Your Honest opinion matters.

[I H8 UR DSM]

i dont have 400hp.

complete SR swaps usually run from 4500-9000$$'s...dont fall into the trap that you can have a complete up and running SR for under 4k, even if doing all the labor for the swap yourself.

http://www.b20vtec.com is my friend charlie, and bobs honda site.

i guess i should rethink it all...i cant blame you for leaving honda for nissan ; )

i welcome all honda owners ; P

that was enthalpy's car that put down close to 400 on stock internals (not stock turbo or ecu)

jesse

i do agree that the SR20det is better than the honda motors ; )

[I H8 UR DSM]

oh, and i didnt get much sleep, and having girl problems, so today isnt a very good mood for me,....not that im making excuses, but if i was a **** to you boys, that might have something to do with it...im a nice guy...too nice. damn *****es

jesse

[eniety]

You with girl problems? :rolleyes : )

[I H8 UR DSM]

i bring them on myself i believe.....i think i have a thing for drama almost, or am too into getting what i cant, or shouldnt have...

met a real nice girl, real cool, a lot in common, beautiful, etc......she has a seven month old daughter. and i think she is starting to want to hang out, and like me a little, and im afraid i might start to feel that way too, leading to someting that i know i dont want to happen, and shouldnt.......and i dont want to be the one to break up anything, or to hurt anyone in any way...i know i should just stay away, but its hard when she doesnt want to......why do i always get myself into the drama s***? If we keep hanging out the way we are its just a matter of time beffore one of us starts to feel for the other, or we hook up...(they can never resist for too long)....i just dont want to get hurt, and i dont want to hurt her in any way, or the family......AAHHHHHH

[I H8 UR DSM]

but i know if we get drunk together tonight, i wont feel that way anymore, and ill be all about hooking up...i need to work on my self control i think...i freakin hate this ****...if i could just meet a normal girl (or maybe its the fact that i dont like normal), then everything would be smooth...but the last couple i have been with, have all lead to some sort of drama.....lesbian, celebrity, now a mother......damn me, what do i do to myself....no motivation anymore either : (, i dont even move the Sr in the driveway, it just sits in the car and waits for me to drive her...

[eniety]

What are you afraid of? What don't you want to happen? Don't be afraid bro.

[turbocarslut]

sorry to hear about your bad day...its raining cats and dogs ou there so its a ****ty day for me also...I also have a damn midterm tomorrow for circuits which I have not started studying for... But on another note...please do tell me what I need to complete my swap..like I said I just went and bought my s13 black top...with computer, complete harness..even has fuse box, and ecu. Now if you could please tell me what is going to cost me money other than making or buying the missing downpipe and adding the fmic? I am doing all labor and wiring myself...into a 95 240sx. I want to know so I can be ready if anything. All sensors, and ignitor on motor are intact.

forgot you are in LI..so its raining over there too...DUH!

[89turbocivic]

This is why I am going from Honda to Nissan

1. Sick of oil leakes! Every turbo Honda leaks oil! If it doesn't leak oil then the owner isn't driving it.2. Sick of driving a car with an engine that is too heavy for the suspension.3. Sick of the engine vibrations from the aftermarket mounts4. Sick of stuff always leaking (coolent, exhaust, charge pipes ext)5. TQ steer sucks!!!6. Always worring if the engine is going to blow even though I am only pusing 8 psi!7. Sick of being slow for what I have done to my car. I now own a 92 240SX SE. I still have my civic but I have a buyer.One thing I see when people are adding up the cost of a swap is a 800-1000 for a FMIC!! That is soo outragous. I can get a really nice flowing FMIC If I am going to spend 1000 bucks on an IC it's going to be a water/Air setup. charge piping? I can make that myself with mandrel bend piping. (Thats what I am using on my Civic) Then 150 for a DP and 500+ for an exhaust?!! I can make both those items for about 300 in material. So those two items there I can save about 1000 bucks on doing the swap myself. My goal is to do a compeat swap for around 4000. well see what happens.

[Cyberkreig]

I think i'm gonna have to go with DSM on this one, I was pissed off about all these honda guys commin over.. but I am starting to warm up to the idea...

After reading through what you all ahve said, Your all car guys, that happened to own hondas... Afterall, the real hateable honda community, the "Show" car guys.. will (prays to god) stay on the cheap economy car wagon..

On the original topic -- S13 with S13 blacktop is the way to go =)i GUESS i can live with S14 w/S13 blacktop..

[I H8 UR DSM]

please do tell me what I need to complete my swap..like I said I just went and bought my s13 black top...with computer, complete harness..even has fuse box, and ecu. Now if you could please tell me what is going to cost me money other than making or buying the missing downpipe and adding the fmic? I am doing all labor and wiring myself...into a 95 240sx. I

1. all hoses, and belts (heavythrottle sells a package now i believe with the belts, and accesories.)

2. All fluids(obviously you want to use a good synthetic oil, ie. mobil 1 or Amsoil, also a good gear oil, i use amsoil 2000 gear lube75w90).

