Turboing a KADE

[Vernal]

After I fix the leak I have I want to turbo my stock KADE. I dont want 500hp. I just want a casual hp gain (Around the 250ish area). Is there any KADE turbo kits that you dont have to upgrade your fuel pump, fuel rail, etc. Just a bolt on kit that is reliable and wont put a beating on my engine. I want something like the stock s13 SR has. Small turbo that puts out some hp while being reliable.

[180fan]

dunno about kits persay...usually the KA-T folks tend to piece them together as they see fit. Other thing though, is if you're lookin for something that a stock SR has, have you considered a stock sr? I mean if what you're looking for looks like a goat, sounds like a goat, by golly it must be a goat.

[VeloceDrift]

my car should be done this weekend and im turboing my KADE. im using a stock SR turbo. i got an intercooler kit online for fairly cheap that bolts right up and im having a manifold made. i hear good things from the stock ignition and fuel system so hopefully its goin to be ok to run 7psi without much mods. ill let you know how it goes.

[Vernal]

have you considered a stock sr?

I have considered a stock SR. Its too much time, money and effort. I would be doing the swap myself and but its still $2000-$2500 just to get it running in a usdm s13. Also you have to hunt for parts from different vehicles. I just thought that ka-t would be nice because I like the ka and it would be cheaper. I would like to spend less than $1500, but if that is impossible than I guess I'll just stay n/a.

I hear good things from the stock ignition and fuel system so hopefully its goin to be ok to run 7psi without much mods. ill let you know how it goes.

I am looking forward to it. That would be awesome if you could show me a video of your stuff. Also show me how much it puts out and the price it cost you.

[booboo]

my car should be done this weekend and im turboing my KADE. im using a stock SR turbo. i got an intercooler kit online for fairly cheap that bolts right up and im having a manifold made. i hear good things from the stock ignition and fuel system so hopefully its goin to be ok to run 7psi without much mods. ill let you know how it goes.

I am looking forward to it. post some pic's to

[VeloceDrift]

I have considered a stock SR. Its too much time, money and effort. I would be doing the swap myself and but its still $2000-$2500 just to get it running in a usdm s13.

yeah thats why i am doin the KA and over all its a way stronger block and a lot easier to get parts for if i blow it up;) ill be postin some pics and hopefully some numbers as soon as its done.

[Vernal]

yeah thats why i am doin the KA and over all its a way stronger block and a lot easier to get parts for if i blow it up;) ill be postin some pics and hopefully some numbers as soon as its done.

Thats exactly why Im doing about KA-T. Im set on KA-T but Im just not sure when. I was wondering how much its cost you to do your turbo kit you made.

[VeloceDrift]

well i got a intercooler kit on ebay for a couple hundred(an intercooler is an intercool right?) and it came with all bolt up piping. I also had a blown SR in my garage so i got the turbo off that(freebie value) and around 700 for the guy at the shop i go to to build the manifold, tap the oil lines and build a down pipe. just stuff that i dont have the tools to do at my house so over all its not to bad.

[Vernal]

well i got a intercooler kit on ebay for a couple hundred(an intercooler is an intercool right?) and it came with all bolt up piping. I also had a blown SR in my garage so i got the turbo off that(freebie value) and around 700 for the guy at the shop i go to to build the manifold, tap the oil lines and build a down pipe. just stuff that i dont have the tools to do at my house so over all its not to bad.

An intercooler is not an intercool. Its an intercooler. You are talking about the name right? Since I obviously have never put a turbo kit on my car, I am not sure what the price range was. It looks like its going to be $1000-$1500, hopefully less. I was just wondering what is wrong with ebay stuff? I heard that the turbos are bad, but what is wrong with ebay manifolds, downpipes, etc. Pretty much everything except the turbo. Well good luck with your kit I hope to see some pics and videos soon.

[VeloceDrift]

just be careful what you buy on ebay.. sorry i ment to say and intercooler is and intercooler meaning i really dont care if its a cheap ebay one right now cuz im only running low boost til i build my motor.(the car on the far left of my signature is my ebay Intercooler) i would say its safe to buy one on ebay and it would probably be safe to buy manifolds and what not too. just remember that you get what you pay for so be careful with that. if you just want to run low boost right now i would just find a stock turbo of some turboed car. my friends first turbo was off a old sabb 700 that we got for 50 bucks at pick n pull and it made his car fly. after that he only needed to spend like 400 to rebuild it and basically make it a brand new turbo capable of handling 28psi. the only problem with that is that if its not a turbo made for the manifold then their will need to be some customizing done to make it fit. If you can do the work yourself you will save some money but if not just find a good shop that will do the work. it will probably be kinda pricey though if you need a lot of custom mods. Ive also bought a RFL blow off vaulve for pretty cheap on ebay and it was fine. other then that its really just piecing it together.. what i did is bought everything slowly piece by piece and fanally got everything.

