What snow/winter tires on your Rogue?

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eric_c
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I would think this would apply more if you have TPMS equipped tires on the car and this happens. The flashing is obviously a warning that the vehicle cannot see one or more of the sensors. If you have TPMS-equipped wheels on, then this would likely warrant a trip to the dealer since the sensor(s) has stopped being able to communicate with the car.

We have a TPMS whose battery is dying on the Z. It occasionally stops transmitting while driving. The low PSI warning light will sometimes light up in the Z when this happens, and the PSI for that tire will report back as "----". Once it starts transmitting again, the warning light turns off. So I think its a similar thing; its just the vehicle telling you it can't see all the TPMS's. We've gone thru 4 winters (this will be the 5th) with the Z and never had to take it and get it reset.

But we'll see in the spring, as Philip said.

Oddly, once we put the snows on the Z its hit-n-miss whether the PSI warning light will come on. I took it this morning and the light did not come on, even though all the tires are reporting back as "----". Other days it comes on right away and stays on. The Rogue seems to be quite consistent about coming on every time. I don't find it really distracting, its not any brighter than the headlights-on light.
roguester wrote:If your tpms light flashes for 60 secs.you will have to go to the dealer when you mount your alloys (in the spring ) to have the tpms resetaccording to owners manual


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I had a look last night and as far as I can tell, they used the stock lug nuts to attach the steel rims. The nuts are bottomed out tight against the steel rim and I cannot discern any looseness or play. We've driven the Rogue 3 days now on these rims, from city speeds up to 120 km/h highway and it feels solid.

Perhaps a difference in the construction of the steel rims? I got these from Canadian Tire back in the day. For what its worth, we have a SL AWD.
Pescakl1 wrote:
Did you get the same trouble as Philip with the lug nuts? Did you need longer ones to install the Maxima steel rims on the Rogue?

Thanks.

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I tried on the steel Nissan OEM rims with the original nuts from the alloys and there is no issues with the length of nuts topping out. The lug holes on the steel rims are raised to make up the difference to the alloys.

Just received in mail Nissan flyer for winter tires and rimsSteel rims from $79.Michelins set of 4 $50 mail-in rebateBFGoodrich set of 4 $40. mail-in rebateToyo set of 4 $100. mail-in rebateYou can get the tires cheaper from a tire shopBest quote for Michelin X-ice 215/70R16 $150. ea

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Maybe the issue was with the lug nut I tried? Perhaps the others work. I will try again just to be sure.

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First post but I've been watching for a few months. Regarding winter tires..... is it possible to use 225/60/16's on my Rogue ??? I have a set of Nokians lined up.... what should I do ???

Thanks.

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cottar wrote:First post but I've been watching for a few months. Regarding winter tires..... is it possible to use 225/60/16's on my Rogue ??? I have a set of Nokians lined up.... what should I do ???

Thanks.
There are a variety of tire calculators out there. Here is one:

http://www.powerdog.com/tiresize.cgi

The 225/60R17 size is nearly 5% too small. Most tire dealers, mfg,s etc recommend staying within 3% of the OEM diameter. This is to ensure the ABS & VDC systems work properly, not to mention other aspects, ie brakes, suspension, gearing, etc.

If you use this tire size, you may compromise some of these systems. IMHO, I would not use these tires. I would try to stay with the OEM size.

P.S. that 225/60R16 must be a passenger tire size. I know the larger Rogue tires are Light Truck tire terrritory, and are more limited in choices.

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I would heed his advice regarding straying too far from OEM tire sizes.

Again with the Z....

Z has staggered front and back tire sizes. Last year when the dummies at the tire shop put the snows on, they put the two fronts on the passenger side of the car and the two rights on the drivers side. Drove all of 2 minutes down the road when just about every warning light in the car came on. ABS, SLIP, VDC, etc. The car shut off everything.

In my case, the car identified that something was very wrong and decided to just shut off the ABS/TCS/VDC to prevent these systems from doing something stupid. My bigger fear from going away from the stock tire O.D. would be that the ABS/VDC/TCS don't realize that this constant has changed and make incorrect decisions.

At the end of the day, we're dealing with software. Somebody somewhere wrote some code that takes in several variables (steering angle, throttle position, vehicle yaw, etc) and, based on a few constants (tire outer diameter being one), takes action based on what it sees. If we change that constant, we change when and how the computer takes action.
philipa_240sx wrote:
There are a variety of tire calculators out there. Here is one:

http://www.powerdog.com/tiresize.cgi

If you use this tire size, you may compromise some of these systems. IMHO, I would not use these tires. I would try to stay with the OEM size.

