Whos a baller and who thinks their a baller. O.G. Wheel Thread...

[Louis Cyphier]

Well I'm bored and figured i'd post a wheel thread from my euro-days.

Well start with a little HTN RS-Design

move on to the HTN-Rennsport

at this point it'll be wise to post the CMC-Automotive wheel.again

well hello there Dynatech/CarLine Tuning CM2and your sexy younger sister the CM2

a little american made sexual chocolate, Fikse FM-10what a dirty little whore she is

a amazingly tender young rabbit sporting its pre-pubescent Schmidt TH Lineson a wee lil poloserious thuggery

the bruteish Modern Line

thats tonights lesson in alternate viewpoints as offers by myself, a wheelwhore.

[nchopp]

Uhh... they're wheels. And they're Euro. Yep. That's what I got.

[Louis Cyphier]

its about alternate viewpoints. i was hoping to spread some different though processes here since "wheels" arent you guy's forte.

theres just a major difference between this scene(the us Q45 forum), and my euro background where wheels often exceed the cost of the car

something doesnt have to fit into the nice little categories of "euro, VIP, JDM, hotrod" etc. to be cool, it can actually borrow influences from everywhere.

[nchopp]

Meh, I was just being a d!ck. And it's not too hard to spend more on wheels for a G50 than was spent on the car - come on, most of us probably spent something like $3,000-$6,000 for them. Good wheels and tires will easily clip past 3k.

[nuQ]

the grey Porsche is HOT!!!!!!

SEXUAL CHOCOLATE?????? "HE'S GOOD"!!!! LOL

[nchopp]

the grey Porsche is HOT!!!!!!

Agreed? Is it a GT2?

[Louis Cyphier]

grey one is a 930 and the silver one is a 996TT

[Rex]

The "Schmidt TH Lines" look alot like Impul Silhouttes.

Too mnay wheel manufacturers nowadays to know everything, but nice to be offered a little knowledge.

Keep 'em coming.

[Louis Cyphier]

it really is hard, because the tradtitional "european" companies have such different styles and unless your on euro boards its so hard to see everything.

[maxnix]

the grey Porsche is HOT!!!!!!

Agreed, but probably a lot heavier than a real wheel. The rest are just awful.

[Louis Cyphier]

are you inferring that Fikse isnt a "real" wheel? You definately dont know about wheels if that is the case. Do you know how many American Lemans and Porsche teams run Fikse Wheels

This would then be a situation of, how big is my foot and does it fit into my mouth.

As a owner of Fikse wheels (2 sets of FM10's) i can tell you nothing is further from the truth than your comment. My 17"x8.5" FM10s weighted less than 16lbs each, were 3 piece, all forged and completely rebuildable and backed by fikse who after 8 years of road and track use from my 1st set replaced a barrel after it cracked. they were able to tear the wheel down, ensure the center was still strong and true, re-build using new barrells and send it back to me all within a week.

Fikse also ran 70,000 miles at the 24hrs of rolex without 1 wheel related problem. that speaks volumes for a wheels structural integrity.

soapbox off.

[Louis Cyphier]

Agreed, but probably a lot heavier than a real wheel. The rest are just awful.

also, ive been here for about 1 month and have seen the most generic and horrible display of wheel choices, with a few people having what one would consider "actual" taste and most just doing the "what can i get for $1000 routine"

[Falkdesigns]

something doesnt have to fit into the nice little categories of "euro, VIP, JDM, hotrod" etc. to be cool, it can actually borrow influences from everywhere.

That is exactly what I've been trying to get across without saying it as well as you just did.

Some of those wheels are not my taste, especially twisted designs, but some are super hot, and I enjoyed looking at every one of them.

[Louis Cyphier]

i think thats something this board seriuosly lacks. at least from the wheel posts i've seen so far.

theres a box and most people are content to live inside it. i cannot be that way. Im sure most people will ultimately hate whatever my wheel choice ends up with. But what i will have is a car i can take to anyshow and never have a twin of.

[G50 Q]

also, ive been here for about 1 month and have seen the most generic and horrible display of wheel choices, with a few people having what one would consider "actual" taste and most just doing the "what can i get for $1000 routine"

I was starting to feel like i was the only one who thought that...

[MinisterofDOOM]

My God, the hood on that Polo is nasty.

Those HTN RS-Designs would look excellent on a black VW Beetle.

The CNC machined ones on the Bimmers are among the worst wheels I've ever laid eyes on.

[Highway Q45]

The Fiske FM-10 is one of the best after market Porsche wheels made including CCW. They are light, strong, and probably weigh a third less than any wheel he posted. The wheels on the BMW he shows look like they belong on an Escalade.

[Jeff Williams]

are you inferring that Fikse isnt a "real" wheel? You definately dont know about wheels if that is the case. Do you know how many American Lemans and Porsche teams run Fikse Wheels

As a owner of Fikse wheels (2 sets of FM10's) i can tell you nothing is further from the truth than your comment. My 17"x8.5" FM10s weighted less than 16lbs each, were 3 piece, all forged and completely rebuildable and backed by fikse who after 8 years of road and track use from my 1st set replaced a barrel after it cracked. they were able to tear the wheel down, ensure the center was still strong and true, re-build using new barrells and send it back to me all within a week.

