Y34 Lowering Springs.......the infamous ones....

[Jackhammer]

So would the same spring rate and about .2-.4 " lower drop than Eibach do the trick?

Turnaround would depend on Road Magnets availability and my availability.

assuming eibach is 1" all around.... 1.2-1.3 is perfect

[caug1]

how does eibach feels vs. stock?i dont want the car to drop more then 1.25. it will lead to unnecsessary problems. i will do it if i get the info i am looking for. is eiback are progressive springs?

[CakeDaddy]

in my opinion the eibachs felt a bit bit firmer. just enough to take away the cush cush.

..and you are correct anything lower than 1.2 will be risky. remember that this car is racked, so Im still liking 1.0 fr & 1.1 rear or maybe 1.1 fr & 1.2 rear.

[Dominican Drift]

Im interested but I would like to see Specs and price before i get into anything.

[sub9lulu]

Im interested but I would like to see Specs and price before i get into anything.

same

[mrmark]

Im interested but I would like to see Specs and price before i get into anything.

Well......I don't think they're going to tear a car apart and develop a spring without some commitment on purchasing. Once we agree on specs, we will need deposits from 12 buyers. If not, the project will not happen.

I've been on business travel the last 2 weeks so I can not drop my car off. I may be able to get it there in the next 2 weeks, but we need to agree on specs and then get deposits.

[auditech10]

And now...... the project falls apart........

I would say get them made to whatever specs you think are good, Mark, then have them made and put them for sale here and on Ebay and they will go. See nobody cared of the specs on the Eibachs they just called everywhere and anywhere trying to find them. The same will happen with these. When they are made they will sell like hotcakes on a cold Sunday morning.Everybody wants their own desired spring rates and drop but dont realize the only way to do this is by air and the next option is coil overs.Cheers

[CakeDaddy]

See nobody cared of the specs on the Eibachs they just called everywhere and anywhere trying to find them.

Well, I cared a great deal before I purchased the Eibachs. Eibach took the R&D and produced the springs with precision tolerance, block resistance, light weigh materials, road tested, etc.. Plus, they took into consideration the weight of the car and rated the springs then supplied a 1.0 drop all around. Now, I'm going to sound like a broken record, but... I thing Eibach could have gotten away with a 1.0 front & 1.1 rear and this is what I'm suggesting for the RM's.

I think Mark is trying to put this together so RM can go through the same steps as Eibach to create this product.

I knew in my head before I shopped the springs what would be ideal drop for the Y34 and once I located the Eibachs online, it stated 1.0 all around and that was in the area I was hoping.. I even consulted my service guy at Infiniti before the Eibach purchase. So, I definitely cared.

Honestly, I don’t think anyone will be willing to fork out any cash for this project and unfortunately, this is where the bus stops. I hate to be pessimistic(sp), but………

[auditech10]

I really dont think they do as much as one might think, personally. They have been in the business long enough that they have some kind of chart or database that they have recorded all this information in and when a new car is designed they may line up the weight and other needed dimensions and go from there to get a baseline. Then they may make a set and try it out for some time but where do they get the donor car from??? If there was even one an M45 for them to do this on. Either way Mark asked if the same specs as the Eibachs with maybe just maybe a little lower drop would work for people and nobody answered really. All Im saying is to make a product and there will be buyers. Until then Im willing to bet the price of a set of these springs that nobody will do anything until they are made....Cheers CakePapi, lol

[mrmark]

Here's the bottom line....

I wanted to see if anyone was interested in springs for our Y34's since there were little, if any options since Eibach discontinued them.

Road Magnet said they would develop a set but needed 12 confirmed buyers in order to recoup the cost of tearing apart the donor car, doing the fitments setup, doing the R&D (yes, there is R&D involved), and then creating the spring. Don’t you think they know that Eibach discontinued these springs due to lack of interest….and the fact that the car was only built in the US for 2 years?

I asked if the Eibach specs but a little lower would be what most owners want.

I wanted to make sure the project would go through (confirmation of 12 confirmed buyers) so that it would be worth my while to tear out my audio system from my trunk, dropping my car off in Baltimore, getting a ride home, and then getting a ride back to pick the car up. Don’t even think that a free set of $400 springs would be a motivator for me…..

So far, I think there’s a lot of interest, but a lot of "wait and see" window shoppers. I will tell you that if 12 confirmed buyers are not identified, the project will not happen....it's that simple.

