My friend called me on Sat.He's coming down to Miami for NOPI drift.But since he's coming down, he's going to bring me a T3/T04E (thinks its a 60 trim and Single BB) Water and Oil cooled.!!!!
This is exactly what I was looking for.It's a Garret/Turbonetics hybrid of something.Rebuilt and has 1500 miles on it. Plus it fits my Wastegate!!
I would like the 57 trim like we were talking about, but... beggers can't be choosers.
T3/T04E Questions
Re: (Sil240)
Cool!
When you get it, LMK what part #s are on the turbine housing... I ask because mine has the Turbonetics logo stamped on it, plus two "conflicting" part numbers. On the "back" side of the t3 flange, it has 23057 (which means .48 AR housing - according to Turbonetics website). But on the "front" side of the T3 flange it has 23058, which is .63 A/R housing according to their website... LOL. The housing is fairly small so I believe it's a .48 but it would be nice to compare to what you're getting.
BB core is always nice . It's amazing how much more drag the thrust bearing design has than the stock RB BB design.
When you get it, LMK what part #s are on the turbine housing... I ask because mine has the Turbonetics logo stamped on it, plus two "conflicting" part numbers. On the "back" side of the t3 flange, it has 23057 (which means .48 AR housing - according to Turbonetics website). But on the "front" side of the T3 flange it has 23058, which is .63 A/R housing according to their website... LOL. The housing is fairly small so I believe it's a .48 but it would be nice to compare to what you're getting.
BB core is always nice . It's amazing how much more drag the thrust bearing design has than the stock RB BB design.
Re: (Sil240)
Really it has the same #s 23057 and 23058 on either sides of the t3 flange?? It doesn't make any sense to me why Turbonetics would do that from the factory, since the #s specifically indicate the A/R.. Maybe my housing is a knock off, can you send me some more higher res pictures/measurements of that housing? It looks similar.
I won't be able to send you better pics untill like next sunday/monday.The turbo is on the car right now and the car is at my parents house. (I have no driveway sucks)
I'll e-mail you the pics I have when I get home.For some reaon Photobucket shrink the pics down to that size all the time now?????
http://i107.photobucket.com/al...6.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/al...5.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/al...1.jpg
Yeah i was wondering what a Turbonetics housing was doing on a POS chinese turbo.
I wonder if its a fake rear housing??But I doubt it though.
What kind of turbo do you have??You have any pics?
I'll e-mail you the pics I have when I get home.For some reaon Photobucket shrink the pics down to that size all the time now?????
http://i107.photobucket.com/al...6.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/al...5.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/al...1.jpg
Yeah i was wondering what a Turbonetics housing was doing on a POS chinese turbo.
I wonder if its a fake rear housing??But I doubt it though.
What kind of turbo do you have??You have any pics?
*** This is at all 1 bar 14.7 ***I mapped 3,500 and I got 20.57 CMf
So from Idle to 3,400 rpm is to the left of the surge line. What does that mean?I know its supposed to make funny sounds, will it kill the compressor?
From 3,500 to 8,000 I'm within the map (14.7).Since I'm within the map is that the RPM I will have full 14.7 boost at?
After 8,000 I'm outside of the effcientcy map.
I believe my other ecu is chipped to 8,200 rev limiter.
So from Idle to 3,400 rpm is to the left of the surge line. What does that mean?I know its supposed to make funny sounds, will it kill the compressor?
From 3,500 to 8,000 I'm within the map (14.7).Since I'm within the map is that the RPM I will have full 14.7 boost at?
After 8,000 I'm outside of the effcientcy map.
I believe my other ecu is chipped to 8,200 rev limiter.
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Re: (Sil240)
You don't want to be to the left of the surge limit. That's why they call it a limit, because compressor surge kills compressors. And if you are off the end of the map at 8000 rpm, you can probably find a turbo that is better sized for your application.
Re: (Darius)
If you look at this site, Mike tells you how to do all the calculations.I did the same ones (originally from another site though).And got my #'s.
http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/march05/nerds/
Now when he plotted the "Match point" for the SR20DE at 20psi (2.46 Pressure Ratio) and 37.84 CMf (Un-Corrected Mass Flow).That throws him at the 74% effecientcy range.
But now I've also plotted the rest of the RPM range with the same Engine speed's I used here: ****(Corrected Mass Flow)**** (20psi / 2.46 P/R)
2,000 rpm - 09.57 lb/min (Beyond the surge line)3,300 rpm - 15.80 lb/min (Just to the Left of the Surge line)4,500 rom - 21.54 lb/min 72%5,500 rpm - 27.75 lb/min 76%6,500 rpm - 31.11 lb/min 76%7,000 rpm - 33.50 lb/min 75%7,500 rpm - 35.90 lb/min 74%
*** Just noticed that his "Match Point" marked on the map is 38 lb/min, it looks like he used the Un-Corrected Mass Flow ***
He mentions the following:
"If you want to plot more points you can do so by plugging in different RPM values remembering that no turbo is going to produce 20 psi at idle. I would figure for something between 4500 to 7500 RPM for the SR20DE."