3. Battery relocation kit, to relo to rear, or a slim battery(intercooler pipes will run through the stock location of battery if u are going with a FMIC)

4. gauges. personally i would atleast have an oil pressure, and EGT gauge when doing the swap.

5. some sort of fuel/ecu tuning, whether its a JWT reprogramed ECU, a Apexi SAFC, aftermarket ecu, standalone, etc etc...

6. make sure your motor mounts are good.

7. all piping for intercooler, hotpipe, downpipe.

8. Walbro fuel pump

9. boost controller (manual is fine, and neither is needed if you want to run stock boost)

10. aftermarket bov (recirculating or atmospherical, again, not totally necessary)

11. Brakes, so you can drive the car when it is done.

jesse

[turbocarslut]

Remember I am new to Nissan, not to turbo

1. all hoses, and belts (heavythrottle sells a package now i believe with the belts, and accesories.)- A must with any swap

2. All fluids(obviously you want to use a good synthetic oil, ie. mobil 1 or Amsoil, also a good gear oil, i use amsoil 2000 gear lube75w90).- A must with any swap

3. Battery relocation kit, to relo to rear, or a slim battery(intercooler pipes will run through the stock location of battery if u are going with a FMIC)- Thank you...will buy

4. gauges. personally i would atleast have an oil pressure, and EGT gauge when doing the swap.- own a boost oil press, and a/f

5. some sort of fuel/ecu tuning, whether its a JWT reprogramed ECU, a Apexi SAFC, aftermarket ecu, standalone, etc etc...heard about having to send ecu to jwt....do I send my stock computer or the sr one? I have both.

6. make sure your motor mounts are good.ok...will do.7. all piping for intercooler, hotpipe, downpipe.have piping lots of it in the crib 8. Walbro fuel pumpwhich model...is this intank or inline?

9. boost controller (manual is fine, and neither is needed if you want to run stock boost)-own a profec b already

10. aftermarket bov (recirculating or atmospherical, again, not totally necessary)-own a HKS already.

11. Brakes, so you can drive the car when it is done.what do you recommend?jesse

[I H8 UR DSM]

yea, i remember, but you asked what you would need besides what you had, so i was re-itterating.

...please do tell me what I need to complete my swap..

[I H8 UR DSM]

walbro is intank

brakes: a lot of people choose to do the 300zx conversion, which is definitly the best for the $$...otherwise just do good pads, and some slotted rotors.

jwt, send the sr ecu....if you dont want the ka ecu anymore, i believe they will take $100 off your price if you give them that, but i dont know if they still do

[T_love]

jwt, send the sr ecu....if you dont want the ka ecu anymore, i believe they will take $100 off your price if you give them that, but i dont know if they still do

So can you get away with just an SAFC and no ecu reprogram or will you need to reprogram at some point ? I don't like the idea of having to send my ecu back after every mod.

[I H8 UR DSM]

its basically one or the other...some choose to go the JWT route, where your sending them your ecu for a base price to tune fuel curve, move revlimiter, remove speedlimiter, etc...then sending it back when you mod the car, for retune, at $100 a pop....they tune it really conservative, and on the safe/rich side.

a other popular option (which i have), is to use the stock SR20det ecu, and a Apexi SAFC to fine tune, also has the option to use the z32 maf, and also compensates for atmospheric bov's.

some people would rather not have to play around, and tune the car and all, and jwt is a good option for them.

jesse

[I H8 UR DSM]

we have a sentra with a bluebird sr20det, running the JWT ecu, with great results...i like the abitlity of being able to tune it myself,a nd tune it when i do do upgrades, etc..i dont like the fixed program idea.....but both ways do have there benefits.

[turbocarslut]

what happens if I want to throw some 720cc injectors...is the jwt method better than the safc method?

[I H8 UR DSM]

i dont think jwt is tuning the ecu's for 720cc's yet., just up to 550cc's....but i do remember them saying they had a program for the 72lb. msd injectors (custom fuel rail is needed), but i dont think its finalized yet, i know people said the program wasnt too good for those injectors.

the afc can take up to 720cc's i believe...but anything larger than that (or almost even at 720's) id be leaning towards going with a full standalone. Thats the 400+hp range, and for tuning that, id say go with a standalone

[turbocarslut]

any launch date on Nissdata? Is the Hondata company making it?

[I H8 UR DSM]

no, some members of the 240 community are making nissdata (ie. mattback, enthalpy, others), id IM mattback or email him.

[I H8 UR DSM]

if u have the money and were leaning the JWT direction, id say save a little, and go the Apexi Power FC route, with the commander...they are preset for the car, so plug and play, but can make changes wiht the commander.

jesse

[turbocarslut]

hey i cant pm you thru here since i am new..or something...can you im me at addikted2boost

[eniety]

I own a Honda. Does anyone wanna buy it?! Jesse, I know you do. I really want an s13 with a greentop or a purpletop. I still have figure out what this whole turbo thing is though. Someday. Blah.

