Your Thoughts: Iraq and war.

[AZhitman]

Good point Vimy - I read today that Mexico's Vicente Fox got a brushed aside as well... Sad, when you consider we need all the support we can get.

[RYNO_s13]

You know what's really frightening? Not the possibility of war or terrorism, it's the fact that some of you gease monkeys are more intelligent than the people we've elected to office. If you didn't spend so much money on your cars you'd be able to finance a campain for public office. Seriously though. I'm not going to give any commentary on current events, I just wanted to applaud you guys for presenting opinions that, while I may or may not agree, have obviously been very heavily thought out. And they call us stupid kids. Huh.....

[VimyJ]

Anyway folks I will probably delete this post in a few days, as my current employer does not encourage dissent and as soon as war starts, intelligent analysis may be considered to be uncomfortably close to"gving aid and comfort".

Fred...

Don't you dare delete this post. I'm rating this thread 5 stars just for that post.

[DAEDALUS]

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Immediate popular reaction in Baghdad on Saturday to the loss of the U.S. space shuttle Columbia and its seven-member crew -- including the first Israeli in space -- was that it was God's retribution.

"We are happy that it broke up," government employee Abdul Jabbar al-Quraishi said.

"God wants to show that his might is greater than the Americans. They have encroached on our country. God is avenging us," he said.

If there was an earthquake in Iraq, and Saddam and his entire cabinet were killed, do you think you would see any American government employees making similar comments for the Iraqi news? What a F-ed up place.

[WDRacing]

Sadam also stated that he would release 1000 suicide bombers if the US waged war on Iraq....I'd like to hear what the bleeding heart liberals have to say about that.

[VimyJ]

Sadam also stated that he would release 1000 suicide bombers if the US waged war on Iraq....I'd like to hear what the bleeding heart liberals have to say about that.

Well, it might be one reason not to fight a war if we don't have to.

[WDRacing]

I'm not about to say I've read all the posts in this thread. I've read quite a few. I agree with some and disagree with others. Since I'm in the Mil myself, I'm fairly biased towards going over to Iraq and not leaving until Saddam is dead along with his entire cabinet.

I have read quite a few great posts about why we shouldn't go to war with Iraq. But I haven't read any good solutions to the problem other then WAR.

What exactly are we suposed to do? Bare in mind I'm trying to be open minded.

[lessthanjakejohn]

hmm, I still have not voted. should we go to war? should we not?....

I think whatever we do we need to be stiff armed. You cant really dance into war. or Can you?

[Stoneage_Turbo]

"I'm not about to say I've read all the posts in this thread. I've read quite a few. I agree with some and disagree with others. Since I'm in the Mil myself, I'm fairly biased towards going over to Iraq and not leaving until Saddam is dead along with his entire cabinet."

good to see somemore fellow military here , but i dunno about this war , we really dont have the support we need from the other contrys and that worries me , push the wrong button and there could be a new un that would form as a alaince to defend themselves against us instaed of russia ...

but really something needs done , we cant have the crazy bastard supplying terrorists like he does and intends to do , guy is 90% talk anyway , i just hate to see any loss of life out of our forces , as you well know we in the military are all family so a loss strikes us a little harder than the averge armchair general , so im for war , i hate to see it as my date of seperation approches , id liek to get out but i dont wanna look like im a chicken and abandon the military when they need me most , im on a hell of a fencepost of morals here .....i just wanna go home , got 2 grandparents that are very sick and id like to spend more time withthem before its too late , and i miss cviliztion , alaska blows

[VimyJ]

I'm not about to say I've read all the posts in this thread. I've read quite a few. I agree with some and disagree with others. Since I'm in the Mil myself, I'm fairly biased towards going over to Iraq and not leaving until Saddam is dead along with his entire cabinet.

I have read quite a few great posts about why we shouldn't go to war with Iraq. But I haven't read any good solutions to the problem other then WAR.

What exactly are we suposed to do? Bare in mind I'm trying to be open minded.

