Dude sweet.. KA supercharger kit!!

[jrb92se]

that picture looks like a bad photshop job my friend matt could do better look closley at how the belt travels under the water neck in the pic it starts to twist then vanishes and looks like it ends up laying loose underneath the intake mani that isnt a real pic you can see where they edited it to where the intakemani bolts to the head it really isnt a good photochop ask thomas knight if he want someone to make some better fake pictures for him

Modified by jb96s14 at 10:23 AM 7/2/2006
Modified by jb96s14 at 10:24 AM 7/2/2006

[91RMKS13]

Ok I have word back from Thomas Knight along woth pics that I will post in a sec.

WHEN I MAKE POWER GAIN PREDICTIONS, I AM ALWAYS LOW ON MY NUMBERS. MY 2.5 V6 PROBE GT KIT STARTED AT A GAIN FROM 130 TO AN AVERAGE 215 WHEEL HP @ 6 PSI. BYRON, THE HEAD ENGINEER AT INJEN TECHNOLOGIES TOOK SEVERAL MONTHS THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR AND FINALLY REACHED 278 WHEEL HP AND 281 TQ @ 7-8 PSI BOOST ON HIS OWN 96 PGT USING THEIR IN-HOUSE DYNO. A SET OF HEADERS, 3" EXHAUST, 3" RANDOM CAT, PORTED EATON & MANIFOLD, WATER INJECTION, AND 3MM LARGER THROTTLE BODY DID THAT. THE KA24DE IS A VERY EFFICIENT ENGINE. I WILL GUESS WE WILL BE SEEING 250 WHEEL HP @ 8 PSI OR SO, AND OVER 300 AT HIGHER BOOST LEVELS WITH WATER INJECTION. OBVIOUSLY HEADERS, EXHAUST, MAXIMA MAF, ETC WILL BE REQUIRED. THE INTERCOOLER WILL ALSO ADD 25-30 MORE HP @ 10 PSI. JUST FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE UPPER MANIFOLD WILL BE CUSTOMIZED WITH TWIN PLENUMS AND EACH PLENUM WILL HAVE A 2.5" INLET ON IT. EACH INLET WILL GO TO A FMIC. WE DID THIS ON THE KLV6 AND THE 3000GT KITS AND SAW 40 EXTRA HP ON BOTH VEHICLES.

HERE IS HOW I USE AN FMIC WITH A ROOTS TYPE SUPERCHARGER. NOTE THE INLET AND OUTLET ON BOTH THE 3000GT AMND PROBE GT SUPERCHARGER MANIFOLD.THE PGT MANIFOLD--NOTE THE INLET AND OUTLETS ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE MANIFOLD.

WE WILL HAVE A KA24DE DYNO NEXT FRIDAY AND A SOHC KIT DYNOED SAT OR SUN. I DID NOT WANT TO ANNOUNCE IT YET, BUT WE HAVE DESIGNED AN ALTERNATOR MOUNTED BELT DRIVE TURBO (AM-BDT), AND WE HAVE FIT ONE TO A SOHC. IT WILL ACTUALLY WORK ON BOTH SOHC AND DOHC CARS, BUT IS BETTER ON A 5-SPEED BECAUSE OF THE CENTRIFUGAL BOOST RISING AS RPM INCREASES.

THE ALTIMA USES DIFFERENT PULLEYS, SO I WOULD HAVE TO SEE 5 OR MORE BUYERS FOR ME TO DESIGN A KIT. I OFFERED ONE A FEW YEARS BACK, AND NOBODY ORDERED ONE. THE SOHC IS ALREADY COVERED.

