This burns my soul

[AZhitman]

^ You didn't have to get all mushy, LOL...

[Shift_Altima]

^ You didn't have to get all mushy, LOL...

We can start fighting again if you prefer

[121traffic]

dangeris, that was a real stand up post. I will admit that I can get pretty heated too.

I think that we're not going to change eachothers' minds here. What's say we get this thread back on track?

I don't know how I feel about confiscating cars after street racing either. I guess I'd be okay with it with some sort of three strike rule. I pretty much guarantee that the cars in the article weren't just taken after a first offense. In fact, they were probably taken through some sort of asset forfeiture, i.e. used in the commission of narcotics trafficking.

That being said, I fully support undercover cars like this. Both through LEGIT forfeiture, and PDs buying the cars with their own budgets. I DO hate reckless drivers, and I would love to cruise for them in a souped Z! I dunno about pulling up and revving though...that's a bit close to entrapment for me. (i.e. actively encouraging someone to do something, then busting them)

[Shift_Altima]

Yo 121.. how do LEO's officially 'confiscate' a car. Do they just take it and not give it back? Or does it get impounded and noone claims it so they use it for the police? How does it work exactly..

[brizanden]

Isnt that entrapment.... the kid would not have been speeding if the cop didnt pull up next to him and start revving his engine

i would say 60% of people dont know little laws like these so cops get away with it. just another way ignorant people are deeming our countries founding rights lol. just u wait orwellian society is coming

[cuzzbubba420]

Are you still crying???

[cuzzbubba420]

They confiscate your car by taking your keys and throwing you in the back of their car while laughing.. Look, these guys can preach as much as they want about how their 'cops' are soooooo straight but in the end the truth is the truth.. Some are okay and some are not...

[121traffic]

LMAO cuzzbubba. Put some honest thought into it. Do you honestly think the cops are just "stealing" cars? Please.

Yes, some cops aren't the most honest people, but to imply that they're actually seizing the cars outside the bounds of the law are a bit ludicrous. Disagree with the policy all you want. Understand the fact, though, that a seizure policy has to be approved in ALL cases by top brass, and in most cases the city's management! I.e. city council, city manager, city attorney, mayor's office, etc. Contrary to what you want people to think, cops do not have free will to just commit grand theft auto, writ large.

shift-altima, it all depends on what policy the PD is uaing to justify the confiscation. At the very least, the city/town whatever has to pass some sort of legislation allowing the PD to do it, whether it be for multiple street racing violations, etc. OR, some larger departments may work under drug forfeiture laws. I.e. if you get caught in your souped up Z hauling large quantities or narcotics, or if the government can prove yu purchased the car from funds gained from narcotics distribution. I don't know much about the federal narcotics seizure laws, but that's the jist of them.

I don't know how the OP town is doing it though. Be interesting to find out.

[AZhitman]

They confiscate your car by taking your keys and throwing you in the back of their car while laughing.. Look, these guys can preach as much as they want about how their 'cops' are soooooo straight but in the end the truth is the truth.. Some are okay and some are not...

Yes, we're all confused.

Let's all hear what "bubba" has to say on the matter, since he's an expert. I hear he's had his license now for almost NINE years!!!

The good news is, he'll never have his car confiscated - They usually only arrest the guy who's out in front.

[LongBeachCoupe]

5% all the way around... still though!

[cuzzbubba420]

Nah man, I don't think they are *stealing* them I was implying that if they catch you racing they can confiscate your car...etc.. I hardly think a cop is just going up to random people are confiscating their ride..

[cuzzbubba420]

That was so creative......... Keep trying big guy, I can still hear ya crying..

[cuzzbubba420]

Why would you comment on how long I've had my license. That has to be the most moronic thing I've ever seen posted on here. Don't hate on me because your heading towards 40 pal and as far as I can see you don't act your age.

[mcheddadi]

Haven't read the thread , but damn! my SOUL has been burning since Friday because of it lol!

[LongBeachCoupe]

Bubba... all i know is the nissanclub forums arent as cool as nico... i wouldnt talk like that to AZ... regardless of your differences...Guys, please take it easy... the only thing burning are the ricers! Take a xanax and chill people!

