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VimyJ wrote:Good look at China's energy situation.

http://english.people.com.cn/2....html


I wrote a paper for school about a decade and a half ago with a prediction that Chinas growth would ground to halt, by mid 21st century due to a severeg energy shortage.

China's Coal reserves simply arent sufficient, to keep up with over one billion tons per year mined.

Of course there are a couple hundred years of production worth of high quality coal, right across the border to Russia...

While we have had some oil wars recently in the middle east, the biggest energy wars are yet to come..

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JoshIsSciFi wrote:Everyone that is still reading these posts, please post what oil companies and futures you are viewing, give the symbols for them if you could please. btw, gas was at $1.99 here last night when I fueled up the Q(which btw I run at WOT 80% of the time no matter what gas prices are), down from $2.13 a week ago.
Pick an oil company then go to Yahoo and find that company. Start your due diligence (DD). You will learn much.

For fun, Google "Alberta oil sands" to see a big part of our energy future.

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Gas has fallen for the 4th straight week. The panic is over, PERIOD. Any increases can be directly correlated to the fear premium, and terrorlst strikes.

The feds just released a report which showed inventories at their highest level in two years.. Don't hear vimy pointing that out. The biggest problem is with refineing at max, the inventories arn't converting to much extra gas..

Crude is falling, just like I and everyone said it would.. Paranoid conspiracy theores can be laid to rest, just like they were 10 years ago this time, and on throughout history.

Sorry, the world isn't coming to an end.

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Unless there is a major hiccup in refining, or a blow-up in crude delivery, the 'worst' is over for a few years. There will be spot shortages of the 'botique' reformulated gasoline this summer possibly, but nothing national or regional. The North Sea labor strike has had notably little impact on crude prices so far. Seems there is lots of floating Bbls enroute and someone has to take em.

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CL is still right near $38. Still up there.

The situation in SA has just begun.

Whoever claimed the world was coing to an end? I have merely maintained that the days of cheap oil are over.

The fact remains that the world is at near peak production right now. There is little spare capacity.

A hiccup in refining should drive crude demand down.

The terms gasoline and oil can't be used interchangably

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the days of 40 are over

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1992Q45A wrote:the days of 40 are over


The days of cheap oil are over. The cheap oil is gone. Get used to it. $45 before $25.

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Norway orders striking oil workers back to work. Norway pumps 3mbpd.

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Been in the energy supply/demand evaluation business more than 50 years now. The price of oil is strictly a political value now, not true supply-demand driven. Lots of oil economically recoverable at $25/Bbl--with good ROI-12%, ROE of 20%- at reasonable interest rates (4%). If inflation drives interest rates up to 8-10%, then economic price goes up to $28/Bbl.Incremental Bbl's in SA still less than $3/Bbl on the boat. LOTS of unexplored potential in the middle east and Siberia. LOTS AND LOTS of 'heavy crude' in Venezuela, Canada, Trinidad economic @$25/BblAnother 4 years of present administration half-*** measures in the middle east (we need to either fight with overwhelming force or negotiate) will keep anxiety premium up.

Demand IS elastic over both short and long terms. Right now China industry is close/at peak consumption/GDP unit,with newer facilities much more efficient.

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Suncor in Alberta oil ands has production costs to $12/b.

More facilities in China is the operative word. Auto production up incredibly equals more demand. Industries using coal are the most inefficient. Then there is India...

Production in most oil fields is falling. There certainly is a security premium but there is also a bidding war on for supply. The world is close to production peak with little room for error.

The administration woefully "misunderestimated" the ME situation.

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VimyJ wrote:The administration woefully "misunderestimated" the ME situation.


In more ways than one!

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texasoil wrote:Been in the energy supply/demand evaluation business more than 50 years now. The price of oil is strictly a political value now, not true supply-demand driven. Lots of oil economically recoverable at $25/Bbl--with good ROI-12%, ROE of 20%- at reasonable interest rates (4%). If inflation drives interest rates up to 8-10%, then economic price goes up to $28/Bbl.Incremental Bbl's in SA still less than $3/Bbl on the boat. LOTS of unexplored potential in the middle east and Siberia. LOTS AND LOTS of 'heavy crude' in Venezuela, Canada, Trinidad economic @$25/BblAnother 4 years of present administration half-*** measures in the middle east (we need to either fight with overwhelming force or negotiate) will keep anxiety premium up.