Now for me 2,000 is definetly into the Surge area, and 3,300 is just beyond the Surge limit. On a T04E 60 tirm compressor and a T3 Turbine .63 A/R (trim unknown) @ 14.7 psi-1bar.Since I won't instantly get 1 bar off Idle-How much boost would I get at 2,000 rpm & 3,300 rpm (wastegate set to 1 bar)?Now If I can figure out what boost I'll have at these Engine speeds I can see how far I will really be into the Surge area.
Modified by Sil240 at 5:58 PM 4/13/2007
http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/march05/nerds/
Now when he plotted the "Match point" for the SR20DE at 20psi (2.46 Pressure Ratio) and 37.84 CMf (Un-Corrected Mass Flow).That throws him at the 74% effecientcy range.
But now I've also plotted the rest of the RPM range with the same Engine speed's I used here: ****(Corrected Mass Flow)**** (20psi / 2.46 P/R)
2,000 rpm - 09.57 lb/min (Beyond the surge line)3,300 rpm - 15.80 lb/min (Just to the Left of the Surge line)4,500 rom - 21.54 lb/min 72%5,500 rpm - 27.75 lb/min 76%6,500 rpm - 31.11 lb/min 76%7,000 rpm - 33.50 lb/min 75%7,500 rpm - 35.90 lb/min 74%
*** Just noticed that his "Match Point" marked on the map is 38 lb/min, it looks like he used the Un-Corrected Mass Flow ***
He mentions the following:
"If you want to plot more points you can do so by plugging in different RPM values remembering that no turbo is going to produce 20 psi at idle. I would figure for something between 4500 to 7500 RPM for the SR20DE."
Now for me 2,000 is definetly into the Surge area, and 3,300 is just beyond the Surge limit. On a T04E 60 tirm compressor and a T3 Turbine .63 A/R (trim unknown) @ 14.7 psi-1bar.Since I won't instantly get 1 bar off Idle-How much boost would I get at 2,000 rpm & 3,300 rpm (wastegate set to 1 bar)?Now If I can figure out what boost I'll have at these Engine speeds I can see how far I will really be into the Surge area.
Modified by Sil240 at 5:58 PM 4/13/2007
OK So I picked up the Turbo.
It's a:Hotside- Turbonetics 20359T3 .82 A/r (Trim unknown)
Coldside- GarrettT04E .60 A/r (Trim unknown)Was told it was a .60 trimDefinetly bigger than my other T3/T04E either .48 or .50 trim.
CHRA- Believe its a GarrettWater and OilCould be Single Ball Bearing
No shaft play in or out. A little shaft play side to side.Spins freely stays spinning for a while, one reason why I belive it is a BB.
But with this huge .82 A/R Turbine that's going to make more lag correct.(the .82 and the .48 or .63 look almost the same, haven't measure either yet though.)
But I'm going to strap it on and see how she'll work with my motor.
The turbo was on this car here:http://driftbrigade.com/Click on "Outlaws""Chelsea Mazda Mx-6"
Don't think those specs are for this turbo though, it might be the specs on his current turbo.
It's a:Hotside- Turbonetics 20359T3 .82 A/r (Trim unknown)
Coldside- GarrettT04E .60 A/r (Trim unknown)Was told it was a .60 trimDefinetly bigger than my other T3/T04E either .48 or .50 trim.
CHRA- Believe its a GarrettWater and OilCould be Single Ball Bearing
No shaft play in or out. A little shaft play side to side.Spins freely stays spinning for a while, one reason why I belive it is a BB.
But with this huge .82 A/R Turbine that's going to make more lag correct.(the .82 and the .48 or .63 look almost the same, haven't measure either yet though.)
But I'm going to strap it on and see how she'll work with my motor.
The turbo was on this car here:http://driftbrigade.com/Click on "Outlaws""Chelsea Mazda Mx-6"
Don't think those specs are for this turbo though, it might be the specs on his current turbo.
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Re: (Sil240)
I think you mean MX-5... MX-6 is FWD. I saw that and was like 'WTF?'Sil240 wrote:The turbo was on this car here:http://driftbrigade.com/Click on "Outlaws""Chelsea Mazda Mx-6"
Either way, I think your turbo sounds pretty slick. I can't wait to hear your results!
Re: (Sil240)
Oil feed: 1/8" NPTOil drain: standard RB20/25 2 bolt flange with 2" spacing IIRC. Function 7 makes two drain flanges, one with 1/2" NPT female port and the other with a AN-10 male fitting, search ebay for T3 drain flange.
