To all of you audiophiles: Is there any "normal" looking headunits, that kick arse?

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dorifkin wrote:The eclipse 8454 will sound better than any US spec Nak.


That's great you think so, but it's an unqualified statement.

[quote=" dorifkin It also has all the features your looking for and then more. Like 8v preouts and there ESN security network. [/quote]

What makes the ESN so good other than once you're HU is stolen, it can't be used?? I'd rather pull the face and not have it stolen in the first place.

As to other features, the only things that a real SQ setup needs that the CD400 doesnt have is time correction and maybe a broader EQ (thats debatable). And 4V vs. 8v as long as your within the sensitivity range of the amplifier and the gains are set correctly isnt going change the SQ.

That said, I think Eclipse makes excellent SQ units. Ultimately, it's all preference and there's always a tradeoff.


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Thank you for your comments NY...

Now that I know of the CD500, I'm perplexed..

Yes I know MP3 doesn't represent ultimate fidelity, but the trade off between sound quality and way more music is not a bad one.. I can always burn it back to CD format, if i want the uber quality..

I wish I wouldn't have found the CD-500!!! According to NAK it won't be out here, until 4th quarter 2k4... I'm considering ordering it from another country.. I won't get a warranty, but that's a chance I will have take..

I want to get the tweeter grills from a 94 and retrofit them onto the pillars of a first gen.. I want to get a nice pair of tweeters, and replace all 4 OEM speakers.. A few subs and an amp, and I should be good to go, besides the sat radio. I should be able to hook this straight into the aux of the nak unit..

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I'm really not that educated and up on the latest stuff, when ti comes to car audio..

I appreciate all your guys comments, thanks..

Can you guide me to the correct speaker size/tweeter size, and also amp/sub recommendations??? anything else I am forgetting?

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Here is Mine...Rockford Fosgate 8250Ti..Made by Denon for RF. Pretty stock looking and Audiophile grade.



Another shot...

Doesn't do MP3's ore any other "Bells/Whistles", but sound DAMN good with Balanced OUT, AUX In (for MP3 if needed), Copper Chassis, and did I mention AWESOME sound??

Mike

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I forgot to mention that you can get it from SOUND DOMAIN for .....

Get this..

$300.00!! :ylsuper :ylsuper :eek: :eek:

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I recommended that RF to someone else after having seen the price for a Denon rebadge ( I think the Denon unit retails around $700, maybe more, con't remember). I thought about it myself, but ultimately couldnt do brushed aluminum in my car.

Anyway, I haven't heard it, only other Denon units. What do you think, Mikey?

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Brushed aluminum.. that's sexy..

I wonder how that would look on a Q with carbon fibre trim?

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NY94J30 wrote:Anyway, I haven't heard it, only other Denon units. What do you think, Mikey?


Its an AWESOME unit with excellent music reproduction. it doesn't have the cool features like Remote/Graphics/MP3 etc, but the sound quality more than makes up for it.

For the price range, its very much BANG FOR THE BUCK and it looks way better in person than the pics..very classy feel to it and the champaigne/silver look is just sexy.

You can't go wrong if you want an OEM sorta look and easy to use.

I got ONE irk about it is that the Eject Button is on the LEFT side which took a bit of time to get used to.

Mikey

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Here is a small review I did a while back comparing it to my previous deck which was the Alpine 7995.

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Over the weekend I finally got around to installing this HU in my SUV and here are my results (vs the Alpine 7995):

SQ Difference- The 8250ti definitely sounds different than the 7995.- I believe that the 7995 is NOT THAT much different, but I do prefer the 8250ti over it SQ wise.- The 8250ti seems to have brought my sound stage closer to me rather than farther (pass the dash). This I think is due to NO Digital processing such as time alignment and speaker placement.- The midbass response has been improved, but to a point were its very easy to localize.- The Highs didn't change tooo much, as a matter of fact, I think it even laid it back a tad - My soundstage definitely got a lot wider than expected, but I think this has something to do with NOT having any type of time alignment and speaker placement.- Midrange such as FEMALE vocals sounds fantastic, but the center image is definitely not there. I get Driver side BIAS and Im sure its because of the OEM Location.- Midrange such as MALE vocals sounds just as good and has the same Driver side bias effect PLUS the stage seems to drop lower (right below the top of the Steering wheel section)- Overall tonal balance is fantastic, but I wouldn't say that it "BLOWS" the 7995 away.CONCLUSION: I believe that with better speaker placement and minor adjustments, I can get MUCH better results out of the set-up as a WHOLE.