[Vernal]

I think I might do that. I'll just look for good prices on everything individually. I would like a smic for the sleeper look I am going for and plus I am not going to boost a lot. I just want a subtle increase in hp, I am not a pro drifter, I just like to fool around. So a stock SR turbo would be fine I guess. For the manifold, is there any already made KA manifolds that can bolt up to a stock SR turbo? If so, then I could just buy the KA manifold and then get everything else from an SR.

[VeloceDrift]

im not sure if their is a manifold that will bolt directly up to the SR turbo. you will have to do some research for that. if you want to do a side mount then you might as well go with the stock SR side mount intercooler. the nice thing is it came off a 240sx so it will go on one very easy.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...sting

[Vernal]

im not sure if their is a manifold that will bolt directly up to the SR turbo. you will have to do some research for that. if you want to do a side mount then you might as well go with the stock SR side mount intercooler. the nice thing is it came off a 240sx so it will go on one very easy.

Yeah I'll do some research. I'll probably end up getting just a smaller turbo and use a smic.

[ruckus1027]

hey vernal...i think me n you are pretty much trying to achieve the same thing.....haha...lol im boosting my ka too....ne ways....i think the stock sr turbo is a t25...so basically look for a manifold that fits t25 turbos....theyre selling for like 150-250 in the nico marketplace....as for me right now i need to find a decent ka...my car wen i bought it....the motor went to hell and back....so its crap right now....my plans though is to find a recently rebuilt motor....t25/t28 turbo....smic...im not sure about my injectors...depends if in the end i have money for 370cc's, jwt ecu, and z32 mafs then ill do that...that also allows for boost higher than 7psi...

[Vernal]

Sounds cool man. I want to boost around the 7-10 psi range. I just don't want to have to upgrade my fuel system or anything else. I really just want a plug n play kind of thing.

[pigiepigie]

no there is not sorry , for the bad news my freind.

[Vernal]

no there is not sorry , for the bad news my freind.

No what?

[redtop91]

225whp can be had easily for under 1k. You should email WDRacing (Brian) he can hook you up. You should go SR though

[Vernal]

225whp can be had easily for under 1k. You should email WDRacing (Brian) he can hook you up. You should go SR though

So is he WDRacing on here? Anyway like I said before SR is too much time, money and effort. With a KA-T I can just go to autozone and ask him for parts from a 1993 240sx and everything works out with no confusion. Anyway everybody goes SR so the KA-T people are the different ones.

[booboo]

do not go sr i like the ka too and i have a 1991sx

Many people are unaware about the capabilities of the KA24DE. Yes, it is a truck engine! And yes almost every turbo 240sx out on the street is SR20 powered. Many of us that do not have a lot of money to put into our cars, but want something strong and fast, should go with the KA. Also, the SR20 is an imported engine, and if something breaks, one will have to spend a lot of money to get the parts, but the KA24 came in all the 240sx, some Altimas, some Xterra and Frontier, meaning that there is tons of parts out there for them. The SR20DE nonturbo has 140 hp and 132ft. lbs. torque. The KA24DE has 155 hp and 160ft. lbs. torque. Compare the two and the KA24DE has very strong internals and strong base because of its truck root. It is true that the powerband on the SR20 is wider, but the KA24 cannot be ruled out. If you buy a 240sx, 9 out of 10 times if will have a KA24 in it. Also the KA24DE has more displacement, iron block and is cheaper than the SR20. To get a good SR20DE on your car one will have to spend at least $2000 on the engine with decent miles, then all the wiring to make it work with the 240, transmission, you might have to get a turbo if the SR20 is not a turbo, and all of its components. That will be a total of about $4000. All this money to get 220hp out of the SR20DE-T. If one puts $4000 on the KA24DE and turbo, it will be a hell of a street car. and will be spanking the SR20DE-T any day.
Modified by booboo at 8:27 PM 3/19/2007

[Vernal]

do not go sr i like the ka too and i have a 1991sx

Many people are unaware about the capabilities of the KA24DE. Yes, it is a truck engine! And yes almost every turbo 240sx out on the street is SR20 powered. Many of us that do not have a lot of money to put into our cars, but want something strong and fast, should go with the KA. Also, the SR20 is an imported engine, and if something breaks, one will have to spend a lot of money to get the parts, but the KA24 came in all the 240sx, some Altimas, some Xterra and Frontier, meaning that there is tons of parts out there for them. The SR20DE nonturbo has 140 hp and 132ft. lbs. torque. The KA24DE has 155 hp and 160ft. lbs. torque. Compare the two and the KA24DE has very strong internals and strong base because of its truck root. It is true that the powerband on the SR20 is wider, but the KA24 cannot be ruled out. If you buy a 240sx, 9 out of 10 times if will have a KA24 in it. Also the KA24DE has more displacement, iron block and is cheaper than the SR20. To get a good SR20DE on your car one will have to spend at least $2000 on the engine with decent miles, then all the wiring to make it work with the 240, transmission, you might have to get a turbo if the SR20 is not a turbo, and all of its components. That will be a total of about $4000. All this money to get 220hp out of the SR20DE-T. If one puts $4000 on the KA24DE and turbo, it will be a hell of a street car. and will be spanking the SR20DE-T any day.