I don't know if I should post this where you can read it, WD. I (and everyone else I daresay) want you primed and ready when/if you go to war. It's sometimes better to dance with the devil you know than the devil you don't. I simply do not trust W's motives or motivation. That said, Saddam is in violation of the UN and should be held to account if and only if the UN sanctions action.

W's handlers have choosen to take this course of action for reasons of which we can only guess. (Power grab is my bet. So GOP!) Will stomping Saddam's a** ultimately solve anything or are we having our attention diverted from more pressing issues at home and the war on terror? There was a fantastic post here on this forum about the trumped up charges being leveled at Saddam. Why are we being sold a bill of goods? This is a distraction or a diversion.

Is there another way? Well, we at least have to get the UN on board to have any legitiamcy at all and even this will spark global Islamic outrage. The inspectors must be given the chance to stick thier noses into everything. Get the traditional allies on board at least for crying out loud!

And, I just don't trust W.

However, if you do get he call to go, then go hard and take no prisoners.

PS My dad sent me a video file of an AC130 gunship inflicting unbelievable damage on an Al Qaeda base in Afghanistan. The perspective is the commanders actual night vision infrared display. Awesome and very, very, very scary. You see images of little glowing running blobs hit by cannon shells and literally blown into nonmoving glowing pieces. Pick off a truck here. Spare the mosque. Nail a figure hiding behind a berm and blow him over the top of it 30 feet so that he lands in 3 pieces. UnfuKkingbelievable!

[DAEDALUS]

Yeah, I saw that video too. Amazing. If you want to see the gore, go back to that "450 reasons" post, click on the link, and then back up one level higher than the "Bonnasses" folder. Then go into the "media" folder. That guy has that video on his server, all 34megs of it.

[lessthanjakejohn]

Ya that video is pretty amazing.

[WDRacing]

I've been in AFSOC with your Dad for the last 10 years. Small world huh. The AC is a bad *****, right up there with the A10 in my book. I'm sure I don't actually know your dad. Unless he's been stationed at Hurlburt Fld or over here at Kadena AB in Japan.

Anywho, no worries about being ready. All or nothing is the only way I do bussiness.

Oh and no one trusts the big W. We just do what we're told.

WD

[Mayhem_J30]

Is the AC the one that was used during the "Blackhawk Down" incident? even though it wasn't in the movie, but should have been.

[VimyJ]

Is the AC the one that was used during the "Blackhawk Down" incident? even though it wasn't in the movie, but should have been.

The politics of the time had US forces operating in a low profile. There was great reluctance from congress about becoming too heavily involved. This, among other things, meant no AC-130s. After seeing that video, I'm convinced the AC-130 would have been a great weapon to have in Mog. I had heard that it would have caused too much colateral damage if used. The gunships cannon precision wasn't pin point but it could have laid down surpressing fire that would have altered the crowd tactics that Somalies used throughout that campaign (the clip I saw didn't show any chain gun action). It's biggest asset would be it's invulnerability to RPG's. Getting the helicopters shot down was what screwed up the whole operation in the first place. The AC-130's motto is "You can run but you'll just die tired."

Which reminds me, the same crap is happening in Somalia right now so why isn't W concerned about that?

I think the US forces handled themselves excellently in that fight. Maybe the best outcome of that pitched battle is the number of young killer Rangers that will be the trainer's and leaders of the next generation coming up.

However, a lot of peole got killed. W & Co. better come up with some solid support for their cause 'cause they sure don't have it now with allies or evidence.

[JESTER]

WD, You wanted a solution. There is no solution until the Saddam is dead. A man that would use weapons of mass destruction on his own citizen, because he didn't like those particular type of people, and to make sure they work before he uses them on us or our alleys.

I honestly feel that his own people should do the job, so that we will not have to. But anyone that has the nads to do that was killed a long time ago.

Just my 2 cents.

