Why would they do this, why?

[homeslicej2]

FRAM is NASCAR's official oil filter? Maybe (I could not find anything to confirm or deny this, but then again, I didn't feel like spending more than 5 minutes looking for stuff),

http://www.wixfilters.com/news...ion=7h ... om...82719 According to these, and other sites (a simple search will show), that WIX has been an integral part of NASCAR since its inception and WIX filters are the #1 filter used in NASCAR. Go to Wixfilters.com and see for yourself

[duffman1278]

My SR came with a MOMO filter, is that good?? I like Momo

[eazye2000]

I thought that FRAM was only garbage at start-up?

As in, the dry paper/cardboard element will get blown out of the filter on start-up. It's too dry, and not saturated with oil, so it will kinda break up or something..? Or that's at least what I heard. Something like, pour oil in the filter first to soften and saturate the element..

I dunno, I could be wrong. But I do have to say that, any filter 'has' to be better than 'no' filter... anyone agree?

And has anyone noticed how much they weigh? I would say a Mobil 1 filter is almost double the weight of a FRAM filter, and the FRAM is even a tad bigger. Good/Bad? Yes/No?

I suppose putting a 'Premium' filter on your car wouldn't be a bad idea if you weren't going to change it for like 5-8k miles. But I change my oil after every track event, and about 1-2k worth of daily driving. So I opt for the 'Mid-Grade' myself. Mostly the Pur-One and sometimes the Mobil 1.

Just throwing out some opinions and comments. I'm not looking at trying to get into a pissing contest..

There's my $.02, Now I'm broke.

[dnlx5]

good point if i change my oil before its really dirty, aside from getting broken filter bits in my engine all i should really care about is flow and hey i can use the money i saved not buying a 20 dolor filter on changing my oil more frequently and with beter oil im not too experienced but seems logical, especially for us performance nuts who abuse our engines

[TchouikoS13]

All this FRAM talk and such... Who's engine bay is this anyway?

[homeslicej2]

Yes, a filter is better than no filter, but to me, using FRAM is like using a panty hose for an air filter. Lots of flow, not such great filtration. I use Purolator Pureone (which is only ~5.50 for the SR, not $20-50), but I agree, I didn't mean to start a pissing contest.

good point if i change my oil before its really dirty, aside from getting broken filter bits in my engine all i should really care about is flow and hey i can use the money i saved not buying a 20 dolor filter on changing my oil more frequently and with beter oil im not too experienced but seems logical, especially for us performance nuts who abuse our engines

Doesn't matter, your oil will get dirty, and if the filter doesn't do it's job it gets dirty quicker, reduces performance, increases wear, reduces engine life. Not to mention, if you change you oil more frequently you spend more on oil. If you're a performance nut who changes it often, you can spend a few bucks more on a good filter, not the cheapest. FRAM filter (orange one) around here goes for about $3.80 for the S13 SR, Pureone is, again, about $5.50, not much more and worth it for a good filter. For the record, I change the oil in the SR about every 2 months or 2k miles, whichever comes first since it's not driven much.

All this FRAM talk and such... Who's engine bay is this anyway?

I don't know, but the pic is on XAT racing's website on the home page.

[Chaotic_Warlord]

I know I said FRAM was an official sponsor of NASCAR, but I was mistaken. They are actually an official sponsor of the NHRA, which actually means the engine go through about 20 times more stress per race.



I definately don't think the NHRA would allow garbage filters to be used, considering the amount of down time they have to take when a car does blow an engine on the track.

[j u ice]

This car was don at XAT racing in Tampa FL and the colors are the Miami dolphins colors they did the engine bay that way for the DG trials in Miami.

[sean90]

alright, just so everyone knows, fram filters when they come off of vehicles, any vehicle i've ever done, are lighter than most filters on the same type of vehicle. I work every evening after school at an oil change shop, and have for about 10 months now, they're all the same. in the past year or so, one of the local walmarts with the lube shop out back has had three or four motors kick the can, and walmart uses only fram filters. if you guys would like, i can take some used filters from work, cut them open and take pictures of the insides...any brand you can think of comes off those cars...let me know, i'll be glad to get some pictures....
Modified by sean90 at 12:29 AM 9/8/2007

[slyedog240sx]

I know I said FRAM was an official sponsor of NASCAR, but I was mistaken. They are actually an official sponsor of the NHRA, which actually means the engine go through about 20 times more stress per race.



I definately don't think the NHRA would allow garbage filters to be used, considering the amount of down time they have to take when a car does blow an engine on the track.

uh no i don't think so.5 or 10 passes down a 1/4 mile strip isn't even as close to a car running 10,000 rpm for 500 miles straight.Think about it for a minute.

[Kataki_]

That just makes me cringe everytime i look at it...kinda like i do everytime i see the bosch platinum sparkplugs my dad got me as a suprise for my car...he said he got me good ones all i could say was thanks dad..gotta be kinda nice to the oold man.

[sean90]

I'm pretty sure being the Official Filters of the NHRA doesn't mean the racers have to use them...cuz there would be some problems makin some guys run em

[Vernal]

If Fram is so bad then why would they use it on formula drift cars.