Coolant feed: 3/8" NPTCoolant Drain: 3/8" NPT
I'll send you a file with the Earls PN#s and diagram I'm going to use when I do my AN lines if you like? It'll save you a few minutes at ANplumbing.com
Modified by mello88 at 6:32 PM 4/20/2007
Coolant feed: 3/8" NPTCoolant Drain: 3/8" NPT
I'll send you a file with the Earls PN#s and diagram I'm going to use when I do my AN lines if you like? It'll save you a few minutes at ANplumbing.com
Modified by mello88 at 6:32 PM 4/20/2007
Oh ok awesome!!!You are the man once again!!!
I already have the oil lines then, and I just need the Coolant lines.Nice.
I know the Coolant Return is 14mm x 1.25.So what I'm going to do for now.Is try to see if I can get these fittings with barbed nipples on it.Because I wanna fire it up this weekend.
I already have the oil lines then, and I just need the Coolant lines.Nice.
I know the Coolant Return is 14mm x 1.25.So what I'm going to do for now.Is try to see if I can get these fittings with barbed nipples on it.Because I wanna fire it up this weekend.
Re: (Sil240)
I think the coolant feed and drain ports are 3/8" npt. I'll check in a bit
Are you going to usa a m14x1.5 to 1/2NPT coupler for the cooland feed on the block? Or are you re-using the banjo fittings and hardlines?
Modified by mello88 at 6:33 PM 4/20/2007
Are you going to usa a m14x1.5 to 1/2NPT coupler for the cooland feed on the block? Or are you re-using the banjo fittings and hardlines?
Modified by mello88 at 6:33 PM 4/20/2007
Really... HmmmmCause I screwed them in with no problem.I made sure because someone told me that they fit. And I was skeptical so I made sure to be very careful.
But either way they work pretty well.The better way would be I guess to use the stock banjo bolt and order the banjo fitting to nipple or whatever you want.
Either way they are a pretty easy install.
But either way they work pretty well.The better way would be I guess to use the stock banjo bolt and order the banjo fitting to nipple or whatever you want.
Either way they are a pretty easy install.
OK, so I got my ITM welded. No more boost leak from there.Changed out my fouled plugs.Fired up the car, played with the BOV and she was running good.
But after taking a couple rides in my buddy's rb20 with a 25 turbo, I'm kinda jealous of his car.
My car's not insured so I couldn't take her out on the street, but I did take her around my neighborhood.
I'm a bit disappointed, although I don't have a tach hooked up and I have yet to set the timing exactly.
When I step on the gas you have to wait about 5-6 secs for the car to spool up then take off.
I'm gonna hook up my electronics (BC, TT and Tach) and set my timing correctly.Then see how the car feels.
But... I'm thinking when I change my manifold/fix my broken stud. I'm gonna change my turbine housing.
What size housing should I get?And the housing has to be machined for the wheel I'm using correct? Or do I order a housing that fits my wheel?
But after taking a couple rides in my buddy's rb20 with a 25 turbo, I'm kinda jealous of his car.
My car's not insured so I couldn't take her out on the street, but I did take her around my neighborhood.
I'm a bit disappointed, although I don't have a tach hooked up and I have yet to set the timing exactly.
When I step on the gas you have to wait about 5-6 secs for the car to spool up then take off.
I'm gonna hook up my electronics (BC, TT and Tach) and set my timing correctly.Then see how the car feels.
But... I'm thinking when I change my manifold/fix my broken stud. I'm gonna change my turbine housing.
What size housing should I get?And the housing has to be machined for the wheel I'm using correct? Or do I order a housing that fits my wheel?
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Re: (Sil240)
itll probably be easier to order a housing thatll fit your wheel.
check out atp turbo. they have a huge selection of garrett turbine and compressor sides
check out atp turbo. they have a huge selection of garrett turbine and compressor sides
Re: (240daveTX)
OK problem!!!!
I've plotted the compressor map for my turbo....T3/T04E
Compressor: TO4E compressor 60 trim .60 A/RTurbine: T3 Stage II .82 A/R
Plotted for both 15 psi (WG minimum) and 22 PSI (shooting for about 400hp)
Problem is that at 15psi 3K, & 4K are out of the efficiency islands, but on the SURGE side.
And at 22psi 3k, 4k & 5k are to the left of the surge line.
I do understand that I'm not going to have 22 psi at 3K or even 4K.But by 5K I would hope to have full boost. Take a look of the Compressor map that I plotted.Maybe I did it wrong.I used this excel sheet I found on Bimmer Forums.I couldn't find the Sheet that MELLO had, so if anyone has it please forward it to me!!