[CakeDaddy]

My vote is 1.0 front and 1.1 rear and put me down for the deposit.

[FoxApe]

i'm serious about the project as well as a deposit and I'm with Cake as far as specs go...........if possible, a deposit price and an estimate might help to filter the serious to non- serious buyers......gotta say that i appreciate your efforts to make this happen.

[ali]

there hasnt been any updates for a while. are people still down for springs? i am almost 100% sure for the deposit if you can let me know what the drop is going to be.

[mrmark]

Unfortunately, the R&D department has been monitoring this thread and decided there wasn't enough true interest to warrant them spending all that time to measure and develop a spring setup.

[Eyedea]

Unfortunately, the R&D department has been monitoring this thread and decided there wasn't enough true interest to warrant them spending all that time to measure and develop a spring setup.

To the R&D Dept monitoring this thread:

Quite unfair to make a judgement on interest considering we haven't had any input from the manufacturer as per specs, deposit amount, turn around times, reliability, price range of the final product etc from you.

So far the communication has been from a proxy, MRMark. For your information, there are more people buying this platform and the interest in the springs will not change. We need this item.Would be great if you gave us an input on this before we trash this thread and move on to other sources.

[sub9lulu]

i'd love some lowering springs, and i want it quickbut at this point i dont care anymore, i'll just wait for the tein from riverside

[maxnix]

how could you guys buy springs that has no specs. what if springs turns out softer then they already are. it's a no no.are these springs progressive or regular?WHATS UP WITH YOU GUYS?

Funny how no one is asking the right questions about dynamic performance and damper rate matching.

All are concerned with static looks only. So much for math and the quantitative sciences in the curriculum.

[caug1]

it is not ture. elier in the post i ask about the rates on the spring in cpomarisson to the eiback.just pay atantion to the post more and you'll see.most of the people who have this car bought it for the look and it's power and not ability of taking coners at the high speeds.in mycase i am interested in performace not the look that is why i am not putting my name on the list untill i find out what i will get for the rates on the springs.peace man.

[CakeDaddy]

To the R&D Dept monitoring this thread:

Quite unfair to make a judgement on interest considering we haven't had any input from the manufacturer as per specs, deposit amount, turn around times, reliability, price range of the final product etc from you.

So far the communication has been from a proxy, MRMark. For your information, there are more people buying this platform and the interest in the springs will not change. We need this item.Would be great if you gave us an input on this before we trash this thread and move on to other sources.

I think on 3 people agreed to front a deposit, and that wasn’t going to cut it. We needed 12, so that is what stopped the project in its tracks.

It was clear early on that people were not going to front cash for this project until they saw the specs. The other issue was we all couldn't come to an agreement on how much of a drop we wanted., etc...

Marks idea of using Eibachs spec spring rate .2-.4 an slightly lower drop than Eibach rate would have been great, but oh well. Maybe next time when we can all come to an agreement.

Modified by CakeDaddy at 3:01 PM 9/17/2007
Modified by CakeDaddy at 7:14 AM 9/18/2007

[mrmark]

Funny how no one is asking the right questions about dynamic performance and damper rate matching.

All are concerned with static looks only. So much for math and the quantitative sciences in the curriculum.

Here's an idea.....why not put together the specs via your vast knowledge and post it here. That way we can see who is really serious and I can possibly get this back on track.

The other issue will be finding another donor car. My car will be getting an air setup this week so my car is out.

Price target for the setup will be around $200-$300 for the set.

[auditech10]

Are you going with B.W. or A.R.??

As I stated earlier, the best thing to do would take the same, or very similar, specs of the Eibachs and come to a median on the amount of drop and have them made. I mean seriously, if the drop is rated at 1.3 and somebody is adament on having 1.4 or 1.2 do you really think that they wont buy them because of that? I would give my car up for a week or so if they were at all close to me and I dont even need a set of springs, but thats not the case unfortunetly.Cheers

[CakeDaddy]

I mean seriously, if the drop is rated at 1.3 and somebody is adament on having 1.4 or 1.2 do you really think that they wont buy them because of that?

Yes!! Anything over 1.2 in the front will result in negative camber that can't be corrected, so 1.4 vs. 1.2 is dramatic in my opinion and the opinion of my service guy at Infiniti.