WE MUST CONSIDER THE FUEL QUALITY IN ALL 50 STAES. FLA HAS 93 OCTANE, BUT DENVER HAS ONLY 91 AVAILABLE--SAME WITH SALT LAKE CITY. SO RAISING BOOST WILL BE SIMPLE TO DO, BUT I WONT SHIP KITS WITH SMALLER PULLEYS--OR AT LEAST NOT NOW. I ALREADY HAVE THE ROUTING DESIGNED FOR THE IC. I MUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT SHOWING DETAILS INTIL WE HAVE SOLD 30-40 OF THESE. THERE IS ALREADY MENTION OF COPYING MY DESIGN ON SOME BOARDS ACCORDING TO SEVERAL NISSAN OWNERS I KNOW. THE EXACT PLACEMENT IS CRITICAL FOR EVERYTHING TO FIT, AND THAT TOOK ME A VERY LONG TIME--ABOUT THREE MONTHS TO GET IT JUST RIGHT.PARTS WILL INCLUDE THE MANIFOLD ADAPTER, THROTTLE BODY PLENUM, SUPERCHARGER, IDLER PULLEY BRACKET, IDLER PULLEY, BELT, FASTENERS, THROTTLE CABLE MOUNT, ISC MOUNT, GASKETS, AND INSTRUCTIONS. THAT KIT WILL BE RETAILED AT $2495 ONCE THESE THREE REMAINING KITS ARE GONE (WE SOLD ONE TODAY LOCALLY, AND TWO EARLIER). LARGER INJECTORS, MODDED SISTER BOARD ECU, AND GAUGES WILL ADD $500.

WE DO ALLOW FOR A LAYAWAY ON THESE FIRST FEW KITS. $200-$300 DEPOSIT WILL HOLD ONE TILL YOU PAY IT OFF. AS FOR BUILDING ONE BY COPYING, IT COSTS ABOUT $150 PER PART FOR THE CNC PROGRAMMING. THERE ARE TWO FLANGES FOR THE THROTTLE BODY, ONE FOR THE SUPERCHARGER TO MANIFOLD, AND ONE FOR THE TENSIONER/IDLER PULLEY BRACKET. UNLESS SOME HACK WANTS TO MAKE A KIT USING A CHEAP DRILL PRESS, GRINDER, AND SAWZ-ALL, THEY WILL SPEND SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS DOING THE CNC PROGRAM OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL IT IS PERFECT. THIS IS WHY I PROTECT MY DESIGNS UNTIL THERE ARE SO MANY OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE DO THE MATH AND REALIZE THEY CANT PRODUCE THE KIT FOR ANY LESS. IF SOMETHING IS LAZER CUT, OR CUT BY SAW, GRINDER, ETC, THE PORTS WILL NEED TO BE RADIUSED FOR GOOD FLOW. OUR CNC PRODUCTION KITS--THE ONES WE WILL SELL AFTER THE FIRST FEW ARE GONE--WILL HAVE RACE PORTING DONE ON THE MILLING MACHINE, AS WELL AS TAPPING & THREADING THE HOLES CORRECTLY. MAYBE AN OWNER OF A MACHINE SHOP CAN MAKE ONE FOR SLIGHTLY LESS THAN MY COST, BUT THIS IS NOT THE PROBLEM PERSON I AM SPEAKING OF. IT IS THE S.O.B. THAT BUYS A KIT, COPIES ALL THE PARTS, AND THEN OFFERS THE KIT FOR LESS BECAUSE ALL THE CNC DESIGN WORK IS ALREADY DONE. SCANNING AN OUTLINE WILL GET VERY CLOSE WITH MODERN SCANNING AUTOCAD PROGRAMS. I WILL HAVE 30-40 KITS ALREADY SOLD BEFORE THAT CAN HAPPEN, AND PEOPLE WILL KNOW RIGHT AWAY THAT IT IS MY DESIGN THEY COPIED, AND THEY HAVE NO IDEAS THEMSELVES. MOST BOARDS HAVE A FEW OF THESE GUYS ON THEM, AND THEY ARE THE FLAMERS OF ANY IDEAS THEY DID NOT THINK OF. SO GIVE IT A FEW WEEKS, AND YOU WILL HAVE PROVEN DYNO RUNS FROM 3-4 DIFFERENT CARS, AND THE SOHC AM-BDT SYSTEM WILL ALSO FIT THE DOHC AND WILL BE ABOUT $1800 WHOLESALE AND INCLUDES A BRAND NEW ALTERNATOR. JUST FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE, HERE ARE SOME BDT KITS WE ALREADY OFFER. TOP PICS ARE PROBE GT V6, SQ25 SPEC & ALTIMA,COUGAR V6, AND 3000GT V6:

And here is the Altima dyno. (if the above pics dont work i will try to have them up soon)

[7anshin]

Looks/sounds good from the dyno and description. Can't wait to see those pictures! I wish I knew about the kit for the altima.. My 98 would have loved some help.

What I was saying in my post is that if all these people are bragging about how easy/inexpensive it would be to do this then why are they not? Exactly.

I have to check out the BDT kit too. I know very little about anything except N/A. Only what I can read or see on the internet...

