What is your Favorite Sub?

[PoorManQ45]

so many people like kicker/audiobahn/and wtf fosgate.. please dont make me laugh... kicker subs sound like **** but have the abbility to get loud... audiobahn just plain sounds like **** and fosgate has sucked for 8 years.. as far as jl goes ... nice product ..would i buy it ........................ hell no way to much money for the quality their giving you.. now some good names... re audio,focal,adire,a/d/s as far as subs go spl wise re has everyone by the balls... xbl2 technology xxx for 500$ and now 53mm of excursion???? find me a jl sub with the same and a flat bl curve????????

Are you trying to start **** in here?

Everyone has their own personal tastes.

I personally like cerwin vega, others do not. Does that mean that they are good/bad? Nope, it means that I like them.

Now, from the names that you named you either know your stuff, or you are just spewing out the info that you got from other sites.

I'm going have to go with the latter because you made the idiotic comment about excursion. Excursion has NOTHING to do with SPL nor Sound Quality. It limits MAXIMUM SPL. THat's it!

pic up a car audio mag and notice that foacl's are always rated "best component speaker" for 900.00 k2p's are the ****... hell we might as talk about ampos too... oooooooo audison.. thats all

LMAO at YOU! For $900 I would put together a bi-amped setup that would stomp the **** out of those focals

Now, please be nice about other's opinions. We're all entitled to our own

[Florida240sx]

I love the Kicker line up.Got 15'' L7 in my hatch right now.Making more things rattle and fall apart than wel...our cars rattle anywayz so it just aids.But the L7 keeps me from hearing the rattles Had 2 12'' comps prior to it.Got pioneer deck 4 pioneer 4x6 in stock mounts and 2 kicker 6x9 3 ways running off a kicker amp.Nice reply PMQ. Yea title of the thread is What is your favorite sub?So don't be putting down other people's systems before your azz gets handed to you.Especially when you got the wrong info

[left channel audio]

my info is not "wrong"..... spl is all about how much air you can push...... putting anyone down?? no just the product..

most people dont know how much money they just throw away on companies like jl.. because they have never been shown products better than that.. i do "know" my stuff .. hell at least id like to think so .. im sorry if i come of a little harsh.... it is just very annoying that in a car audio thread that the truth has not been said yet.. like i said before it is a fact that there are better products for lesser money out there... as far as spl.. ive built state champion vehicles and a civic that placed 3rd in world finals.. im not tryin' to flame here either.. well thats all

[left channel audio]

and as far as your bi-amped steup bring it..... now that was a retail cost but if you think you have something better "at cost" then the shop is allways open .... ready to a/b them anyday..if you dont know cost then pm me and then still see if you know of anyother speaker that will beat it

[EW]

JL Audio 15W3v2 and JL Audio 12W6v2-D4.2005 Alpine Type R and Type X are good too.

[Silvia2b]

Yup, i'll agree with the alpines you mentioned for the price. They continually upgrade the designs so the later model type R's are better since the tinsal leads are finally woven in to the spider.

[Rex]

so many people like kicker/audiobahn/and wtf fosgate.. please dont make me laugh ...

Welcome to our little "Car Audio" corner of NICO .

I'd ask in the future that you tone your posts down. Persistent use of words that require filtering is poor forum etiquette and not appreciated.

Also, if you look back, it doesn't ask "What is the best sub for the dollar?" or for SPL or SQ, it asks "What is your Favorite Sub?". And I can tell you for a fact the ones you listed (both as good and bad) aren't my favorite.

Knowledge, ideas (even some of PMQ's) and help are welcome here.

Thanks and enjoy your stay.

[PoorManQ45]

most people dont know how much money they just throw away on companies like jl.. because they have never been shown products better than that.. i do "know" my stuff .. hell at least id like to think so .. im sorry if i come of a little harsh.... it is just very annoying that in a car audio thread that the truth has not been said yet..

I agree with you on this point. JL Audio is overpriced for what you're getting. They advertise a TON. So that cost gets past on to the customer.

my info is not "wrong"..... spl is all about how much air you can push......

You're partially correct, but excusion still on limits MAXIMUM SPL. The driver, frequency, box type, etc... all play a role in SPL. Don't believe me? Take a look at a compression tweeter. They produce upwards of 110dB 1w/1m @2.83v. They're only moving ~.1mm. Note that most pro audio horns can handle around 100w RMS. Figure that out once. That's pretty damn loud

Now, in subs. I've got a pair of Cerwin Vega 10s that can reproduce a 30Hz signal at ~95dB 1w/1m. And that's only with ~2mm PTP excursion. Note that they have a maximum excursion of ~ .75in PTP. So, they're able to reproduce some prettty high SPL with low excursion AND low power input. To me that's an ideal driver.

Now you, you probably like those drivers that are rated ~85dB 1w/1m BUT can handle like 3000w RMS. Those are good too. They acheive the same end result, maybe a bit louder do to there extremely high power handling ability.

and as far as your bi-amped steup bring it..... now that was a retail cost but if you think you have something better "at cost" then the shop is allways open .... ready to a/b them anyday..if you dont know cost then pm me and then still see if you know of anyother speaker that will beat it

Just wondering. What mains do you like the BEST? Do you prefer a premade component set? Or do you like to pick and choose your drivers and make a passive filter for them? Or pick and choose drivers with an active crossover setup?