Remember, I had my front susp. links replaced and it was possibly due to the car being lowered with eibachs. Possibly, not a 100%, but possibly

The tech who replace the susp links said, "Its possible that they could break again, but I doubt it"

There isn't one day that I don't listen for that thunking sound since I got the new susp. links.

I'd love to see all of us riding low, but not at the expense of worn tire, broken links, damaged catalytic converter, prematurely worn struts etc... Hell, before I lowered my car I bottomed out. OUCH!!

I'd hate to see anyone here Play Themselves Out with bad drop springs. I've been there and done that with a previous car, so I'm speaking from experience.

Its a shame that eibach broke and trashed the mold for the 6371.140s' ,but if someone could duplicate what eibach did; I'm sure peopel would be all over it.


Modified by CakeDaddy at 7:16 AM 9/18/2007

[RAGTPZ]

I would definitely be in for a drop of 1 - 1.2, similar spring specs to Eibach's or OEM...actually maybe a little stiffer.

Interestingly enough though:

http://eibach.com/cgi-bin/html...02268

If they can do "one offs" I couldn't see why they would not do the same here especially since it is a product they previously offered.

Has anyone tried to contact Eibach at all?

[auditech10]

Cake,In all reality it doesnt matter if you drop it an inch or a foot, you will eventually have problems. That is why they say "For off road use only" and to use at your own risk.And by the way, with the 1.1 or whatever it was in the front for the Eibachs for you, you ARE changing your camber specs whether you like it or not. Thats what happens when you change the distance between the spring seat to the mounting point on the body.Im not trying to pick a fight, btw.Cheers

[CakeDaddy]

Cake,In all reality it doesnt matter if you drop it an inch or a foot, you will eventually have problems. That is why they say "For off road use only" and to use at your own risk.And by the way, with the 1.1 or whatever it was in the front for the Eibachs for you, you ARE changing your camber specs whether you like it or not. Thats what happens when you change the distance between the spring seat to the mounting point on the body. Im not trying to pick a fight, btw.Cheers

Alright, I’m a little vexed now!!!!

In all reality it doesn’t matter if you drop it an inch or a foot, you will eventually have problems.

"Reality" As in real life? You gotta be joking, right!?! Go lower your car a "foot" and get back to us and I'll keep my car at 1.1 or whatever. We will see if it matters.

That is why they say "For off road use only" and to use at your own risk.

what does this have to do with anything? <--- strictly a rhetorical question on my part, so spare me of an answer on this one.

And by the way, with the 1.1 or whatever it was in the front for the Eibachs for you, you ARE changing your camber specs whether you like it or not.

I’m not debating the fact that camber changes once a car is lowered. It’s common knowledge for most people who lower cars. …and that is why the good ole boys at Infiniti have the proper alignment tools/machines to adjust camber back to spec as long as the car hasn’t been lowered too much.

Im not trying to pick a fight, btw.Cheers

LOL its all good baby!!! That is what forums are all about

[cremecreme]

Well I know a whole lot about a little bit...so just drop it like its HOT

[auditech10]

"Reality" As in real life? You gotta be joking, right!?! Go lower your car a "foot" and get back to us and I'll keep my car at 1.1 or whatever. We will see if it matters.

But as you stated with your 1.1 inch drop that you already had problems, right??? Thanks for proving my point.

Best of luck

[gjh20]

i've been watching this thread & need to know if i can get springs or not. i work with Butler Tire in ATL & have a customer w/money on hand and is very serious about springs or coilovers. whats up???

[CakeDaddy]

I believe the project is a bust my friend. Not enough support. We needed to collect money for the R&D, but as you saw in the earlier posts; no one was willing to front the cash, plus we couldn’t decide on the specs. Some people wanted 1.0 front & 1.1 rear, while other wanted 1.4, etc... crazy. So, this topic is dead

The coilover topic was also bounced around.zerothread?id=242599

Modified by CakeDaddy at 2:52 PM 9/25/2007
Modified by CakeDaddy at 2:55 PM 9/25/2007

[paperfootball]

Jus

i've been watching this thread & need to know if i can get springs or not. i work with Butler Tire in ATL & have a customer w/money on hand and is very serious about springs or coilovers. whats up???

Just order the TEINs from "clutchkick" on this forum. He works for Infiniti and can order the springs--I have them on my car and love them. There is a thread with pics of my car in this forum.