The U.S. as a whole, sucks.

[480sx]

Im 6th generation myself. Somewhere in my family(my dad says) is a land grant signed by King George III for Prince William County. Which at the time composed most of Northern Va.

I was born here, raised here, and will die here. Not going to bail on my country just because a collection of fools currently have all the power. Things will change.

[Cold_Zero]

I was being facetious. My wife's family has the land deed to land in Plymouth that is signed by the King of England. Thought that is pretty neat. I use to live in Prince William County (Woodbridge). Pretty cool that you guys have that land grant..bud

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Charlieo, Jesda, you both seem to be making a similar argument. Basically that everyone, everywhere in the 'Hate America crowd' doesnt have the capacity to be a fair judge of a countries actions. Ludicrous

Not everyone.

But most people.

[480sx]

I was being facetious. My wife's family has the land deed to land in Plymouth that is signed by the King of England. Thought that is pretty neat. I use to live in Prince William County (Woodbridge). Pretty cool that you guys have that land grant..bud

Figured you were.

Yea i really want to get my eyes on that thing and scan it, because its damned cool and i would love to get it online. Neat piece of history that should be digitally preserved. Same with yours, i wonder how many of them there are online.. Gotta be a website for them, i would think.

[Jesda]

Charlieo, Jesda, you both seem to be making a similar argument. Basically that everyone, everywhere in the 'Hate America crowd' doesnt have the capacity to be a fair judge of a countries actions. Ludicrous

"Hate America" is a lot different from "This is a decent country but deeply flawed in many ways."

The "Hate America" crowd is effing retarded. Period.

[Stev0n]

A pathetic populous is primarily the problem.

say that 5 times fast.

[480sx]

"Hate America" is a lot different from "This is a decent country but deeply flawed in many ways."

The "Hate America" crowd is effing retarded. Period.

So once again, your basically saying that everyone who hates America is retarded. Period.?

You do realize how.. retarded. that is right?

Lets say average Akbar the Arab has his wife, children, house and everything in his world taken away from him from a misguided American missile that slams into his house instead of an insurgent stronghold while he was out getting falafels and hummus. Is he then retarded for hating America? Or should he stay calm and rational and be like 'Well, i mean they were deeply flawed for sending a multi-million dollar missile with crap intelligence into my house but you know, those guys are alright'.

Saying that everyone, everywhere is simply wrong, or retarded, for hating America is so short sighted and narrow minded its pathetic.

Period.

[Armelius]

I went to a new shopping center development and was amazed by how many stop signs I saw within my view of about a block. I counted 20 stop signs.

That is exactly what I see when I look at our system of government. More red tape and signs that keep you from progressing forward or crap to slow you down if you try to advance.

I used to look in the newspaper and it was full of jobs. The only problem was that all the jobs required the job seeker to have some sort of license to be qualified to work.

One time I ate something that gave me an allergic reaction. I couldn't go to the pharmacy to get the medicine I needed to counteract my ailment. First I had to make an appointment to see a doctor or go to an emergency room and fill out the forms so that I could have a doctor determine if I really needed the medicine. Normally I don't take any form or drugs and avoid any doctors except the dentist if at all possible. But to have to jump through some hoops in order to get a reward just seemed like I wasn't being treated as a free man with self determination.

To those that constantly say love it or leave it I have to ask how much does a gun a bullet cost. If I already have the gun then obviously I need to buy one more bullet.

[480sx]

I refuse to read and try to understand the garbage posted above.

[Armelius]

Sure.

[480sx]

For once, try reading the threads that you post in. Try to comprehend the depths of intellectualism thats being displayed by our back and forths. The good conversation thats being had, in most threads. Take the thread that you started for example. That was going in a good direction. Then read the **** that happens after you post ANYTHING.

If you wanted to enjoy your time here and possibly gain something from the experience, you would just be reading and not posting. Once again, you do not have the capacity to join in any political discussion. Instead you want to be the odd man out, warring everyone with your whack job ideas, theories and dogma.

[Armelius]

I was reading the last posts in this Politics Etc. before I came back here to read your post.