[Chaotic_Warlord]

If Fram is so bad then why would they use it on formula drift cars.

Yo dude, you were at the Formula D event today too? It's a small world and a really big forum.

// threadjack

[ufakefe]

I heard that napa filters are wix?

[hpmachine]

Like I said earlier, they may change the oil after every event. By the time the filter comes off of there it may only have like 20 miles on it.

[Death By Thrash Metal]

well could somone tell me what oil filter to get then for an RB-nissan oemstyle? And ive always wondered what oil/viscosity is best for a daily driver that can be adjusted to boost it up to 500hp...Ty ahead of time

[Vernal]

Yo dude, you were at the Formula D event today too? It's a small world and a really big forum.

// threadjack

No I wasnt I jacked that picture from the "FORMULA D" thread.

[Acumo]

Like I said earlier, they may change the oil after every event. By the time the filter comes off of there it may only have like 20 miles on it.

all bs why would they change their filters every 20 miles? if u see a fram filter on a d1 car dosent mean that they are garbage..

[homeslicej2]

Maybe FRAM gives them lots of money for the series/cars. In that case, I'd run them too. Maybe they feel that FRAM is a great filter. I don't and I'll not run a FRAM filter anymore if I can help it. I'll run either, Pureone, Mobil 1, WIX/OEM. That's it.

[ricebike]

all bs why would they change their filters every 20 miles? if u see a fram filter on a d1 car dosent mean that they are garbage..

because,

it's much easier/ economical to change the oil/filter after an event...

than to swap out a whole engine!



'nuff said (this isn't my car, thank goodness!)

[RB20DETodd]

fram is bandwagon hate, its a ****in filter!! half of you asses have a "OEM" nissan filter on your sohc ka with a short ram intake that will prolly throw a rod in the next month or two, even with the best filter the ka will throw a rod

[homeslicej2]

fram is bandwagon hate, its a ****in filter!! half of you asses have a "OEM" nissan filter on your sohc ka with a short ram intake that will prolly throw a rod in the next month or two, even with the best filter the ka will throw a rod

I guess it's just oil too then huh? With your attitude why spend money on a good filter or oil, it's gonna throw a rod eventually anyway. BTW, WIX manufactures many OEM filters for automakers, and unless I'm mistaken, they make Nissan's too (I could be wrong about that though). I have an SR, my professionally rebuilt SOHC KA spun a bearing in March, don't know if it was the FRAM filter or maybe a crappy rebuild. I didn't start this thread just to hate on FRAM. I saw a pic of an SR in an engine bay that obviously had a lot of money in it and didn't see why someone would put one of the cheapest oil filters they could buy on it. Btw, some say that bc of FRAM's crappy anti-drainback valve it lets dirty oil drain back into the pan and can cause noise in the valvetrain at startup (read ishkabibble's link). I had this, even after I had the entire timing kit replaced! I pulled the valve cover more than once to see if the guides had self-destructed again, they hadn't, nor had they when the motor finally died. The oil pump was new too. So, maybe it was a bad rebuild, maybe it was a crappy filter bc I had always used FRAM. I too thought people just hated on FRAM bc they were cheap filters, after this mishap, I began to think differently, did some research, and found some supporting evidence. So, I won't use them again. My .02

[RB20DETodd]

blaming a thrown rod or blown ka on a fram filter is a joke, more like thinking the ka is a hi reving performance motor is why it blew

[homeslicej2]

Look man, I'm not here to argue with you, nor will I get into a name-calling/accusation contest with you. You just made an angry comment and I didn't understand why so I replied with some sarcasm. As for thinking the KA was a high-revving performance motor causing me to blow it...uh...no. I never thought it was a high performance motor nor did I treat it as such. I bought my 240 bc I got it for $1000 and wanted another car. I was tired of my Lumina and it's badly peeling paint. So, I bought the 240 from my brother-in-law. The car came with a rebuilt motor, but it was from a company that does nothing but rebuild and then sell short and long blocks. Some of those companies tend to cut corners and if things like bearings check out good they often re-use them. So, like I said, it could have just been a crappy rebuild. I treat my cars far better than the average joe, but then again, you don't know that, so you assume I'm some punk kid who thinks he has a JDM-mad tyte 240 yo! I'm not. I'm married, a recent college grad, and am establishing myself in both life and my career. I'm not some kid who can run to mommy and daddy if I mess up my car, nor have I ever been able to. I pay for things and have always paid for my cars, so both proper maintenance and driving habits are at the top of my list because I can't/couldn't afford to replace motors constantly or drop all of my money into a car. Now I can afford some things and when the KA died, in went an SR. If it's cheap and works, then fine, but IMO FRAM does not work well, and considering the job it is intended to do, I will not use it again. If you want to, fine, but don't accuse me of jumping on a hate bandwagon after I've looked at the evidence and sought advice from knowledgeable persons.

[yessir240]

every time ya buy a fram filter i make money.

[homeslicej2]

every time ya buy a fram filter i make money.

[themadscientist]

You need good oil and you need a good filter. case closed. Todd, you continue to prove you have the IQ of a walnut.

[redtop91]

You have successfully offended walnuts everywhere TMS.

[Kckouki]

Bwhhahahahahahahaha, pwnd.