INSTALL Issues- ISO mounting was easy because I have an Infiniti (Nissan), it bolted right onto the OEM bracket, but since I have a double din opening, I now have a HUGE empty space on my dash which will be rectified when I get my front mount Xover (Tru F1).- The RCA connectors are very sexy BTW and the power/ground/multiple remote wires/illumination have male/female bullet connectors, so i didnt have to do any cutting as I had some of these types of connectors.- I didnt get to use the trim ring it came with tho, its tooo flimsy anyway.CONCLUSION: If you have ISO mounting capabilities and a single din, you should be golden!

AESTHETICS- Its very sexy looking and the titanium finish matches well with my interior and the color of the dash (slightly dark grey).- The copper/gold buttons adds a tad of CLASS to this unit and compliments the scheme of my interior.- The simple look I definitely enjoy.CONCLUSION: Its well worth its price ($350 from SD thanks to Juan)

ERGONOMICS- Take you time to get familiar with the buttons or it can get confusing, like mentioned before, the pause is on the RIGHT SIDE when usually you will see an Eject button there.- The Eject button is on the LEFT SIDE which again is confusing and if you have FAT FINGERS, it may be a challenge for you to press the "CORRECT" button as they are small and next to each other.- Once you get the buttons down, its very easy to operate.- The volume knob has a feel of "HIGH END" to it.- The display can use some help specially during the day.- A remote would have been Dandy - The CD mechanism takes a little bit longer to read the CDs and it makes this strange noise after you insert a CD.CONCLUSION: I like the 7995 better on the Ergo side.

ISSUES- NO Issues about CDRs / Scratched CDs and CDRs and SKIPPING yet

CONCLUSION:My imaging issue was always there, but I temporarily fixed it with time alignment and now that I don't have this feature and I plan on using this unit, a LOT more work has to be done to get it to where I can consider my system "competition material".

Mikey

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az-just a note i thought i'd mention. i mounted my tweeters on the sail panels in front of the mirrors, trying for a little more directional sound. i considered finding 94+ pillars, but decided it wasn't worth my effort, pparticulary not knowing ahead of time mounting depth/diameter allowances behind it. anyway, depending on what tweeter you get, it doesn't have to look as obtrusive as it sounds. i originally was planning on infinity's kappa series component speakers, but the garishness of the tweeter design turned me off. randy

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You know Mikey, when I bought my Nak , I also looked at those 2 units (7995 and the 8250ti), as well as the Eclipse 5423. I heard the alpine and eclipse head up and made the same observation about the spatial distance of the stage as compared to the eclipse. I then heard the eclipse and nakamichi head up and found the Nak more crisp and full in the mid range and midbass. The Alpine was a little brighter, but I don't like bright.

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gloucester Q,

Do you have any pics of your tweeters?

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az-i can get some up later this weekend. randy

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That's the only pic I have of the front tweeters right now. Maybe it'll be of a little help.

Corey

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I would like to try to retrofit the 94+ tweeters onto the 90-93 pillar.

Is there a bulge like that near th end of the tweeter in the first gens? Or is that bulge there to fit the tweetzer. If the bulge was there, it would be a perfect fit. Anyway it shouldn't be to hard to make it look OEM

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I thought someone said the 94+ a pillar's could be used in a 90-93 with little/no mods.

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That seems to be the consensus. Although I would like to hear it confirmed by someone who has done it, or has knowledge of it being done...

I think I am going to try out the CD-500...


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