[notaverage]

I will not EVER judge a cop unless he's been investigated and found guilty by internal affairs or by a jury of his peers.

Really you won't prematurely judge cops? Well, I will, just like they judge me prematurely. BTW, for the record, I think you're full of sh*t

[cuzzbubba420]

That's good for him man and I ain't trying to be a jerk but the guy is there throwing insults.. But I gotcha man, I ain't trying to mess this thread up so I apologize for arguing on it..

[notaverage]

I don't know if 121 ever served in the military but I've served in two 2 conflicts and have been in firefights beyond belief. Nothing is more scarier than dropping into a hot zone at night via parachute and all you can see is muzzle flashes from the ground and bullets whizzing by you! I'm not knocking down LEO, in fact, I have lots of friends who are LEOs. But none of them (that I know of) abuse their power given to them while on the job...but like I said...not that I know of!

Thank you for serving our country dangeris, it really makes me mad when cops think they put their lives on the line for citizens. Cops get paid VERY well for what they do (and don't do), but soldiers don't. Soldiers don't get as much respect as they should, and cops love to glorify themselves.

I love working for BAE Systems, our motto is "the soldier is our customer"...and I am very proud to serve the soldiers that serve our country. We design vehicles that save soldier lives! I only wish cops were as humble as our soldiers.

[brizanden]

That's good for him man and I ain't trying to be a jerk but the guy is there throwing insults.. But I gotcha man, I ain't trying to mess this thread up so I apologize for arguing on it..

lol ur crusin for tht action lol

[Hussain]

i didn't mean that cops just take your car like in the game grand theft auto but what i was saying is that i just feel that it's wrong to confiscate cars. someone worked hard to pay for the car and you just come and take it because they raced someone. i think a great alternative would be to just ban the car from the road (permanently revoke registration). if the car is banned from the road, they'll have no choice but to take it to the track and they won't be racing on the streets anymore. lives will get saved, people will keep there cars, people will have fun at the track.... win/win situation.

that was regarding confiscation from racing, i guess drugs would be different so i guess confiscation because of drug related crimes is fine

[windex]

ROFL the first page of this thread sure is heated up. With that being said. Some cops don't abuse their power some do... I have 2 friends that are cops ones really strict about the rules. The other, turned on his lights and let us go 80 in a 45 following behind him (12 cars). Also I've seen cops on numerous occasions turn on there lights to run a red light, and 100 yards afterwards turn them b****es off. And one last note. Unmarked police cars can kiss my a$$ cause i'm not stopping for an unmarked. There were a few instances in louisiana where people were being attacked after someone pulled them over pretending to be a cop.

[LongBeachCoupe]

Oddly enough here in NY, they allow "ride alongs" meaning you can cruise with a "family member" on the beat! Ive been trying to get my friend to bend the rules a bit and push the paperwork along... I cant imagine being with him when hes stopping cars in Far Rockaway NY!

[maxentropy]

5% all the way around... still though!

AHA!

[dangeris]

Thank you for serving our country dangeris, it really makes me mad when cops think they put their lives on the line for citizens. Cops get paid VERY well for what they do (and don't do), but soldiers don't. Soldiers don't get as much respect as they should, and cops love to glorify themselves.

I love working for BAE Systems, our motto is "the soldier is our customer"...and I am very proud to serve the soldiers that serve our country. We design vehicles that save soldier lives! I only wish cops were as humble as our soldiers.

LOL,..you work for BAE? I work for Lockheed Martin. Our motto is "We never forget who we're working for!" What a crock of S**T! We're actually developing the new HUMVEEs for the military as well as armored troop transporters here in my facility.

Really you won't prematurely judge cops? Well, I will, just like they judge me prematurely. BTW, for the record, I think you're full of sh*t

First off, thank you for your comment about my serving I love serving our beloved country and would do it again if need be!