There will allways be people trying to steal your design, no matter what it is for. Like I said in another post if you put together a good, solid & safe system people will buy it unless the knock off is as good or somehow better. The beauty of that for Mr. Knight is how often have we seen a knock-off that was any good? It's rare.

I congradulate anyone who does this right and gets it out/available to us!

[wilfonzo]

"THAT KIT WILL BE RETAILED AT $2495""AND THE SOHC AM-BDT SYSTEM WILL ALSO FIT THE DOHC AND WILL BE ABOUT $1800 WHOLESALE "

... so that means a nico group buy deal of $1500, right?

[JesusLikesKFC]

anybody peice together a setup for under 500 diy sc? set aside abs module, oil filter, with the eaton m62 is it roomy?

[Florida240sx]

The price of this kit in my opinion is too much. With one night of test fitting you could make on e fit. I won't have my shop till this fall. I'm restricted because I have to work out in the weather. My main thign is that this Sc won't give much power past the 250hp mark. So no room for upgrade....

[corey240]

what is you had the sc and a t25 turbo?

[travisn]

or a sc and a t3t4

or a sc and a t66

[corey240]

its a serious question. can you do both? and would just a t25 get you some decent numbers in the 200 range? maybe 3? i honstly dont know thats why im asking...

[JesusLikesKFC]

ill try n get as much cash for my current car soon to sell. buy another s13, a variety of used parts n metal off ebay, and see what happens. not looking for high numbers. just a daily, dependable, fun beater that wont kill my pocket. plus it will be nice gaining experiance too.

[7anshin]

Wow I just looked at how many of us are from Florida in this post... Anyway, isn't South Florida Performance's web address http://www.sfp.net? I can't get it to load for some reason.

Wanted to have a look around.

[wilfonzo]

maybe superchargers are more redneck than turbos therefore subconciously we are more attracted to them

sorry for the spelling the public education system sucks in Fl

[emperor_lunchbox]

As jewish as the 240 crowd is.....

Are you incinuating that the 240 crowd is comprised of people who have big noses?

[corey240]

if thats true then my dad needs to buy a 240 god what a nose

[fluff-a-nutter240]

do you guys really trust a kit that has one picture of an engine with no components of the supercharger or am i the only anal one on this site?

i cant agree with u anymore...i wouldnt buy it

[emperor_lunchbox]

do you guys really trust a kit that has one picture of an engine with no components of the supercharger or am i the only anal one on this site?

^ Ha. He said anal.

[91RMKS13]

i cant agree with u anymore...i wouldnt buy it

In one of my posts Thomas Knight said why there is a lack of pics. It is because he does not want people to copy his design. If you dont believe his resoning behind this count the number of posters in this thread that said that talk about how easily they claim that they could make their own kit the same way.

[nismo dreaming]

Looks like a good idea, but price is sorta high for something you could do yourslef. Also, i didnt see a pully on that water pump either. Looks like its a 80% done kit to me. I wonder if they have even tested all of this or if this is just some starter kit That would def. be a tight fit inside the engine bay. Id love to see some videos of this thing go though!!

[HKSdrift3r]

so to in order for a DIY, would one use the tensior of the S/C belt off of the xterra. Btw, did Thomas Knight say that the stock crank pulley can be used for the truck as well??

thx, George

[SeVa-S13]

Are you incinuating that the 240 crowd is comprised of people who have big noses?

And all have jewfros, even the asian kids.

Don't deny it.

[emperor_lunchbox]

Jewfro's and Beaks, what a humorous combination. Like a 70's toucan or something.

[benemorius]

Cut the crap, bishes! I'm tired of checking this thread for more info only to find more talk about big noses and the already-explained lack of pictures.