[left channel audio]

lots of q's to answer.......lol..i do know that enclosure has everything to do with spl.. but it sure helps when you have a driver than can obtain the number your looking for.. the main reason im in love with re.. is the last vehicle i built was "the truck" .. if you look on some other forumns you might see it.. 8 xxx 12's 10000 watts.. now daily driven could pound out 155db's on the new mic at 30 hz... fairly impressive.. as far as a component set.. i will be completly honest.. i have not heard "in-car" responce from any other speaker set-up better than k2p's..????????? ever........ now in home yes i piece all my stuff together.. but as far as in the car.. even on sq vehicle ive done.. i just hasnt made sence to me yet on why i would do it any other way..

and as far as how loud compression tweets can get. sure and at what freq. was that..... there is a huge number of variable's to get a high decible level at a subsonic freq.. allthough almost daily you hear db level's over that...... just at a much higher freq... good convo. though..how long have you been into it??????because it sounds like you know some stuff..

[EW]

Just because company XYZ can buy off the shelf parts and sell you a woofer does not make them better than another brand. If XYZ had any business, they'd advertise like crazy too. 25 years (the last 15 on a large scale) of success in the lanes means some companies can afford to do what others aspire to do.

[audtatious]

99.x% of all car audio purchases are not for SQ/SPL/IASCA competition. 80%+ of those purchasing the equipment have no clue as to what a SQ or SPL vehicle sounds like. All they want is something that sounds good _to them_, which is 100% subjective. RF/Kicker/JL/etc all make products that function as designed and do great when utilized within the 80th percentile group. When someone buys their product, it is primarily product recognition as they have heard of it and they know the products will work. In this application, they work fine and are easily replacable everywhere.

There has always been higher-end stuff out there that are harder to get, work better (in some appl;ications), and are sometimes cheaper than the highest-end speakers that the top-tier companies produce. They are also "tweaky", harder to find, and harder to get replacements when things go wrong.

There is a reason why Fosgate/JL/etc are huge retailers of car audio. If these "limited" brands could get as much market as those companies, they would do so in a heartbeat. They can't, so they are making a name for themselves within the higher-end level of equipment. None of the equipment is "worse" than the other as they are normally targeted to different audiences.

Personally, I don't care as much for the new stuff as I like the older stuff that was on the market 15+ years ago. Give me some old 12w6 subs, Soundstream Reference/PPI/Orion HCCA amps, AudioControl Xovers, and pre-Rockford MB Quart and I'm a happy camper.

[left channel audio]

well i agree with your post a little..... but there are things out there now that noone was able to create 10 years ago......

and as far as the 80% ...hell whats wrong with telling the members of this board that there are products out there for them that kickass???

[audtatious]

well i agree with your post a little..... but there are things out there now that noone was able to create 10 years ago......

Such as? I see skill levels increasing, amps pushing more power, subs having a larger extension and requiring somewhat smaller boxes. DVD is out, but I had friends doing VHS installs back then. Technology advances, but the basics stay the same.

and as far as the 80% ...hell whats wrong with telling the members of this board that there are products out there for them that kickass???

Nothing, as long as you don't bash everything else while you do it. The way to close someones mind is to tell them that everything they do or have is wrong while everything you believe/have is right.

[PoorManQ45]

Nothing, as long as you don't bash everything else while you do it. The way to close someones mind is to tell them that everything they do or have is wrong while everything you believe/have is right.

Nah, that's how you brainwash them

Kind of like Bose

[left channel audio]

i should really keep my bose comments to myself...........

hahahaha

[EW]

Good-ol'-day syndrome tricks you into thinking that worse, less efficeint technology and products were better than they were. The 12W3v2 is better than the 12W6. The 12W6v2 STOMPS the 12W6. Better materials, adhesives, CAD, research, etc have greatly improved modern products. While SPL is not a measure of SQ, I remember when 150dB was LOUD.

[audtatious]

Good-ol'-day syndrome tricks you into thinking that worse, less efficeint technology and products were better than they were. The 12W3v2 is better than the 12W6. The 12W6v2 STOMPS the 12W6. Better materials, adhesives, CAD, research, etc have greatly improved modern products. While SPL is not a measure of SQ, I remember when 150dB was LOUD.

You sure are making assumptions there....

So, tell me. How has the latest technology changed the basics in car audio?

[PoorManQ45]

It hasn't.

Very little, if anything, has changed over the last ~10~20 years.

WEll, atleast not much has changed for the BETTER. Drivers have become less efficient. Excursion has INCREASED, that's a bad thing, etc...

[audtatious]

It hasn't.

Very little, if anything, has changed over the last ~10~20 years.

WEll, atleast not much has changed for the BETTER. Drivers have become less efficient. Excursion has INCREASED, that's a bad thing, etc...

I agree. Amps have changed to include Xover settings which was not the "norm" in the day. If I were to compare this change in regards to the Kicker KX amp I put in a few weeks ago, I would prefer the old way. Subs have greater excursion, but are still utilized to reproduce sub frequencies.

[left channel audio]

i would have to say that a motor structure is a "basic" thing...........

http://www.acousticconcepts.com.au/Parthenon.html

[audtatious]

i would have to say that a motor structure is a "basic" thing...........

http://www.acousticconcepts.com.au/Parthenon.html

How does that change the sound of a 30hz frequency? I never said there had not been technological advances in design of the components.

[PoorManQ45]

i would have to say that a motor structure is a "basic" thing...........

http://www.acousticconcepts.com.au/Parthenon.html

THat's nice, but at 80mm+ excursion I can guarantee you that that thing produces greater then 10%THD when mounted any way other then vertical. Mount it sideways and it will definately NOT remain linear even with their XBL^2 motor structure.

Now, 121dB @ 20Hz without an enclosure is AWESOME! BUT THD is through the roof

I'd prefer to use a single high efficiency 18in sub. It wouldn't produce nearly that level SPL, but it'd have MUCH higher SQ