a photo and add a caption to best explain what the car is like: I'm going to find a yellow road sign warning of curves ahead with a 15mph or 25mph speed warning.. then take a picture of the back end of the BRZ under the sign and add the caption.. "More Please!". I've never driven a car that is so willing to turn.


Subaru/Toyota did a fantastic job putting together an affordable sports car platform. They clearly had monetary constraints as they weren't building another STI or LFA or other supercar.. So you don't get the fire-breathing motor or the supercar technology. But, most of us can't afford that anyway.. So for the price, they presented the best car they could, and they gave us a fantastic value. They clearly put a lot of time and energy into perfecting a platform that will be an instant classic.


The car just lives to turn. For the duration of my hour long maiden voyage I found myself scanning ahead in hopes of seeing those wonderul "curvy road ahead" signs. Each time I saw one, my heart lept with joy. When you come up to a corner in a BRZ, you don't process the normal thoughts of "how much do I need to slow down before I enter the turn and how much speed will scrub off just from the process of making a turn?" In the BRZ, the tighter the turn the better.. Each one is a joy. You visualize the nose of the car turning in, turn the wheel and it instantly obeys your commands. It doesn't nose-dive, load the suspension, scrub the sidewalls and make you just hold on until you get through the turn.. Instead, it just dives in.. level, confident, balanced, and HAPPY to do it. It doesn't scrub off speed or threaten to oversteer.. it just turns. It's a go-kart!


This is certainly a change of pace from the prototypical sports car.. We're used to a product design that starts with engine power and adapts the rest of the car to work around that feature as well as it can. Some manufacturers are better at this than others of course.. With the BRZ, it seems like the engine was picked more for it's physical characteristics than it's power output. This has some benefits and some drawbacks of course. In case you didn't know already.. this car was born to turn. The lightweight, low to the ground boxer motor helps immensely in this goal. So if you find your joy in turning the wheel and carving through corners, this motor certainly helps put a smile on your face. If you find joy in that "push your head back" forward acceleration, you will be dissapointed with this motor. It's just not fast. Through very narrow gearing, it manages to feal peppy and just powerful enough to get you to the next set of corners, but it's not going to give you much fun in those straights. I'm a little dissapointed by the motor.. I have to admit. Though, I will also admit that I have been "breaking it in" easily. I'm still keeping it under 4k RPMS, so I know I haven't unlocked the "loves to rev" feature that others have bragged about. Still, I can tell by the feel of the 1k to 4k RPM range that this will not be a fast car in a straight line. At least not yet..


If you like to row gears, this car is for you! I believe Toyota had most of the influence on the clutch and transmission so I'll give them high praise and a little bit of a hard time. I've driven a lot of manual transmission cars in the past and I've needed to do "short-shifter" modifications in some prior cars I've owned in order to clean up the throws. This car needs no short shifter kit.. any shorter and you would be using the trackball on a laptop computer to select gears. In stock form the throw from gear to gear seems little more than moving a mouse from the top of your screen to the bottom. It's fantastic! The gates are clear and defined with little concern for missing a gear. The motions are fluid from 2-3 and 4-5 and vice versa so you don't feel like you are hunting to find the right gate. I'm still getting used to the position and throws and I'm sure this will only continue to get better. The clutch is great.. very light. I can see adding power in the future and adding a heavier clutch to harness it.. but for the 150ft lbs in oem form.. the clutch feel is great. Engagement is a little high on the pedal, but then you get to it quicker, so that's a time saving feature as well and should lend to better performance driving.


Despite all the positives on the trans/clutch/shifter.. I do have a compaint. Again this is my personal feeling, and may not be a very valid "technical" or "expert" opinion. I think the gearing is much too short. I understand that short gearing can compensate for a less powerful engine.. I get that.. It's true that the engine is weak, and longer gearing would make that feel a little worse.. But I'd prefer it that way.. I've already resigned myself to the idea that this car is no mustang in the straights. For normal driving, you just have to shift too often. I suspect I'll start the habit of skipping gears for certain times in daily driving. I haven't driven it faster than 60 so far.. no highway cruising yet.. so I can't say first had that it winds up too high for highway driving.. But I can say that it has more than enough usable torque to drive in the 50mph range in 6th gear.. What that means to me is that 6th gear is wasted.. Make it an old fashioned "overdrive".. A gear that has a low enough ratio that you can cruise on the highway at 65 to 75 mph in the lowest usable revs. I have no problem down shifting to pass or if I'm heading up a steep grade. I see no reason why the motor couldn't sustain 2400 rpms at 70mph.. why does it need to be over 3000? I know I didn't buy a Prius.. so I'm not expecting 45 mpg.. but still.. I'll never use 6th gear on the racetrack, so I see no need to keep the consistently short gear ratios all the way through to 6th.. make it more efficient! From what I've read recently, it sounds like it may be possible to direct swap a 3.7 rear end in place of the current 4.1. That might be an excellent cure! Not only will it make the car more fuel efficient for now, but as we increase engine power, the short gearing issue will only compound my frustration.. having more power will lesson the need to make the car seam fast through gearing.. longer gears will then make it more usable. I think this may be a very good fix. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7190