Demand IS elastic over both short and long terms. Right now China industry is close/at peak consumption/GDP unit,with newer facilities much more efficient.
Very insightful. However, I think increase of demand in China alone portends continuous upward pressure on prices for the future. China has surpassed Japan as the second largest consumer of oil. On the other hand, I bet it is one of the least explored areas of the world for reserves.

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maxnix wrote:Very insightful. However, I think increase of demand in China alone portends continuous upward pressure on prices for the future. China has surpassed Japan as the second largest consumer of oil. On the other hand, I bet it is one of the least explored areas of the world for reserves.


China has been and is being extensively explored for oil. However not much substantial has been found and their existing fields are in decline. Not too many years ago, China was a net exporter of oil. Now, as you mentioned, they are the second largest importer of oil. They do have relatively large low grade coal deposits and have been exploring coal liquification for diesel fuel.

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VimyJ wrote:China has been and is being extensively explored for oil. However not much substantial has been found....
Hmmm...by Western oil companies? Only way an old Communist Oil Companies could discover crude was by the Jethro method.

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There have been a great deal of changes in the last 10 years. Plenty of exploration activity in that time frame done with the latest techniques. The Chinese cannot be underestimated.

BTW, I believe that was the "Jed" method. The days of shootin' for oil and it bubbles out of the ground are long gone. The cheap oil is gone.

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maxnix wrote:Hmmm...by Western oil companies? Only way an old Communist Oil Companies could discover crude was by the Jethro method.


Every red-blooded American knows that it was Uncle Jed who discovered oil, not Jethro!

"This is a story bout a man named Jed...."

I have sights and articles to back this up.:pface

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Jed is short for Jethro, no?

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maxnix wrote:Jed is short for Jethro, no?


No. I would think yes if Jethro was Jed's son, then we could say that one is called Jed and the other Jethro for purposes of clarity. But Jethro is Jed's nephew. Jed is a Clampett and Jethro is a Bodine.

Furthermore, Mose's father-in law is also named Jethro and there are no mentions of people calling him "Jed" in the Old Testament.

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I was watching CNBC and an alanyst at the Chicago Merc. was letting us know what the futures guys are thinking. He said crude inventories are comparable to levels in 2002 an at that time oil futures where trading at $30. Therefore, he said, oil should be coming down to that level because once the terror fears calm down the $7 security premium should disappear. "Whew!" said the hostess, "About time."

What's different in 2004 compared to 2002? Well, how about ME nonsense galore and, most importantly, huge increases in demand not only from China and India but the US as well. The futures traders are still of a mind that there will always be an infinite supply of crude. Demand is outpacing supply. Fewer and smaller discoveries.

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Here is a post from one of the energy forums I peruse with more figures than I provided.

"Oil overhangby: denintex 06/25/04 02:06 pmMsg: 44891 of 44913 Any “oil overhang” depends on how one looks at it and what one’s time frame is. In past weeks, crude inventory has been building, but it is still 4.5 million below the 5-year average, so measured by the 5-year standard, there is currently no overhang. But more importantly, supply and demand have dramatically changed from 5 years ago. Then, there was: 1) large OPEC surplus production; 2) elephant fields not in state of the decline they are in today; 3) w/w demand not yet spiked by the “China, India” experience; 4) no significant threats of terrorism to existing supply; and 5) sufficient tanker capacity for oil transport. Because this has all changed, today’s inventory should be much greater than the 5 year inventory average to compensate for these supply/demand differences. Instead, inventory is roughly the same as 5 years ago, an irrational result given that production is far less and demand is far higher. And this spells trouble if one has the foresight to look 10 weeks down the road, when some suggest that the 3 million barrel a day rise in 4th quarter demand will be greeted by insufficient supply. Five years ago, such a prospect would have been laughable -- no more. So how does one view this pronounced “overhang?” An “overhang” that disappears into shortage in 10 weeks is no overhang at all. It is shortage.