I've plotted the compressor map for my turbo....T3/T04E
Compressor: TO4E compressor 60 trim .60 A/RTurbine: T3 Stage II .82 A/R
Plotted for both 15 psi (WG minimum) and 22 PSI (shooting for about 400hp)
Problem is that at 15psi 3K, & 4K are out of the efficiency islands, but on the SURGE side.
And at 22psi 3k, 4k & 5k are to the left of the surge line.
I do understand that I'm not going to have 22 psi at 3K or even 4K.But by 5K I would hope to have full boost. Take a look of the Compressor map that I plotted.Maybe I did it wrong.I used this excel sheet I found on Bimmer Forums.I couldn't find the Sheet that MELLO had, so if anyone has it please forward it to me!!
Re: T3/T04E Questions
Finally got off my lazy @ss and dl'd the WinPep.
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Re: T3/T04E Questions
It's been a while but did u have a intake manifold? how much boost were u running? The way your turbo is ramping up is a little like my SC61. Did you try to tune the timing maps if it is the Same T3/T4?
Re: T3/T04E Questions
Yeah I have a Top Hat motorsports upper plenum. I dunno if it flows but it works for my IC piping.
15 psi
Yeah how much bigger is a SC61 vs mine?
The tune was a mixture of Carl's tune and a SAFC tune.
But I never had a chance to have Carl retune it after the dyno.
I'm actually going to change my Exhaust mani and the Turbine Housing to a .63.
This turbo is way too laggy for me. I prefer response.
But she's a beast on the highway!!
Where are you dyno's? Link me?
15 psi
Yeah how much bigger is a SC61 vs mine?
The tune was a mixture of Carl's tune and a SAFC tune.
But I never had a chance to have Carl retune it after the dyno.
I'm actually going to change my Exhaust mani and the Turbine Housing to a .63.
This turbo is way too laggy for me. I prefer response.
But she's a beast on the highway!!
Where are you dyno's? Link me?
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Re: T3/T04E Questions
The exhaust wheel in the SC61 is a Stage 4 I think, in a .63 housing. The size of the exhaust exit out of the housing is 3".
I didn't print out my last dyno session but I didn't have my boost controller hooked up then and rom issues at the time.
I didn't print out my last dyno session but I didn't have my boost controller hooked up then and rom issues at the time.
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Re: T3/T04E Questions
My SC61 is laggy the boost response is a little better but it's no quick response just a highway killer.
Re: T3/T04E Questions
Yeah looking at the dyno the SC61 must be much bigger than the T3/to4E.
At 4600 your at 100whp -----me: 170whp
At 5400 your at 200whp -----me: 240whp
But from 5600 to redline your car is a Beast!!!
What's your setup?
I'm only looking for 375-400whp but hopefully this .63 turbine housing will help me in the response dept.
I'm running .068 over, 3 angle valve job, everything else is stock.
Tophat ITM
Ebay Stock type Exhaust mani
t3/to4e 60 trim
640cc injectors
N60 - Maxima maf (at the moment), some dbag sold it as a N62
small IC 24x9x3
Chipped ECU
At 4600 your at 100whp -----me: 170whp
At 5400 your at 200whp -----me: 240whp
But from 5600 to redline your car is a Beast!!!
What's your setup?
I'm only looking for 375-400whp but hopefully this .63 turbine housing will help me in the response dept.
I'm running .068 over, 3 angle valve job, everything else is stock.
Tophat ITM
Ebay Stock type Exhaust mani
t3/to4e 60 trim
640cc injectors
N60 - Maxima maf (at the moment), some dbag sold it as a N62
small IC 24x9x3
Chipped ECU
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Re: T3/T04E Questions
SC61Sil240 wrote:Yeah looking at the dyno the SC61 must be much bigger than the T3/to4E.
At 4600 your at 100whp -----me: 170whp
At 5400 your at 200whp -----me: 240whp
But from 5600 to redline your car is a Beast!!!
What's your setup?
I'm only looking for 375-400whp but hopefully this .63 turbine housing will help me in the response dept.
I'm running .068 over, 3 angle valve job, everything else is stock.
Tophat ITM
Ebay Stock type Exhaust mani
t3/to4e 60 trim
640cc injectors
N60 - Maxima maf (at the moment), some dbag sold it as a N62
small IC 24x9x3
Chipped ECU
Protech-Fabrication exhaust manifold
Tail 40mm gate
Tomei head gasket, Tomei 270cams, Tomei valve springs
ARP head studs
Rips intakemanifold
Sard 800cc injectors
Nistune rom board
Ford lightning Maf set to blow through not draw through
3" downpipe to Apexi GT spec Exhaust
EVC 4 boost controller
I haven't touched the head other than the valve springs and head studs. I still need to degree the cams and get cam gears but I'm not too worried at this point. I have my Dyno vids on Youtube if u search BlueRB240 u will see them all.