So far my back isn't sweating.

[Beancooker]

I am an american. This country sucks. Our government will screw us six ways from sunday and we will take it like we love it. I'm sorry to be an american

Then GTFO.

If it's that bad, then the value of the dollar shouldn't stop you from leaving. It's people like you that take away from what a great country this is. If you don't like the Government, then get involved in it and do your part to change it. Bitching about it on an internet forum will not solve your problem.

[Armelius]

I think the internet is a great place for complainers. You can post rather anonymously and everyone can read your complaint and respond to it.

In the military if you complained while everyone was in formation then they would all either chide you or secretly say you are full of crap. I never did it that way but I did correct an instructor who even tried to look to our lieutenant for help. The topic was the Geneva Convention.

My opinion is that after these holidays are over it becomes tax season and more people will start to complain and should.

[Beancooker]

The way I see tax, is it is my payment to live in this country. Kind of like a life long lease to reside in the best country in the world. I have no problems paying tax. I would rather make a good income, and pay a lot of tax, than to barely make poverty, and live tax free.

[Armelius]

The way I see tax, is it is my payment to live in this country. Kind of like a life long lease to reside in the best country in the world. I have no problems paying tax. I would rather make a good income, and pay a lot of tax, than to barely make poverty, and live tax free.

There are plenty of people who see it that way. Lucky for our founders they decided to do something about it.

We could look at Social Security and see that it supposed to be an insurance program yet it seems more like a tax and a ponzi scheme. How would you feel if you pay into it and then cannot use it when you come of age to retire?

With this bail out they are going to spend fairly freely to well established corporations and leave people at the bottom alone. I think the system is broke. Ron Paul and others believe the tax system should be abolished. So now we have a bail out and they will want those left out to feel even more obligated to pay for saving the system.

If I figured up what percentage of individual taxes are paid to include sales tax and gasoline tax I would think that it's too high, certainly higher than most other countries percentage. I am even wary of these toll roads. They say it is to pay for the road and then once it's paid off they keep the tolls and say it's for maintaining the road.

To me it's a broke system. They want more ways to tax and will raise the taxes at a moments notice. Our paper based economy further pushes our system tax us out of existence. I for one want to own something and not have to pay every year on it just because I live here.

[480sx]

...gasoline tax I would think that it's too high, certainly higher than most other countries percentage.

FAIL, as usual. We have access to some of the cheapest gas in the world with some of the lowest gas taxes.

[Armelius]

Well when you take in local, state and federal it sure seems high.

Didn't like it when the federales wanted helmet laws and dangled the gas tax for road use in front of the states in order to get the laws changed. Same goes for that .08 dui thing. It bothers me that people pay these federal gas taxes and most of it goes to New York or some bridge to nowhere in Alaska.

Unleaded gas is currently selling for 1.09 on the NYSE. How much do you pay for it?

[szh]

We have access to some of the cheapest gas in the world with some of the lowest gas taxes.

Yes, indeed!

Z

[szh]

Unleaded gas is currently selling for 1.09 on the NYSE. How much do you pay for it?

More than that ... obviously.

But, what I pay is far less than what my relatives the UK or Germany pay for gas.

Z

[Jesda]

So once again, your basically saying that everyone who hates America is retarded. Period.?

You do realize how.. retarded. that is right?

Having a rational critique is FAR different from an emotionally-charged nonsensical "hate". Do you know what connotations and denotations are? If so, you'll understand the difference between dislike and hatred.

Vocab 101.

[480sx]

You can have a rational critique of things and still have rational hatred for whatever may be hated. Common sense 101.

Lets say your lover was killed by a drunk driver. So i suppose that when you fill with hate and anger when you see on the news that another person was killed by a drunk driver, or feel vindicated when you see a DWI suspect go to jail or lose his license. Your feelings towards drunk drivers are somehow irrational?

Im assuming your issue here might be with hate itself? Trying to say that basically anyone who hates is just so retarded that their opinions and feelings are 'nonsensical'? That they are for lack of a better word, wrong to hate and should not be considered.