Fikse also ran 70,000 miles at the 24hrs of rolex without 1 wheel related problem. that speaks volumes for a wheels structural integrity.

soapbox off.

Fiske wheels are what I want on my C5. They are very expensive, and probably the best quality street wheel out there.

As for me, I got the best I could for under $1,000.00 I paid $400 for the Konigs on Layla, and $800 for the ASAs on Lola. As far as IceT, I went with 2002 OEMs to keep a factory look, like my wife likes. On my '62 GMC, I am running !5 x 8 chrome Corvette rallys.

[AZhitman]

I'd trade one of my kids for those Fikses... Seriously.

I recall a lot of those wheels from my dabbling in Euros (I had a set of Ronal 5-spokes and a set of Riken meshies)... Moved on to Japanese cars and owned the first set of Momo Quasars in AZ... Most of these are before your time.

As regards the comment about this board "lacking" something, I don't think anyone really disrespects the breadth of wheel choices out there, it's just that there are a lot of Q owners here, and many of the Euro wheels and high positive offset designs either 1) don't fit 2) have the wrong lug pattern or 3) simply aren't strong enough for a 300-hp 4200-lb car.

Now let's see some BBS, CEC and HRE's to round out this wheel-lovin' fest.

[AZhitman]

p.s. I have 18x8" chrome Q45 Premiums, a set of big-lip, old-school 1989 3-piece Works (black with polished barrel), and some 17" blinged-out Vaults. My 4th car is still rolling on the OEM 18" alloys...

[Louis Cyphier]

HRE? come on man. HRE uses ARS lips. ARS lips are pure garbage(flat lips). ARS are the same lip iforged use and are :

Outer lip construction: The outer lip construction of flat lip "reverse drop center" wheels by these companies use a rolled outer lip. Rolled lips are are used for strength because a flat lip is more prone to damage due to construction than a stepped lip. A stepped lip actually adds strength and rigidity to an outer lip. The lips used by these companies has a "rolled lip" that actually is just that.... a piece of aluminum that is rolled to double the wall thickness.... creating an air gap in between. This air gap creates a haven for corrosion and thus in the example of say a chrome plated outer lip this corrosion possiblity becomes exponential due to the chrome. Corrosion between this "air gap" compromises the integrity of the wheel and makes it prone to air leaks. Raw aluminum lips are not as prone to corrosion here as a chrome plated one, but the possibility is still there. A quality outer lip has no actual "rolled" construction in this outer lip, its solid and double wall thickness builds strength and there is no "air gap" so there is a minimalization of potential corrosion. I.E. Japanese wheels and many European wheels.

Wheel center: Wheel centers are pretty simple as far as construction goes. They are either forged aluminum CNC machined or cast. A cast wheel obviously has its intricacies and one of them is weight. This weight is due to the need for a cast center to actually have more material to build strength.... this strength adds material (aluminum) to the center and actually makes it thicker. (hence the extra weight) A forged or CNC machined billet wheel is made from a piece of either forged stock, or machined from a literal block of aluminum. Forged wheels have a material composition which has more tightly packed atoms which make the alloy stronger than a cast piece in the same thickness. The issue is here..... when a center is machined there is a minumum thickness in the bolt circle that allows for strength. When this thickness is compromised to maximize low offsets to make for a bigger "dish" heres where the trouble starts. This thickness in the bolt circle where the lugnut bores are is crucial... if its too thin there with respect to the bore then the possibility for fatigue and cracking is definetly present. I have seen examples of IForged wheels with this problem, and heard other complaints from retailers with these issues and the lack of proper warranty procedures by this company. A proper way to achieve these low offsets is by making an entirely new center to accomodate either high offset caliper clearance, or low offset to maximise "dish". Most reputable companies either A: dont compromise this at all and offer only offsets within a specified range, or B: build several centers with thickness accomodating this need, and a wider variety of offset ranges. In effect.... creating a truly "custom" wheel."

Most euro wheels(true) arent high + offsets, are all build with the same quality of Japanese wheels, and are actually available in 5x114.

Back in the day, before i had status and before i had a pager. Car had been sitting in my garage for 2.5 years while i built the motor and transmission, but had looked like this since 1995. I at one point decided to pull the wheels apart and re-polish the lips it was then i gunmetaled the centers as a experiment.I do have a pic at my office from its heyday though, ill post when i get in

[elwesso]

i agree... Just because you dont put them on a Q or most Q owners wont use them does not make them decent wheel choices for other cars.!!! I think a lot of those wheels look good on other cars, but most wouldnt look real good ona Q...