Also, oil inventory should not be considered in isolation. About eleven weeks ago, gasoline inventory stood at 8.5 million below the 5-year average; this week it is 9 million below. Distillates have gone from 2.6 million below, to 7.3 million below. To the extent that any existing perception of an oil “overhang” results in a temporary lowering of gasoline prices, this will spur greater demand, making it more likely that the gasoline and distillate inventory shortages in future weeks will get worse, not better. And then there is ng. Myopic traders often get thrown off base by 10 day weather patterns, which often change in forecast in 3 days. We have seen these “cooling trends” this year, but up to now, injections have been strongly bullish compared to last year, reflecting the y/y bullish differences caused by less production, greater demand and less imports, all of which are now in a state of compounding year to year. And it is this compounding effect that renders the past storage standard of about 3.1 tcf an outdated standard. Analysts continue to recite the same inventory goal for storage sufficiency year to year, as though the year to year compounding effects of 4-5% production declines, import declines, and higher demand result in no need for greater storage than in the past. At some point, this “asleep at the wheel” approach is going to catch up with us. Traditionally, insufficiency in just one category of fuel supply is enough to worry traders into a state of keeping all of the fuels in a higher pricing range. We saw that this spring, with gasoline acting as a catalyst to higher oil prices. But now, there are not only worries about gasoline inventory, but also ng inventory, distillate inventory, and 4th quarter oil inventory, not to mention coal shortages. In short, I see no “oil supply overhang” that will act as a catalyst to any significant pricing decline in oil or gas. Instead, I see just the opposite -- with concerns about supply deficiencies in all of the fuels having a stabilizing effect on pricing short-term, and acting as a catalyst for far higher pricing the closer we get to Fall."

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Have been 'on the ground' in China where seismic testing (by Schlumberger) was conducted in Western China (Tarim basin) . Tapes were collected by Chinese each day, no copies left.

Lots of 40 gravity sweet oil (nearly jet A quality as produced)under the sands there. One exploratory well blew out (saw/held drill stem sample) and open flowed calculated rate of +/- 200,000B/D for45 + days before relief well plugged it. Entire episode was purged from any/all writen records. Stumbled on it by sheer accident in geology museum display there and confirmed above with interviews of principles involved. Was a key participant in helping establish Master Development Plan for the region--being executed as planned. Production plans are for start production possible next decade (2010+/-).

NEVER underestimate the Chinese--patience, wisdom, tenacity. They will reserve indigenous reserves for maximum benefit to future generations and import as much as possible. We Occidentals will rush to invest money in factories making stuff,etc, and gladly pour cash into their economy so they will be able to buy as much energy as they need. Do not forget they are embarking on another MASSIVE nuclear power building program.

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Does anyone know what percentage of US oil comes from the Middle East? I saw something in the NY Times about a year ago and I remember it was only about 20-30% from Middle East. We get a lot of oil from Mexico, Canada, S. America, UK/Norway (North Sea), Nigeria, Gulf of Mexico, etc.

Just settling an argument with a friend about Iraq. (He thinks the war is ALL about the oil).

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Oil is a fungible commodityand is becoming more scarce. The ME provides about 15% of US crude demand. However, OPEC provides about 25% of the total world supply. Russia is the world's biggest oil exporter as of the last year or two. The US uses about 25% of the world crude supply.

Oil is a major component of the Iraq scenario. I would say oil ranks above "terrorism" and WMD as the reasons why Iraq was invaded because of the three things I listed only oil actually existed in Iraq prior to March, 03.

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By Ed Blanche (Janes Defence)

Growing sectarian violence between Muslims and Christians, a conflict that shows all the signs of erupting into an all-out religious war, is ravaging Nigeria.

Western intelligence services believe that Islamic extremists are making a determined effort to penetrate West Africa, an emerging world-class oil giant, amid signs that Osama bin Laden has singled out Nigeria for jihad.

Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa and the continent's leading oil producer. It has the largest Muslim population in Africa after Egypt. In recent years, there has been mounting Islamic militancy and growing anti-Western hostility in Nigeria that makes it fertile ground for extremist recruiters. The unrest is apparently being stoked by radical Arab Islamic preachers and agents of Al-Qaeda.

The USA is already deploying small groups of special forces throughout the impoverished Sahel region states of Chad, Mali, Mauritania and Niger to counter infiltration by Islamic militants moving south from Algeria. With West Africa in danger of becoming the new battleground between the USA and Al-Qaeda, heavier oil-driven US intervention may become unavoidable - a path fraught with pitfalls and one that could have a dramatic impact on US policy in Africa.

Nigerian oilfields could account for as much as 25 per cent of US oil imports within a few years. Ensuring that these oilfields are secure will be a key mission for US forces in the region. Having been ignored by the USA for decades, Africa has assumed a new importance for Washington as it moves to control oil supplies in the region, centred on the Gulf of Guinea, west of Nigeria. The US military is already seeking bases in the region.

This control was first enunciated in 1998 by the neo-conservative hawks who now form the backbone of the Bush administration and some of who are intimately connected to the oil industry. In June 2003, the Pentagon announced that it was to "significantly shrink the US force of 70,000 troops in Germany, a military stronghold for half a century, and put far more US forces in Africa and the Caucasus region". It stressed that the redeployment was "driven by the increasing importance that the USA is placing on protecting key oil reserves in Africa and the Caucasus... as well as addressing concerns about combating terrorism".

Nigeria is dangerously close to major upheaval that would threaten its fragile unity. The collapse of the state would have global political, economic and security ramifications.

Nigeria's 130 million people are divided almost equally between Hausa-speaking Muslims in the north and Christians of the Igbo and Yoruba tribes in the south. On 18 May, President Olusegun Obasanjo declared a state of emergency in Plateau State, in central Nigeria, after months of ferocious fighting between Christians and Muslims had left hundreds dead. He said the violence "has become a near mutual genocide" that "constitutes a grave threat to the security and unity of Nigeria".

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We're using it faster than we can get it.

U.S. commercial crude oil inventories (excluding those in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve) declined by 0.5 million barrels from the previous week. At 304.9 million barrels, U.S. crude oil inventories are currently 3.1 million barrels less than the 5-year average for this time of year. Motor gasoline inventories were unchanged last week, and are 8.9 million barrels below the 5-year average. Distillate fuel inventories rose by 0.5 million barrels, with an increase in high-sulfur distillate fuel (heating oil) more than compensating for a drop in low-sulfur distillate fuel (diesel fuel). At 110.9 million barrels, distillate fuel inventories are 7.7 million barrels below the 5-year for this time of year. Total commercial petroleum inventories are 45.6 million barrels less than the 5-year average.

U.S. crude oil refinery inputs averaged nearly 16.1 million barrels per day during the week ending June 25, up 61,000 barrels per day from the previous week's average. Refineries operated at 96.1 percent of their operable capacity last week. Motor gasoline production increased significantly compared to the previous week, averaging 8.8 million barrels per day.

U.S. crude oil imports averaged 10.6 million barrels per day last week, up 403,000 barrels per day from the previous week, and the fourth highest weekly average ever. Over the last four weeks, crude oil imports have averaged 10.4 million barrels per day. Although the origins of weekly crude oil imports are preliminary and thus not published, it appears that imports from Nigeria came in at a particularly high level last week. Total motor gasoline imports (including both finished gasoline and gasoline blending components) averaged 969,000 barrels per day, down 48,000 barrels per day from the previous week. Distillate fuel imports averaged 293,000 barrels per day last week.

U.S. commercial crude oil inventories (excluding those in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve) declined by 0.5 million barrels from the previous week. At 304.9 million barrels, U.S. crude oil inventories are currently 3.1 million barrels less than the 5-year average for this time of year. Motor gasoline inventories were unchanged last week, and are 8.9 million barrels below the 5-year average. Distillate fuel inventories rose by 0.5 million barrels, with an increase in high-sulfur distillate fuel (heating oil) more than compensating for a drop in low-sulfur distillate fuel (diesel fuel). At 110.9 million barrels, distillate fuel inventories are 7.7 million barrels below the 5-year for this time of year. Total commercial petroleum inventories are 45.6 million barrels less than the 5-year average.