[gh0stx]

Well then WD, look above.. Guess it's time to go do our job... (Blackhawk pilot in trainin <wocd cadet>) And If we are called to do it, We will... Those of you who will be sitting at home, watching c-span or whatnot, can take comfort that we are over there, doing what we are ordered to. Not saying that anyone on this post isn't patriotic, or that I am a warmonger, it's just my job.

WAR is an ugly thing, and it is sorrowly one of the few things we can do to alter something as far away as the middle east.. My views on strike-first, before another 9-11 are still sketchy, but I would rather nuke every motherfuccer to timbucktoo than loose any more family members, but hey, thats just me.

[WDRacing]

C-ya over there...Try not to get your 60 all shot up. Us crewchiefs really hate that.

[Stoneage_Turbo]

yup be careful dude , i agree with WD , try not to get all shot up , i dont want my firetrucks being driven/used if they dont have to , firemen are hell on trucks

on the reals tho , your the man , people like me will never likely see combat , and you willingly go forth and kick arse

[VimyJ]

Powell presented his "evidence" today and it didn't seem to change any minds on the Security Council but we'll see how it is digested in the next few days. It must really burn the hypernationalists to hear the Syrian ambassador say, "We (the Security Council) are the controlling authority when it comes to war." Hopefully, Blix will be able to take some of this new intelligence back to Iraq with the inspectors and get something substantial. There has been a lot made of the smoking gun but so far not even a gun has been found. "He said she said." I did like the British reminder of why the League of nations failed prior to WW2, however.

I think all can agree that war should be the last resort.

[FrEaK]

war was always meant as a last resort...

There is a certain president in power right now that needs to be reminded of that...

[lessthanjakejohn]

I thought that colin Powel's evidence was not conclusive because he couldn't name his sources, show pictures of Iraqi scientists (that he supposedly got info from). On the other hand I thought it was a good presentation and maybe the UN inspectors can do a better job because they have an idea of what to look out for. With only that evidence to back war I think that the chances are to great and there is no huge benefit to going to war.

Someone please remind me why we want to nuke saddam Sadam out?

[AZhitman]

Someone please remind me why we want to nuke Saddam out?

Hoo boy. This could take a while.

[lessthanjakejohn]

hahaa I know why

[FrEaK]

The problem is that, the only way it seems people are thinking is "Why are we nuking Saddam" Our first thoughts should be "Why should we not nuke saddam" think about it, people would certainly be surprised at the amount of reprecussions of an attack compared to the rewards...

[gh0stx]

K-Line him then....

[TrueSlide]

Ahh, this topic isnt locked any more, awesome!!!

Can someone explain to me whats going on now? They suppositly have "proof" of iraqi having missles? What type of missles? I mean all countries have missles, they need them for self protection.

And whats up with this Iraq and Anthrax ****?? Are they trying to sell stuff to the american public so war wont seem bad? And the photos, legit?

****, gas prices are on the rise too.

[lessthanjakejohn]

Basicly I think it goes like this.

Sadam is cuckoo. He has big "bad" weapons He "wants" to use weapons" We(or allies) don't want to get killed or hurt(firgurative and literal) by him.

The problem is whether he actually has this stuff, does he actually want to use it(or is he just playing games) and the United States and every other "good" country has missles and why should we have any more right to take him out of power as he has right to take us out of power (he may be trying already with "terroists") He has also violated "rules" set by the U.N. I don't know why he should have to follow "rules" but he better follow "rules" because....

[VimyJ]

Basicly I think it goes like this.

W is cuckoo. He has big "bad" weapons He "wants" to use weapons" We(or allies) don't want to get killed or hurt(firgurative and literal) by him.

Leftist thought in Iraq. (Sorry. Couldn't resist )

[RYNO_s13]

Just did my taxes last night. I owe $400. I'd be really pissed if I paid that and Colin Powell didn't use my money to buy at least one bullet to bury in that Psycho's inflated rectum. So I'm a warmonger, leave me alone.