Fact is, there are a lot of cheap nissan/infiniti takeoff wheels that are fairly light (around 20lbs) and are strong enough for the Q45.... that look great with the look of the car... In my opinion, its pretty stupid to go with really dynamic wheels on a Q45 (any year) unless you have other significant body mods... I just dont like drawing attention to one thing. I like people to look at the car and say I like the car, not that they just like the wheels. EVerything has be balanced IMO.

[AZhitman]

HRE? come on man. HRE uses ARS lips. ARS lips are pure garbage(flat lips).

No offense LS, but you're wrong. Since 1982, all wheel manufacturing by HRE has been in-house. Lip / barrel included. The ARS stuff hasn't been used since before 1982. And I doubt there are any of those wheels still around.

The world's top Corvette and Viper tuners run HRE wheels. The Vector and Saleen S7 also run HRE's. HRE's are used on Formula Fords, in the Mazda Pro Series, and on Bosch Super Vee and Formula Atlantic cars.

You'll see HRE's on 1000-hp Supras, and several Z32 owners (with money) run them.

Not saying they're the pinnacle, but FAR from "garbage". I'd still prefer the Fikses.

[nchopp]

Note to LS: Arguments with Greg (AZhitman) usually don't end well for anyone other than him.

[AZhitman]

^ Bah, not an argument. Just car guys rapping about their passions.

Hell, I'm glad to see someone here who knows old-school wheels!

[96Qowner]

Lovely wheels, etc, but I don't see a single Q45 in those pics.

And note the title of this particular board. Also note the list of other boards in the NICO family of forums, one of which is named, go figure, "Wheels and Tires".

And ... we're all guilty of it at one time or another ... kind of a lecturing tone accompanying the generous offer of purdy wheel pics.

If I ever want to spend $3000 on wheels for my 1996 Q45 (which may or may not fit) I'll search for this thread again. Glad you enjoy the euro forums so much.

But thanks anyway, and welcome to the Q45 board.

I guess this means I'm not a ... "baller"?
Modified by 96Qowner at 8:17 AM 1/4/2006

[Louis Cyphier]

No offense LS, but you're wrong. Since 1982, all wheel manufacturing by HRE has been in-house. Lip / barrel included. The ARS stuff hasn't been used since before 1982. And I doubt there are any of those wheels still around.

The world's top Corvette and Viper tuners run HRE wheels. The Vector and Saleen S7 also run HRE's. HRE's are used on Formula Fords, in the Mazda Pro Series, and on Bosch Super Vee and Formula Atlantic cars.

You'll see HRE's on 1000-hp Supras, and several Z32 owners (with money) run them.

Not saying they're the pinnacle, but FAR from "garbage". I'd still prefer the Fikses.

its good news to hear they moved away from ARS products. As even to this day they dont build a quality barrell. Their flat lips leave ALOT to be desired.

I feel that wheels and ride height are the 2 things that seperate a normal car from a spectacular one. Doesnt mean one has to spend $1000/wheel to get a great look. But nothing makes as much of a difference in a cars appearance than a nicley picked set of wheels. I'll always be on the fringe with the wheels i like, while some are more atypical of current styles, others are completely from the left field.

[G50 Q]

Lovely wheels, etc, but I don't see a single Q45 in those pics.

That was the whole point.

If I ever want to spend $3000 on wheels for my 1996 Q45 (which may or may not fit) I'll search for this thread again. Glad you enjoy the euro forums so much.

You will never buy a set of $3000 wheels, because you have no idea what works and what doesn't work, and to me you seem too closed minded to ever figure out that something besides 18x8 +45 will fit you car.

Not to mention if you do order $3000 you will be able to choose from numerous different offsets and widths and disc's to get the PERFECT fit that your after.

I think all he is trying to do is show you that good wheels fitment can dramatically chage how the car looks (in a good way). But you guys can't get past the fact that the pic's posted arn't of Q45's... deal with it, there are obviously very few examples of what he's talking about from this forum.

But thanks anyway, and welcome to the Q45 board.

I guess this means I'm not a ... "baller"?

Modified by 96Qowner at 8:17 AM 1/4/2006[/QUOTE]

[Highway Q45]

You might wnat to check out some of the options in CCW wheels. Very popular with the Viper, Vette, and German crowd. I think the new 1-piece forged SP-20's would look perfect on the Q. Myself I run the 3-piece Classics in the Tracks Series (forged) on the Turbo. The nice thing on the Classics is they will build them to any offset and width you want for about $2200. http://www.ccwheel.com/files/home.php
Modified by Highway Q45 at 10:35 AM 1/4/2006

[96Qowner]

Quote »You will never buy a set of $3000 wheels, because you have no idea what works and what doesn't work, and to me you seem too closed minded to ever figure out that something besides 18x8 +45 will fit you car.[/quote]Quote »But you guys can't get past the fact that the pic's posted arn't of Q45's... deal with it[/quote]I reviewed your posting history, and it appears you have a problem expressing your opinions politely. I've never understood why people use their first several posts on a new forum to tell the others how ignorant they are. It seems an odd way to join - they don't usually appreciate it.

But as I said, thanks to Louis for the pictures of the gorgeous wheels.