Modified by booboo at 8:27 PM 3/19/2007

Amen brotha. That is exactly what Im talking about. In the words of Borat "High Five!"

[redtop91]

KA-T people are the different ones.

No actually. They are both just as played out. This is the reason why most people don't go SR. There is plenty of misinformation in this thread. Like SR parts not being attainable. Most parts are exchangeable with the B13 Sentra and you can go to Autozone to buy those.

[redtop91]

To get a good SR20DEModified by booboo at 8:27 PM 3/19/2007

Putting a DE into a 240 = failure. The iron block on the KA makes no difference in any realistic boost levels. KA's will require rebuilds for 99% of the turbocharging. The misinfo goes on and on. Choose what you want but at least be informed about it and ask people who know what they are talking about.

[180fan]

rofl. yes indeed both the ka-t and the sr are played out. along with anything that's got a bolt in kit available now. The whole idea of "be different" and "parts readily available" are different ends of the spectrum for the most part. You want to be different, get a v10 in there. Everything else has been done and done.

The idea of "I want to be different" needs to GTFO since most folks don't have the wallets large enough to be sufficiently different from everyone else. If the solution is simple, many other people have walked that path before. Get over it.

Parts run aplenty for both the KA and SR. I helped get alot of the part numbers for the SR with USDM equivalents before SpeedRacer came with his US and JPN FAST data and verified alot of what we already knew. Again, previous logic = fail.

Dump 4k into a fast ka? well considering most of them also have a great deal of mileage and not necessarily a good maintenance history, you're shooting in the dark as to whether or not it'll be a good candidate for turbocharging. The same logic goes for the SR as well. You bought an engine that was sitting in a junkyard for who knows how long and for who knows what reason it was junked. You can have an awesome engine for 4k for either KA, SR or CA.

Getting more power and building up your car is not a cheap hobby. If it is, expect reasons as to why it was cheap. Pick your poison accordingly.

[Vernal]

Not everything is interchangable with a sentra se-r. I know you didnt say that but I just don't want to buy parts from 2 or 3 different cars. What I am trying to do is to mildly boost my car just for a little hp. There is no possible way that a SR is cheaper than a KA-T if it is going to be boosted mildly. You guys are arguing which is the better engine that can produce the most power. I was just stating that I think the KA-T is the cheaper, easier and more reliable way to mildly boost my car. If I was going to make a 400hp beast I would most likely go SR. You are right about them both being played out, but where I live the only turbo 240s have SRs. I havent seen a KA-T in person. Say what you will but I was just trying to get advice on the whole KA-T setup.

[Ligouri Rd]

Sounds cool man. I want to boost around the 7-10 psi range. I just don't want to have to upgrade my fuel system or anything else. I really just want a plug n play kind of thing.

no there is not sorry , for the bad news my freind.

No what?

-I believe what was trying to be said was that there is no kit or setup that will get you boosting safely in the 7-10# range without upgrading your fuel system. The first thing you want to consider is fuel, otherwise ::ping p-ping ping:: there goes your engine.And it's not like its difficult1) Walbro fuel pump=1hr install time, just wires in where the stocker was.2) 370cc Sr injectors, they fit right into the stock fuel rail <1hr install time...just be careful and lube up the o-rings real good so they don't tear on install. 3) Safc to compensate for the larger injectors. Done, this is the essence of "plug and play"

[Vernal]

Were the stock SR injectors 370cc? I just want something similar to a stock SR setup on my KA.

[booboo]

yes the sr20det injectors are 370cc

[redtop91]

Not everything is interchangable with a sentra se-r.

Nothing major ever breaks on mild boost SR's so special order parts almost never need to be ordered. Mild boost KA's mostly will at least require new piston rings which equates to motor disassembly and added cost and effort. Above mild boost, most KA's will require forged internals, yet another disassembly and added cost.

There is no possible way that a SR is cheaper than a KA-T if it is going to be boosted mildly.

Maybe so but just because you are mildly boosting a KA does not mean you are failure exempt. SR's almost always are safe at mild, even high boost levels. SR's are sleeved as well so the iron block thing? Null and void.

Say what you will but I was just trying to get advice on the whole KA-T setup.

Nothing wrong with that. You have just ruled out the SR on obviously incorrect info. Like I mentioned before at least be informed about something before ruling it out.

[Vernal]

Nothing wrong with that. You have just ruled out the SR on obviously incorrect info. Like I mentioned before at least be informed about something before ruling it out.

Its not incorrect info. The SR is more expensive thats why I ruled it out. That is 100% true. It is not automatic that I need piston rings and forged internals to mildly boost my KA. That depends on the mileage and condition of the motor. My motor is in great condition and has less than 90k miles.