Total product supplied over the last four-week period has averaged nearly 20.6 million barrels per day, or 4.4 percent more than averaged over the same period last year. Motor gasoline demand over the last four weeks has averaged nearly 9.2 million barrels per day, or 0.1 percent above the same period last year. Distillate fuel demand is up 5.8 percent, while kerosene-type jet fuel demand is up 5.7 percent over the last four weeks compared to the same four-week period last year.

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For the near to medium term (now to 3 years out), the U.S. economy is at risk of disruption/turbulence on several fronts - oil being only one.

Steel has been hard to get, with supply some 5-15% below orders. This shortage is moderating the last 3 weeks as China imports slack (they took 50% of world steel imports so far this year. ) Just yesterday a Eurpoean steel conglomerate purchased controlling interest in Brazil's rolled plate giant,which is by far th elowest cost producer @+/- $100/ton. World price is $300/ton now. The purchase will, in 2 more years, give that conglomerate over 50%!! of the world plate steel capacity (talk about market power!)

Our energy supplies are far more diverse. Medium term (5-15 years), we need to get coal moving --the technology for clean utilization of coal is available and economical. The long term answer is nuclear power--and eventually we will see the light.

There is no real shortage of energy sources, but there is a real shortfall in deliverability of the most convenient sources gas and oil.

It is criminal to be using natural gas as fuel in power boilers and industrial furnaces. Future generations will curse us for the travesty.

Energy supply corporations are truley international maybe no-national is a better , tough flawed description) and have no innate self interest in delivering low cost energy. Their goal, like the long stated one of Saudia Arabia, is gradual escalation of energy prices--gradual to avoid economic shocks that interrupt demand growth and gradual to keep alternative energy sources just out of economic viability.

Our present energy policy is to kiss up to middle east dictators (Kings, Princes, Sheiks, Emirs, etc.), and that is where we are.Be sure and vote in Nov. It may be your last free election.

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CL up $1.40 so far today. This amount must surely be demand premium as the security factor has not changed.

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http://www.mcdep.com/

A Visit to SyncrudeThe Aurora North lease contains some of the richest deposits that hold Canada’s 175billion barrels of recoverable oil from oil sands. We stood at the bottom of a formationhundreds of feet thick. An electric powered shovel scooped 100 tons at a time anddumped it into 400 ton trucks. Oil is separated from the sand by hot water. Some of the separation takes place at the lease and the remainder in a pipeline as the mixture is moved to the upgrader, essentially a complex oil refinery. The upgrader is where most of themoney is being spent in the current expansion.

The key question we heard repeatedly was how could the owners of Syncrude, the oilsands joint venture, underestimate the costs of the expansion by more than a billion dollars? Our own two sentence interpretation is that because ExxonMobil (XOM) engineers were too busy with other projects they shifted responsibility to the engineering and construction firm, Halliburton. The project proved to be too complex for the contractor and now ExxonMobil engineers are personally on the scene and taking responsibility. Owning 70% of Imperial Oil (IMO) that owns 25% of Syncrude, ExxonMobil is the lead corporate owner.

BTW, there are companies in oil sand land that are up, running and very profitable that have nothing to do with Syncrude, XOM and especially Halliburton.

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KBR is not in the same capability league as Bechtel or Fluor--the folks who have done the previous work.

XOM has a well deserved reputation of shopping for low bid rather than best value, negotiating further blood out of the bidder, squeezing till the work is a money loser, then adding scope to the job because it is so cheap, and, on top of that, telling the contractor exactly how to do the work--and then complaining and suing when cost goes up due to the changes they forced on the contractor.

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Saudis said today they feel $35/b is "about right."

All the talk of the Saudis pumping any more oil that would be usable for anything except asphalt has hit home. The world is currently at peak oil production.

If one tanker gets attacked or worse sunk or a Saudi pipeline gets cut, look out, $50 oil!


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