The ride is nice for a sports car.. It doesn't seem to make the same trade-off as many sports cars.. You normally need an ultra-firm suspension to make a car handle like this.. The BRZ somehow doesn't. It's no Lexus or Cadillac to be sure. You feel the bumps.. It's not going to be a relaxing cruiser that gobbles up the miles in serenity and peace and quiet. But that's not what I bought the car for.. It's comfortable enough that I don't dread driving on rough city streets. I bought the car for fun.. I can daily drive this car.


The size of this car is surprising to me. I've seen at car shows a few times and I've seen the comparisons to other vehicles (ie.. miata, gen coupe, etc..). From the outside, it seems smaller in person than what I was expecting.. but it doesn't strangely small either. It's a nice tight little package. From the inside, it's surprisingly spacious in the front seats. I was shocked at how much lateral space there is in the cabin. Unlike a miata.. I have a ton of space between myself and the door. Plenty of head room.. no worry there. They really perfected the seating position within the ****pit. It's perfect. You wear the car like a glove, but don't feel like you need a shoehorn to fit inside. The front seats are really well bolstered. I'm a big guy (nearly 275lbs), but I fit in the seats just fine. If I were much shorter than 6', I would probably find them uncomfortable, but I'm tall enough that they seats widen out around my shoulders and really do fit be very well. I think the only complaint I might have with the seats is that my left leg feels a little tight with the thigh bolsters on the seat bottom. It's not bad though. The back seat on the other hand... smaller than I expected and I have seen a lot of pictures, so I thought I was prepared for it. Still, my 3 year old and 6 year old boys will fit in there and I don't think they will complain. The trunk is wide and long, and the seats fold down nicely. However, it's still a very small trunk.. mostly due to height.. it's just not a tall trunk at all.


I'm pleased with the quality of the interior. I opted for the premium because I didn't feel that alcantera, heated seats, spoiler, and auto-climate control and keyless start were worth the upgrades for my taste. I think the cloth seats are fantastic.. they do not feel cheap at all. I like the manual climate controls.. I hate how auto-controls seem to always want to have the a/c compressor on. Manual is best for me personally. The Nav system seems more responsive than the demo video I saw in another thread. It's not as quick as my touchscreen phone of course.. but I didn't find it to be frustratingly slow to respond. I was relieved of that. I haven't messed around with the blu-tooth sync yet or anything really regarding the audio setting, etc.. So I'll report back on that later.


So what do I think of the overall package.. It's fanstic!!! For $25k, I can't imagine a much better product.. Sure, I'd like more torque and taller gears, but those are my only real complaints thus far. It's a great package.. a perfect platform. I've said this before, but I'll say it once more here.. I bought the car for the platform. I think it's the best thing out there under $30k. I think with another $10k in performance mods it will be the best thing out there for under $40k.. and perhaps even under $50k. If you buy a $50k car with a bad platform, you'll never really get anywhere with it. If you buy a $30k car with a fantastic platform, you can turn it into something really special. I look forward to that journey.



I'll edit this thread with pics and more details in the future.

Upcoming plans: Test fit some 18 x 9.5 wheels with adaptors.. I'm sure they won't fit, but it should be interesting to see what they look like anyway.
Exhaust.. I believe i'll be getting a prototype exhaust from BRM. I'm excited to see how that turns out.
Window tint.. probably just a light tint.. 50% maybe?


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I'm in love with the BRZ's sister, FRS. Wish I could be able to put a down a deposit on one.

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Oh snap!