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I also got the Toyo Observe G-02+ 225/60R17. I paid $850 CDN for all 4 (including balancing/installation and taxes). They are only slightly louder than the stock Continentals, not bad at all - waiting for the snow and ice so I can really test them out.

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I just did a tire size comparison of various sizes that the Goodyear Nordic comes in and came up with this:

Standard: 225/60R17

215/65R17: 1.3% off215/65R16: 2.25% off225/75R15: 2.34% off215/70R15: 2.79% off

Has anyone out there tried putting 15" tires on their Rogue? I was thinking of going to the 16" version, but going down to 15" would save me even more cash on these tires. Are there any downsides, other than they won't look as snazzy as the 17" ers?

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exeunt wrote:Has anyone out there tried putting 15" tires on their Rogue?
No, but I would test fit 15" wheels to ensure the brake calipers clear. It's already very close (less than 1/4" clearance in circumference) with 16's.

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Winter Tire Review: Hankook Dynapro iPike RW07

Vehicle: Rogue SL FWDSize: 215/70R16 on 16x6.5 steel rims.

My initial review baseed on dry & wet road conditions (no snow yet).

Design: Fewer sipes than competing friction type winter tires, this may reduce available traction. Provision for studs is nice, but they are not allowed in Ontario, Canada. Large open tread blocks and a deep tread should work well in snow.

Noise: Quiet at city speeds (<35mph). At speeds above 60mph, there is a faint low frequency hum. In some ways these tires are quieter than the OEM Conti's, esp in the rain. The tires feel as 'firm' as the stock Conti's, ie expansion joints produce similar noise and vibration.

Handling: Like all winter tires, the sidewalls and tread compound are very soft. This dulls the steering response and makes driving in crosswinds tricky as the vehicle tends to sway more. This is normal for winter tires and the Hankooks are average in this respect compared to other tires I have driven. Driven conservatively, they are just fine. I have tried some more abrupt braking & steering manouevers and they seem to perform fine, just don't expect sports car like handling.

Tip: Give yourself some time to adjust to winter tires.

Wet & dry traction: You can already feel the increased grip in the dry over stock all seasons. The stock Conti's start to loose grip at temps below 5 deg C (40 degF). In the wet, the effect is even more pronounced with less wheelspin and ABS activates less.

I will update again once the snow flies.

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I just wanted to comment on the Rogue's winter handling. It's actually the best winter handling vehicle I've ever driven. Very minimal understeer or oversteer in the slick stuff, it just steers. This is the first vehicle I've driven in the winter with VDC and electronic AWD, both of which are great in the winter. The car is always predictable, and you don't have to take corners much slower than in dry conditions. (true some of this is attributed to the tires I have, but a lot of it is due to the VDC/AWD) Even when you decide to take it in an empty parking lot and turn off the VDC to have some fun, the AWD keeps you in check, and you always know what's going to happen. It's just an overall great winter car.

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philipa_240sx wrote:After much frustration with the local Nokian Tire dealer, I gave up. I have been on a search for the past month to no avail. It appears no one (in Ontario, Canada at least) has stock on the newer Nokian Hakka R SUV, and it's anybody's guess if they will ever get any. Even the previous Hakka 5 SUV model has been a no show. This is very curious... I wonder if some major Nokian distributor forgot to place thier order?
Suprise, suprise the local Nokian dealer called on friday saying the Hakka R SUV's are in! Gee, it only took 6 weeks of getting the run around... "they'll be here eventually". Too bad I already picked up the Hankooks!

Anyway, I am not changing now. I will run with the Hankooks and the $300 I saved over Nokian's. If the Hankooks turn out to be total crap, I'll sell them and pick up the Nokian's next winter.

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What does the 'Snowflake in the Mountain' symbol mean?

The 'Snowflake in the Mountain' symbol means the tire meets the severe service requirements. This symbol was adopted by both the RMA (Rubber Mfg Association) and the Rubber Association of Canada in 1999.

History

The Severe Service Designation traces it roots back to Canada.

From Canadian Driver:http://www.canadiandriver.com/...s.htm
Once upon a time they built a highway between Vancouver, British Columbia, and the resort community of Whistler, high in the Canadian Coastal Mountains. The road was very steep with lots of curves. So lovely was it that they called it the Sea-to-Sky Highway.