Now back to the topic at hand, IMO, I think that was an unfair statement. Remember, although some may not think they are alike, but a soldier in a hot zone is like a LEO in a hot zone. The only thing different is a hot zone in the military is defined to a specific area. While to an LEO, when they hit the street, they are in the hot zone. Hell for that matter, we're all in a hot zone, we work, play, raise our kids and family, everything in a hot zone. 911 proved that to be true. In today's society, No one has respect for LEO's. I read it in the papers all the time as well as on the internet. Kids pulling guns out on LEO's and firing at them not caring what the consequences are. They have to protect themselves first so they can protect us. When I was in Iraq, I treated everyone, when we were on patrol, as a threat until proven otherwise. I've made little children and old ladies lay face down on the ground with their hands on top of their heads while I was aiming my M-16 at them. Mean while we're shaking them down for bombs strapped on their person. Remember, in their culture, dying is a higher level of life. I wasn't pretty and I didn't like it..not one freakin bit.

Sure we prejudge people and all of us are guilty of it. Some more than others. With that said, people prejudge others because of past experiences. Imagine if you were a LEO and you happen to be in pursuit of some guy racing on the street, he proceeds to elude you by swerving in and out of traffic, essentially putting innocent people at risk, then tries to ditch the car, then pulls out a weapon and starts firing at you. What do you think you would do the next time you were in that situation?

121's response of he'll never judge another cop is legit! Just like I would never judge another soldier who is serving next to me unless that person was proven to be a traitor. But that accusation would only to be to that ONE particular person and NOT the whole US ARMY. I know that there are instances in our lives that can't be help and are a big influence of how we think and feel. But if we all take a moment and look at it more closely, you'll be able to see and appreciate the other person's point of view.

With that said, I'm getting off my now.

[JLAUDIO85]

WHOA i havent been following this thread...what happend to it ahahi just sapent like 30 mins at work reading this thread but i only skim thru it...look like everyone got so heated up lol i love it

SOOOOOhow about that 350Z ehh...ITS SEXY AINT IT

[AZhitman]

Really you won't prematurely judge cops? Well, I will, just like they judge me prematurely. BTW, for the record, I think you're full of sh*t

Gee, there's an intellectual post from someone who didn't read the whole thread...

[LinkNuc]

Hey I just got a ticket from a a damn camera, but as far as street racing, good for the cops! Have a kid or a loved one get hurt in a needless auto accident, you'll change your tune...yes of course some cops abuse (usually locals and kids (rookies) as well) but for the most part be courteous and don't drive like a total douche bag and you should be ok...

I wonder what the age range is for those pissed and those pro-350z interceptors...I'd be the cut off age is around 25-26...seems thats when I started cooling off a little

Our police force is there to protect and serve and 99.9% of the time they do, like I said usually locals and rookies especially local rooks need a few years,but all in all, I have NEVER gotten a ticket i didn't deserve and damn well go out of a lot because of respect shown...

BUt as far as the camera ticket oh well...still debating the "qualified operator" review..but like I said I may have been speeding and just wasn;t paying attention
Modified by LinkNuc at 4:08 PM 3/11/2008

[AZhitman]

Thank you for serving our country dangeris, it really makes me mad when cops think they put their lives on the line for citizens. Cops get paid VERY well for what they do (and don't do)

Really? Any idea what a beat cop makes in this country?

You have no clue what you're talking about.

And for the record, there's overpaid slackerass soldiers running around too. Remember, not all military personnel fight. Some sit in an office and drink coffee.

Broad generalizations really erode your credibility.

[121traffic]

Really you won't prematurely judge cops? Well, I will, just like they judge me prematurely. BTW, for the record, I think you're full of sh*t

Sorry pal, you're a little late for the f*ckfest. That's okay though. From the sound of things, you've always been one step behind. Tell us about your terrible experiences being judged by every single cop who's ever met you? Could it be maybe they judge you because you come off sounding like you've got a chip on your shoulder? Remember one thing. Cops are hired to save your as*, not kiss it.

And BTW, for the record, I'll let you know when I start to care about what you think about me.

Thank you for serving our country dangeris, it really makes me mad when cops think they put their lives on the line for citizens. Cops get paid VERY well for what they do (and don't do), but soldiers don't. Soldiers don't get as much respect as they should, and cops love to glorify themselves.I love working for BAE Systems, our motto is "the soldier is our customer"...and I am very proud to serve the soldiers that serve our country. We design vehicles that save soldier lives! I only wish cops were as humble as our soldiers.