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dre1507 wrote: I want to put a deposit on one, excuse me, in one.
FTFY

Congrats! Be sure to tell us how it is, and dont wreck it on the first day. I really like that color too

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Eikon wrote: Maybe they'll come out in may and I can get one in time for Carlisle?
I sure do hope so because I want to drive that!!!

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Eikon wrote:It's a shame Nissan doesn't make an entry level, lightweight rwd sports car.
:werd:

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Awaiting the arrival of the Toyota version here in Australia.
I am jealous.
Jesda style video review required within one week of ownership.

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About time, last car Toyota made I actually liked was the GS300.
Quick someone slap a S16 badge on it.

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Dittoz7 wrote:Quick someone slap a S16 badge on it.
Doesn't have enough torque to wear a Nissan badge.

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Eikon is that the color you requested? I like it!

Sidenote: Nissan does need to bring the S-chassis back.

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Hey, Nissan might not build an entry-level sports car, but at least they have stunning works of art like

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^ :rotfl

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+1 ^ :chuckle:

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Jesda wrote:Hey, Nissan might not build an entry-level sports car, but at least they have stunning works of art like

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That abomination makes me want to slash all of the tires and bust the windows out every time I see them at the dealership.

That ugly thing takes the ugly vehicle crown away from Pontiac:
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At least the Aztek was FUNCTIONAL.

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Every Murano cross-cabriolet comes with a certificate for a free botox treatment.

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The Nissan dealer on my way home always has a Murano CC sitting right out front. I think that's why their dealership has such poor sales. I always throw up in my mouth a little every time I pass by. :eek:

Seth, all I can say is TRAITOR! :mad: :chuckle:

Hope you end up getting it brother. I'm already very interested in seeing how they preform, so I may have to come pay a visit when you get it :biggrin:

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"May I have your attention please? May I have your attention please? Would the owner of a sunset bronze Nissan Murano CrossCabriolet please move your vehicle. It's not blocking anything, but it's so f*cking ugly that it's driving down property values."

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:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

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Encryptshun wrote:"May I have your attention please? May I have your attention please? Would the owner of a sunset bronze Nissan Murano CrossCabriolet please move your vehicle. It's not blocking anything, but it's so f*cking ugly that it's driving down property values."
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I started this thread with something beautiful (BRZ) and you jerks turn into something horrible and ugly (Murano 'vert and Aztec).


300ZXttZMAN wrote:Eikon is that the color you requested? I like it!
I don't technically have an order in.. I just have the first place in line.. First right of refusal is the best description. If the first one off the truck meets my desires, then I get it. If it's the wrong build or the wrong transmission or the wrong color, then I pass on it and become first in line for the next car to arrive.

I'm not 100% sure on color. I've seen the blue one in person at the Detroit auto show.. it's very nice! But I really like a nice dark gray, so I'd love to see that color in person. If it's as nice as it appears to be in that picture, the I'd probably take it over blue. I just don't want it to be too dark.. I've had too many black cars... Dark grey is nice, but if it looks black then I don't really want it.

It has to be a manual transmission.. that should go without saying.

I'd prefer the premium (Subaru's base model for the BRZ) over the limited.. I don't need to spend $2k for leather and push button start and those few other bells and whistles. Of course, they haven't released the actual pricing yet, so I'm just going on speculation. I assume the premium to be around $25k and the limited around $27k. The theory on the Scion FRS is that it will likely start at about $24k. I think the subaru will have HID's, standard NAV and a couple other things that should justify the $1000 difference.. again all speculation from the internet on price, so who knows.

I am also assuming that they will start arriving in dealerships around late May. That is another guess based on what the "net" is saying.

Another assumption is that they will honor the VIP pricing. I won't pay full sticker for a car when I have an employee discount that says I should pay invoice. If that's the case.. I'll wait a few months or a year until I can get at a lower price.

I have two final caveat's to deal with before I own the car.. First.. I have to be able to get out of my Subaru Outback XT Ltd. I bought it last fall and thought I got an amazing deal.. I paid $4k under nada retail price. Unfortunately, it appears that the retail values of this car and trade in as well.. have dropped sharply.. Last I checked they were down about $4k. :( So now I'm just hoping I can get out of the car for close to what I owe on it. Either that or I'd have to keep it until fall, when I assume values will increase again (it's awd, so they pull a premium just as winter comes around).
The second issue is with my wife's job hunt. I moved to Detroit for a new job.. the plan is for her to find a job up here and then we'll buy a house and sell the old house and live happily ever after.. well, there is no promise of any of that happening.. so things could get complicated and I might decide now isn't the best time to buy a new car... We'll see...