Vocab 101? Try making posts that express your full feelings towards the mater and explain your point of view. Instead of a few lines of crap like this.

"Hate America" is a lot different from "This is a decent country but deeply flawed in many ways."

The "Hate America" crowd is effing retarded. Period.

Those two sentences where your most advanced word was decent or maybe flawed really stressed my vocab. In addition connotations and denotations arnt studied until you reach an advanced level of english. So saying that its 101 is kinda retarded.

Really it just seems that your last post is saying to me 'read in between the lines and know exactly what i mean even though im to lazy or dont have the time to type it out'.
Modified by 480sx at 5:31 PM 1/11/2009

[Jesda]

You are being obtuse and trying to stretch meanings of words to rationalize your empathy for irrational idiots. Its not working. You are logically cornered and forced to defend emotions instead of ideas, because that's how you foolishly framed your argument.

And a vocabulary class is HIGHLY beneficial, for everyone.

[smockers83]

My question is, how is this thread still alive? It should have been left to drift into the deep end of NICO.

[480sx]

You are being obtuse and trying to stretch meanings of words to rationalize your empathy for irrational idiots. Its not working. You are logically cornered and forced to defend emotions instead of ideas, because that's how you foolishly framed your argument.

Empathy for irrational idiots.. Fail. Your completely ignoring the point of this argument in place of a personal attack on me. Its not even a good attack, its a joke.

That first statement does however go to support my idea that your whole mind set on this situation is very biased and narrow minded.

My argument is quite sound. Im not stretching anything. You said that basically everyone in the 'hate america' crowd(basically, everyone who hates America) is a retard and should not be considered. Thats the argument you put forth and im tearing it apart. Now you can try to redirect and BS all you want, your still dead wrong and nothing is going to change that.

Logically cornered? You gotta be kidding me, because thats hilarious. If you seriously think you have me anywhere close to being cornered you are delusional. Im on the offense bub, your the one reeling with personalish style attacks trying to dig yourself out of a hole while ignoring the finer points of my argument in favor of BS.

Forced to defend emotions instead of ideas? What the fvk are you talking about? Im defending a persons right to have rational hate. To 'Hate' and still be considered. So its more about basic human rights than emotions, although the argument is intertwined with emotion.

Hate is a part of this world. Its not going anywhere for a while. To write off everyone who holds hate in their heart is foolish and will get you no where.
Modified by 480sx at 3:21 PM 1/15/2009

[themadscientist]

I love America, the idea of it from its creation. I have a less enthusiastic opinion of more than half of AmericaNS.

If you hate America you have three options, either will make me happy as long as you decide on one and do it.

1. Do all that is in your power to contribute to correcting what you think is wrong.

2. GTFO

3. STFU.

[ppctx]

I once heard that by about 10 years of age, one is as intelligent as their ever going to be (don’t confuse intelligents with education), the older I get the more this makes sense… 480sx, you are quite perspicacious in the ways of the world.

Although I read that my next statement may get me banned (oh pooh ), just as in religion, I will not be intolerant of another’s views, for they may end up having guessed correctly and everyone else is going to Hell without their forgiveness.

Cut off aid (your tax dollars) to Israel and let the Middle East figure it out on there own… Lord I hope I’m around about 20-30 years after that happens to see what real world peace means.

[themadscientist]

world peace is an impossibility. "perspicacious", great word! I rarely ever have to look a word up but that was one, thank you for expanding my vocabulary. Still trying to pronounce it though.

[Jesda]

Empathy for irrational idiots.. Fail. Your completely ignoring the point of this argument in place of a personal attack on me. Its not even a good attack, its a joke.

"Hate" is an inherently irrational emotion. You defend "hate" as long as its against America.

You need to choose your words wisely and decide if you're defending criticism of America, which we should all engage in, or "hate", which is rooted in emotion rather than reason.

Get your language issues sorted out so we can understand what it is you're muttering about, then come back and play.

[S13_love]

world peace is an impossibility.

Unfortunantely, that's true.