[I H8 UR DSM]

i'd take it if it was a new prelude, or a bubble back civic...

if you are refering to me turboslut(hehe), you can IM me at LI240sxrep.

[turbocarslut]

also what is the model number on th ewalbro intank pump...whats the flow rate?

[I H8 UR DSM]

"Available for most cars. We recommend the 'high pressure' 255 liter per hour pump kit for all high performance engines. There really is no reason NOT to get the 'high pressure' pump, but the regular 255 lph pump kit is available also."

jesse

[ESCALVANTE]

Dammit! From reading this post, I just learned that I will need about $4,000 to get an SR swap up and running? Sheeit!

To all you guys responding to this thread, can you please tell me/reiterate EXACTLY what I would be getting when I spend $4,000. Does this include FMIC, redone wiring harness, and upgraded fuel pump?

Please someone help me out!

Thanks in advance.

[I H8 UR DSM]

all this can be found through those links we posted...

from P2M: with my estimates in ()

"When you are ready to do the SR install yourself, make a check list of things you need to do with the install. From our experience, we recommend to do the following same time with the install:

Air filter kit

Downpipe upgrade (150)

Catback upgrade (500)

Boost gauge (115)

Turbo timer (90)

New clutch kit (300)

300ZX fuel filter (70)

300ZX TT or Supra TT Denso fuel pump upgrade (120)

Stock or aftermarket intercooler kit (1000)

300ZX NGK / Denso spark plugs (gap to 0.030) (50)

4 quart of 10w30 generic oil (to be changed out at first 500 miles), afterwards Synthethics welcome. (50)

2.5 qt of tranissmion fluid (30)

Nissan SR20DE oil filter (5)

When you have all the parts ready for the swap, you must prep the SR motor before dropping it in:

Removal of the stock SR AIV solenoid and weld the recirculation port off the turbo O2 housing shut (S13 SR only).

Check oil pan for any signs of dent or damage.

Change to the KA speed sensor as well as the transmission sensors.

Check the condition of the fan clutch. Ditch the stock fan clutch if bad, and run aftermarket electric fan.

Check stock turbo for shaft play and condition. Check condition of the SR engine mounts, KA engine mounts can be used but we highly recommend upgrade to the Nismo 3pc mounts ($280) or brand new Nissan KA mounts.

Check condition of the drivebelts, replace if needed."

and from HT:

"How Much does it cost?



$2400 SR20DET engine and 5 speed transmission

$80 - $200 Shipping

$309 - $339 Performance clutch kit

$139 - $229 3" downpipe

$849 - $999 Intercooler Kit

$129 - $220 Blow Off Valve

$129 Hi Flow Fuel Pump

$390 - $650 60mm - 80mm full cat-back exhaust

$55 K&N filter and aluminum intake adapter

$50 Motor oil, PS fluid, transmission oil, coolant

$99 Radiator hoses and heater hoses, belts

$35 Oil filter, fuel filter & plugs

$14 Heat wrap tape



EZ Install Kits Here

Optional



$65 Trunk mount battery box and cable

$150 Boost and Fuel Pressure Gauges

$149 Electric Fan Kit

$50 - $125 Manual Boost Controller

$250 - $550 Electronic Boost controller

$109 Turbo Timer

$220 High-flow cat

$550 Lightened flywheel

$275 Lightweight Pulley Set "

you get an engine that is complete, it should come with everything needed to do the swap EXCEPT the intercooler, intercooler piping, blow off valve, and downpipe. We recommend replacing the clutch and fuel pump also. Along with the engine and transmission, you should receive the following parts:

Top Engine Harness ECU engine harness ECU Lower Engine / transmission harness Power Steering pump Power Steering high pressure Line Power Steering reservoir if SOHC car, DOHC has correct reservoir Alternator - can use some DOHC KA Alternators Starter AC compressor Ignitor Chip and assembly Wastegate solenoid controller Turbo inlet pipe Turbo outlet pipe Canister Engine mounts MAFS - SOHC can be wired to work Turbo Wastegate actuator Cam Angle Sensor Throttle Body Turbo exhaust outlet extension Bell housing bolts

Sometimes engines that are missing things like the ECU or with a cut harness are offered at a discount from Heavy Throttle or other vendors. Be aware that some parts are easier to find than others. Currently main engine harnesses are difficult to find. ECU, MAF, CAS, Ignitor Chip - these things are relatively easy to find."

alll this can be found by searching the boards, and links. thanks

jesse

[ESCALVANTE]

H8: You're the Fing man!

Now all I have to do is save up for all this stuff.:ylsuper

[DonDonati88]

The only problem i found with putting an s13 sr in an s14 is you will have to buy extra things that can cost over the $1000 dollars that you would be saving just to get the engine running in the car. You should look into what you would have to get and have done and then decide if you can handle it yourself or pay the extra money and have someone else do it.

What extra costs are involved with this? I'm putting an s13 redtop into my s14.