At least I have the first spot in line so that I have the option to get one if I'm able.


nissangirl74 wrote:I sure do hope so because I want to drive that!!!
Deal! You would be one of a very small and select group of people that I would let drive my first brand new sports car. I can promise that it would not be the lapping mule for everyone to try out at carlisle.. I don't want cone rash and I don't want to replace the tires right away.

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That's pretty awesome. I would THINK they would start hitting showroom floors slightly before your anticipated target, with full rollout by late May.

So uhh... the big question is if I'm on that list of yours ;)
I'LL LET YOU DRIVE TORRY!!

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I can't wait to test drive one. I will have to decide soon between the BRZ and a Genesis Coupe. I am jealous.

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I like the new Gen coupe as well, but it's supposed to be 3400 lbs at a minimum. While 275 hp is great, the extra weight hurts the cause a lot. Still.. it is a tough call.

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I saw these at the Chicago auto show over the weekend. The FRS/BRZ have an aggressive Maserati-inspired shark nose and rear haunches that remind me of the Ferrari California.

I absolutely adore these cars! They look like outstanding lightweight alternatives to the Mustang and Camaro.

Hey Mazda, where's your Miata coupe?
Encryptshun wrote:"May I have your attention please? May I have your attention please? Would the owner of a sunset bronze Nissan Murano CrossCabriolet please move your vehicle. It's not blocking anything, but it's so f*cking ugly that it's driving down property values."
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Jesda wrote:
Hey Mazda, where's your Miata coupe?
Christine has it
:couch

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PapaSmurf2k3 wrote:
Jesda wrote:
Hey Mazda, where's your Miata coupe?
Christine has it
:couch
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jC5MkGu7eU[/youtube]

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So I heard from a couple different dealers in the past couple days.. they both told me that they finally got an official communication from Subaru saying that they wouldn't take VIP on this car...

So I was starting to wonder if I wanted the car bad enough to pay MSRP or close to it...

Looks like they are only selling 600 cars per month in the US this year.. They are trying to keep it high demand apparently?

Anyhow.. I called one dealer to ask what their allocation was for the year.. (I'd been told anywhere from 2-6 cars from other dealers I had talked to). This guy said he didn't know yet.. so apparently they hadn't gotten the fax from corp saying no VIP and saying how many they would get. So I asked him if he know if VIP would be accepted.. he said probably because they always have in the past. They he proceeds to say, "Even if they don't, I guarantee you we will give you that price anyway". I asked again if I heard that correctly.. He says, "write it down.. my name is Ron and I promise you the car for invoice". I asked what time he opened the next day and said I would come in to visit and write up the order. .

So I got there this morning just after they opened.. He met me at his office and proceeds to say, "Damn.. I was hoping you weren't going to show up!" I asked why that was.. he said that they got a fax at the end of the day before (about an hour after we had talked) telling the dealership that they would not be honoring VIP, and they would only get 9 cars for the entire calendar year. He said his boss was going to kill him!!! I repeated his statement from the night before and asked him if he understood what that meant. He said that he would do it and get the boss to agree to it because he's the #1 sales guy at the dealership and gets a little extra scratch on the back from time to time when needed.

So.. I now have a second deposit down on a BRZ. The first one is completely refundable.. so before Thursday morning I will cancel that one. They are going to call me shortly and let me know that VIP won't be accepted anyway.. so I'll cancel out and get my money back on that.

The new deposit is only refundable if we find out pricing is substantially higher than expected.. We're thinking under $26k sticker price and then invoice is probably $1500 under that.. so I should be looking at $24.5 at most..


The only downside was that they offered me a pretty crummy trade price on my current Outback. So i'm going to sell it myself.

Anyone want an awesome AWD family wagon with the STI motor (small turbo though)..?

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Eikon wrote:I like the new Gen coupe as well, but it's supposed to be 3400 lbs at a minimum.
That's psychotic! Nearly has heavy as my Lincoln!

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Want to see it matched up against a Miata....

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Traitor. :D I finally get back into the Nissan\Infiniti line and you're getting another Subaru. :nono:

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Holy s***, Chopp...when did you get an F50?!

I'm reasonably jealous.


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