As I've already said, I also have a deep respect for our military.

Don't put our lives on the line, huh? Glorify ourselves? Whatevery you say, guy. Our numbers obviously won't compare to military casualties during wartime. Those guys do a DANGEROUS job. But you tell yourself whatever you want. As I said, I don't care about you enough to waste too much of my time explaining my job to you. Luckily I'm a fairly quick typist. I will let the statistics speak for themselves. 2007 was pretty awful for cops in general, with 186 killed in the line of duty. 65 of those were due to gunfire being exchanged with suspects. Another 57 in automobile-related accidents, either being smacked on the side of the road, or due to accidents during emergency responses. 10 were victims of vehiclular homicide. The others I can't remember off the top of my head.Let's not forget the emotional toll (much like a soldier's) that events on us take when we see babies flating in bathtubs, people with their heads blown off, or kids that were impregnated by their own biological fathers.

Tell you what, though. I'll start to respect your opinion a little bit more when you write your local paper, publish your full name, and state your opinion that cops don't place themselves in danger for people like you that make our stomachs turn. Publish a link to the article, and also to the comments you'll likely receive from ordinary citizens like yourself that wholeheartedly disagree. They're the reason I come to work. You're also the reason I come to work...but only because I like ruining the days of people with your beliefs. I'm not going to change your openly hostile viewpoint. I like to take lemons and make lemonade.

But you're right. Cops are overpaid and worthless. I have no qualms with the facts that soldiers are straight up underpaid. So are the cops in NYC who are making 25K and qualify for food stamps.

[notaverage]

Suuuuree!! Cops have a very dangerous job indeed!!! ummm...BS!! Most cops whine about how "they don't know if the guy they are giving a ticket to has a gun, so thats what gives them the right to act like douchebags to everyone." How many ticket stops result in deaths for police? 189 dead in 2007, is that supposed to be impressive? Please show me how many police officers were working in 2007, and I will show you how little of a percentage that 189 deaths amount to.

I would gladly join the police force in ANY county in a heartbeat, if I didn't have a degree. It’s an easy job, and I would get paid a buttload of cash, 60k+ for driving around breaking laws and harrassing people that look like the folks I hated in high-school. Yeah, cops respond to 911 calls, and save ur a** when you need it, but thats their JOB, so don't expect kudos for doing your job as it is meant to be done. But DO expect criticism from me and everyone else when you F*** up! Do you think I get praised everytime I write a procurement spec, or design a ballistic ring for a bearing? NO!! Because thats my job, and I get paid handsomly for it. but I DO get my *** handed to me if I screw up. So what is the problem with cops getting the same treatment?? Or are you guys better than the rest of us, and no one should complain about how cops abuse their power sometimes. Should we all just praise you for having a job and getting paid for it? Here you go: “GOOD JOB GUYS!!” Does that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, is that what you wanted?

To respond to your comment about cops don't kiss my a** because I am a prick to them. that is LAUGHABLE! How do you know how I treat cops?? FYI:: I hardly EVER get pulled over, and when I do, trust me, I respect them, and answer their questions promptly and courteously, I don’t want to give them anymore reason to exploit their power. Even with THIS demeanor, I have had 2 cops be straight up A**HOLES to me cuz of the way I look (minority, young). These cops talk down to you, insult you, and speak in a condescending manner, no matter how polite you are. You don't think I'm gonna judge them, if they judge me like that?? Tell me, why should I be treated like a low class citizen if I am admitting I ran a stop sign, and willing to accept the fine and ticket?? Cops are servants for society, yet they seem to forget that.

All these cops complain about generalization, how one bad cop doesn’t mean all the force is bad. Yeah you are right!! No one should generalize like that, but how do you expect citizens to not stereotype cops, when cops racially profile! Isn’t THAT generalization?? How often does Hussain, Dr. Feelgood(Rob), and me, get “special treatment” for being minorities. I think PLENTY of times. So yeah, I will judge you guys.
Modified by notaverage at 2:01 PM 3/11/2008