[turbo300]

HELLO, THIS IS THOMAS GEOFF KNIGHT--THE CAPS C0MMANDO!!! My eyesight is poor so I cant read standard lettering well. I want to thank many of you for your good comments and questions, and ask those who give ignorant flames of my design and research to just chill and wait. I would guess most who criticize have never and will never actually design anything. I actually do the hard work, at $250/hr. My average kits are $4k, but I know many of you did not pay that much for your cars, so I decided to make a kit for the lesser fortunate car owners. There are some owners who have spent thousands making their car nice, so my statements are not aimed at you. It is aimed at the ignorant in this group who claim these kits are 'easy' to make. Once one of you receives and tries to copy the kit it may be easy, but placing the blower for optimum airflow, positioning for oil filter clearance, and having the CNC program drawn in Autocad is not the pennies your foolish statements seem to imply. I have over 100 hrs in the design. That is $25,000 of my shop time. I usually get a $5000 initial design fee, but because SpeedLab (mark) is a friend of mine, I waived that fee, Having offered these kits on Ebay for less than what they cost to produce shows how little many of you know about costs involved. To those who are uninformed and claim a supercharger will not make as much power as my SC kits will, just wait and see one at the track. While the peak power may be 4-5% higher with the turbo, the flat torque curve of the supercharger will smoke the puny T25 turbos and spank them like bad children. Now if you compare 10 psi to 10 psi, I will admit slightly lower numbers against a properly designed turbo kit. However, some who use junkyard parts may get close, but will never match a properly sized turbo, FMIC, manifold etc. Not brag--just fact. We have the test vehicle ready for the dyno tomorrow, so just hush your flaming until the facts come out.

Geoff Knight

[Kenrik]

Wow this is interesting.. hmm..

[GhostDriver]

Ok, I haven't read the whole thread but I dig the KA-R.

[7anshin]

Ok, I haven't read the whole thread but I dig the KA-R.

You should. You will find all the usual supercharger talk. Lots of arguing, insinuations, bitching about costs, claims that it can be done easy, general a$$, design theft talk, lack of patent arguments and no one can agree on anything it seems.

I love it. Soon we will see the dyno numbers and hopefully see some real pictures of the product as soon as it is released (I understand your issues here Mr. Knight).

I'm excited about the whole thing, I just can't wait to see if I can afford it once all is said and done.

Good luck with the dyno!

[BadMojo]

I'm excited about the whole thing, I just can't wait to see if I can afford it once all is said and done.

Good luck with the dyno!

Agreed. I can't wait to see how this all turns out. I hope the OP keeps us up to date.

[SeVa-S13]

I can't wait to see the intercooled setup.

[91RMKS13]

Here is my most recent responce from Mr.Knight

OK--WITH THE 550'S AND THE FIRST MAP WITH A/F RATIO AT 10.2:1, AND A STOCK CLUTCH THAT SLIPS LIKE CRAZY ON THE DYNO, WE SAW 198.6 HP AT 6500 RPM AND 199.2 TQ AT 3000RPM @ 7 PSI. SPUTTERS FROM BEING SO RICH WHICH GIVES A STRANGE DYNO CURVE. WE WILL TUNE IT BETTER FOR SMOOTHER GRAPHS. UNTIL WE TUNE IT CORRECTLY WE WONT KNOW, BUT I AM GUESSING 210-220 HP & TQ. BUT THE DRIVABILITY IS AWESOME. NO LAG, AND DRIFTS LIKE IT WAS BORN TO DO JUST THAT. AT IDLE IT IS COMPLETELY SILENT, AND AT W.O.T. THERE IS A SUBTLE WHINE. THE EXHAUST NOTE CHANGES DRAMATICALLY FROM THE HIGHER COMPRESSION (AN SC RAISES DYNAMIC COMPRESSION), AND THE CAR WILL DRIFT EFFORTLESSLY WITH ANY HEEL-TOE MODULATION NEEDED. THIS IS NOT EVEN OUR RACE PORTED SETUP--JUST BOLT ON STOCK NISSAN UNIT SO PEOPLE WHO BUY THE ADAPTERS SEPERATELY WILL HAVE REAL NUMBERS. ADDING ALCOHOL INJECTION WILL ADD ANOTHER 10-20 HP, SO WE COULD SEE 240-250 WHEEL TQ & HP ON A RACE PORTED MANIFOLD, ADAPTER, SUPERCHARGER, INJECTOR UPGRADES, HEADERS, AND EXHAUST ON A STOCK ENGINE AT 7-9 PSI.

[7anshin]

Running 550cc injectors (unless I am reading it wrong, which is possible), did you upgrade to a fuel pump that can handle that flow? From what I have read on the turbo forums (same injectors, same idea) this is something you can get away without doing, but not in the long run. Is that true? I could see in all logic how that would work out.

I'm glad to see the numbers up, looks like everything is coming along good especially for a first run. Sounds like once you get the tuning down and that sputter gone your going to be very close!

I'm excited, congradulations!