It was very beautiful, but, it was also very deadly.

Often, skiers depart Vancouver with its nice green lawns, only to find the Sea-to-Ski Highway covered in heavy snow and very slippery. Many of the holidayers are in vehicles ill-equipped for the road conditions - cars shod only with all-season tires.

Along the side of the road are barriers used by the RCMP to stop and warn drivers whose cars don't have proper snow tires. Sometimes, the Mounties close the road altogether.

Despite the RCMP's measures, in 1995 there was a string of fatalities along the Sea-to-Sky Highway, also known as Hwy. 99. Investigating officers identified the problem as a lack of snow traction, coupled with lack of information for motorists to identify whether they had true snow tires or just "all-season" tires, which are a compromise.

These Mounties brought the problem to the attention of coroners. In 1995, Vince Cain, the chief coroner of British Columbia, wrote to Transport Canada asking that a method be developed to let non-experts know when they were looking at a true snow tire, that is, a tire suitable for severe conditions and not an "all season" tire.

The letter crossed the desk of John Neufeld, an automotive safety engineer at Transport Canada in Ottawa.

Now, the 14 or so major tire companies are all brutal competitors. They're headquartered all over the world. They each have their own standards and closely guarded testing secrets. Building consensus among them as to what constituted a repeatable test that would identify tires that performed to a certain acceptable standard - well, that wasn't easy.

Working with the Rubber Association of Canada and the Rubber Manufacturers Association in the U.S., Mr. Neufeld identified a particular test procedure of the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM). This test evaluates tires in real-world snow conditions.

After a lot of discussion, all the tiremakers agreed to adopt that recommended ASTM standard, along with the pictograph of a peaked mountain with a snowflake inside it. The new standard was announced in February 1999.

Today, if a tire bears the pictograph, even drivers who cannot read well will know it meets specific snow traction performance requirements and has been designed for severe snow, ice and winter conditions.

The actions of certain individual Canadians have led to improved winter driving safety for anyone in Canada and the U.S. willing to take advantage of it. And the mountain-snowflake symbol is spreading to Europe and beyond.
What are the requirements?

Each tire is tested as per ASTM (American Society for Testing and Materials):

ASTM F-1805 Snow traction test with equivalent percentage loads

These tests simulate winter driving on snow. The tire must perform 10% better than the ASTM E-1136 Standard Reference Test Tire (Bascially a standard All-Season Tire) to get the Severe Service designation.

Sidenote:

M+S rated tires are not actually tested. To obtain an M+S designation, the tires simply have a void area of 25% (area without rubber ie. tread) and must have lateral grooves. Just about every tire short of racing slicks meet this requirement.

Are all winter tires the same?

Here is the tricky part. The Severe Service standard only sets a minimum threshold of traction. Some complain that this threshold is quite low and is not stringent enough. There are some independent tests for winter tires out there. One such test was performed by a consumer Advocacy group: The APA (Automobile Protection Association) in Canada:

http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=97

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Update: Dec 1, 2008

We just had our first real snowfall. About 2" of heavy slushy snow.

The Hankooks did not bad. Traction is decent for what they are: An inexpensive snow tire.

Now the bad part: The constant thrumming noise at highway speeds (Above 60mph or 100km/h) is a bit annoying. Either I slow down or turn on the radio to help drown it out.

I think I will live with these tires for this winter. But next year I may opt for something quieter.

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If you are looking for quiet winter tires, I would recommend the Michelin X-Ice2.

They are quieter than the all seasons contis.

Really great on the highways, still wait some snow to test them in fresh snow accumulation.

They may not be as good as the Nokian you were looking for in deep snow on back roads, but I will keep you up to date on that.

Everybody in Canada got some snow already, except Montreal and southshore of Montreal

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Thanks Pescakl1, but I already spent my budget on tires for this year... and I want to replace the crap Conti's in the spring.

To all those looking for winter tires, I would recommend something other than the Hankooks... esp if you don't like tire noise.

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You are welcome, I was answering your last sentence (next winter).

My wife has the Blizzak WS60 on her car and is really happy with them. Did not have the chance to drive them on highway yet, but will do a review on them too when I will have the chance, and report my wife's feedback after the first snowfall.

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I bought 16 x 7 inch aluminum wheels (5 -100/114 pattern) and Yokohama Geolander I/T+ snow tires. The wheels and tires cost $855 out the door. I did not spend the extra $350 for the TPMS sensor valves. Consequently, I have a TPMS light the whole time, but that has been OK.

Traction has been great and they look as good as the factory set.


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We have just gotten our second major storm in the past week, and this time, with 2 feet of snow, on top of some marginally plowed ice, I did not want to chance the OEM Continental tires with about 12K miles. It has felt as though they were slipping for some time, and having totaled my beloved Jeep last January, I didn't want to take any chances when I drive to NY for Xmas tomorrow.

I bought a set of Hak 5's today and had them mounted on my alloy wheels since the steel wheels were not available here when I made the decision pretty suddenly this morning. I will look for a set of steel wheels for the next tire change, but I wanted to me sure that I could drive to NY without danger.

I truly believe that they may have saved my life tonight as I drove home on country roads, with snow and ice, and some idiot pushing me to exceed the dry posted speed limit, on a road where I couldn't get off to let him pass.

They felt stable and solid and while I am not likely to drive like a hot rod driver, the Rogue handled quite well. I felt much more confident driving home with the Continentals in plastic in the back and the Hak's on the road!

My thanks to Phillipa and Ednog and all the others here for the information and guidance!

One question remains. The tire dealer said the Altima steel rims were 16 inch and wouldn't fit the SL Rogue. That's not what I understood from you all.. Clarification would be appreciated.

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njr wrote:One question remains. The tire dealer said the Altima steel rims were 16 inch and wouldn't fit the SL Rogue. That's not what I understood from you all.. Clarification would be appreciated.
The 16" Altima steel rims fit my Rogue SL FWD just fine. I cannot see why the dealer thought they wouldn't. The S models get 16" steel rims and there are no mechanical differences between the S and SL.

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Philipa.... I see on Nissan website that 2009 Altima has 16"x7" rims.... will those work fine with most winter tires vs 16x6.5?

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bboard wrote:Philipa.... I see on Nissan website that 2009 Altima has 16"x7" rims.... will those work fine with most winter tires vs 16x6.5?
OEM Rogue steel wheels are 16x6.5 +40mm offset.

The 1/2" wider width and 5mm offset (Altima uses +45mm) is not a big deal.

The '02-06 Altima's came with 16x6.5" +45mm which is very close. This and the fact there are tons of used Altima's out there is why I suggested them. I picked up a set for $100 used... that's way cheaper than new.

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Hello Philipa,

Just wondering if you have any more of an opinion on your Hankook tires now that you have driven a full winter on them? Do you still plan to try and get the Nokians this fall?

I'm thinking of buying before the fall rush hits and they seem like they have pretty decent ratings.

Also considering the Gislaved Nordfrost 5 if anyone reading this board has experience or an opinion on those.

Thanks
Modified by chadrock at 11:03 AM 9/29/2009

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Anyone bought wheel covers on their steel rims?

mynissanparts has them for $45 UShttp://www.trademotion.com/par...gid=0

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chadrock wrote:Hello Philipa,

Just wondering if you have any more of an opinion on your Hankook tires now that you have driven a full winter on them? Do you still plan to try and get the Nokians this fall?Modified by chadrock at 11:03 AM 9/29/2009
The Hankook iPike's are OK. Not as good as the Nokian's especially on ice. And they are especially noisy on the highway. I drive them the full winter last year in a variety of conditions.

Would I buy Hankook again? Probably not.

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bboard wrote:Anyone bought wheel covers on their steel rims?

mynissanparts has them for $45 UShttp://www.trademotion.com/par...gid=0
I never buy wheel cover for winter tire because I always lost one during the winter, so I prefer to keep it simple and save money.

Steel rim is synonym of winter tire

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I bought Maxima wheel covers on Ebay to not have this winter look.

As the honda wheel covers, they are hold by the bolts retaining the wheel so I cannot lose them (or that means I lost a wheel too and the wheel cover is not my priority anymore).

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hmm... i'm ready to buy winter tires but just concern about the "look". Any of you have a pic of your ride with winter tires + steel rims on?

Not much good choice out west here in Canada. Arctic claws by cooper will run Cdn $875 all in with 16" rims. Hankook RW07 is about $10 more per tire all in.

There's a massive group buy on redflagdeals for people in Toronto... but the $140 shipping out west killed any savings ... could of got the Hankook rw07 with rims, tire bags etc for $700 all in

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I pay 1140$ tx include in Montreal for 16" rims + Nokian Hakkapilita 5 SUV.


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