STS Turbos Claims Patent Infringement, Hilarity Ensues.

Post by **frapjap** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:14 am

In my inbox today:

Ray, I was informed that you are building a remote mount turbo system for your vehicle and wanted to contact you. FYI - STS owns the patent on building and installing remote mounted turbo systems. We do offer individual and bulk licensing agreements so that people can legally fabricate remote mount turbos so please contact us. Operating under our license is the best way to ensure that you are not infringing on our patents and also ensures that you will get the proper parts and engineering/technical support to do the job properly and end up with a system that works well.

Best Regards,

Rick Squires

Squires Turbo Systems, Inc165 N. 1330 W. Suite A-4Orem, Utah 84057Phone: 866-WE TURBOFax: (801) 607-6846http://www.STSTurbo.com

Funny huh? I was just kicking the idea around, but never got around to it because a guy I chatted with who built one was having issues with his setup that I was going to replicate.

Oddest thing is, it has been a good number of months since I last spoke about doing the project. Bunch of bums can't read time stamps on forums.

I want to reply with something cunning and witty. Whatcha'll got?

Post by **Bwana** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:23 am

They just earned an irrevocable F from me...

Post by **Mr1der** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:24 am

tell them no court in America will deny you the right to change the channel with 1.5bar.

Post by **srpowered240sx** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:27 am

frapjap wrote:
I want to reply with something cunning and witty. Whatcha'll got?

how about.......I do what I want.

they cannot put a patent on the placement of a part. unless you are using sts parts and reselling it, they dont have a case.

Post by **dickie** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:32 am

LOLFAG!

Post by **frapjap** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:34 am

Seriously though, I want these guys to think. I actually have plans/gone through with the build, piss them off, and waste their time like they are mine.

Keep it comin'!

Post by **yelnatsch517** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:36 am

Ask to see the patent and then post it on here so we can find loopholes and render it completely useless.

Post by **HashiriyaS14** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:37 am

Hang on....

By remote mounted turbo, you mean a rear-mounted turbo?

They hold the PATENT to the entire idea of doing it?

Don't people do that all the time? I know I've heard a lot of Corvette owners talk about it.

Post by **frapjap** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:40 am

yelnatsch517 wrote:Ask to see the patent and then post it on here so we can find loopholes and render it completely useless.

Will do! I hope I actually get it!

Post by **frapjap** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:46 am

Here is what I sent as a reply to Mr. Hardass Rick:

Good Afternoon Rick,

Thanks for the FYI. I am concerned. May I see the patent written out word for word, and possibly high light where "STS owns the patent on building and installing remote mounted turbo systems," for me. You could also scan it onto an email attachment for further clarity. I've seen quite the number of Corvette owners who seem to be doing pretty well with their own DIY mimics of your product.

Also, as far as I'm aware, I'm fairly certain that you can't patent a location. This comes logically to me considering that many other companies such as Greedy don't have a claim against anyone who builds or pieces together their own system that mimics their product.

Looking forward to hearing from you soon!

Ray

Post by **srpowered240sx** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:55 am

frapjap wrote: location. This comes logically to me considering that many other companies such as Greedy don't have a claim against anyone who builds or pieces together their own system that mimics their product.

Ray

way to be professional, you spelled greddy wrong. jk.

Post by **daconkiftador** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:06 pm

^ LOL.

Post by **phleb** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:14 pm

I guess they should sue AMS while they're at it too huh? I mean their evo has its turbo down by the front bumper, that seems pretty remote to me.

Post by **NIGHTfall_240sx** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:15 pm

keep us updated, im curious what they will respond with.

and for the record, as you seem well aware of, as long as you make everything yourself, and dont use their parts... you can do whatever the hell you want.. you can even market the system as your own, as long as you do not directly copy their parts.

its the same thing as "greddy style" blow off valves, and other "____ style" like parts.

Post by **OldmanPurdy** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:37 pm

I call BS, the guys probally in sales and just heard you were doing a remote mount and decided to try and scare you into buying their stuff. I can't see how they could get a patent for a specific way of mounting a turbo, i also don't believe they are the first to do this. BTW i saw these guys on horsepower TV a while back doing a TT setup on a corvette, it would be intresting to see if any other companies make remote mount kits for the vette, that would pretty much shoot down their "patent" on the spot.

Post by **Jesda** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:44 pm

I clicked on this expecting to see:http://youtube.com/watch?v=_ytocPEdmsk

Post by **Jiggyfry** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:54 pm

Jesda wrote:I clicked on this expecting to see:http://youtube.com/watch?v=_ytocPEdmsk

Website · Post by **Maverick7687** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:12 pm

jiggy180 wrote:

Post by **R6_240sx** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:28 pm

Post by **Spectre** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:42 pm

You should simply ask how you are infringing on a patent when you are building the system for yourself and not for the purpose of selling. I won't be surprised if they don't provide you with the patent.

Jeers at STS for threatening you.

Post by **frapjap** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:04 pm

Here is my new email from them:

I’d be glad to send you some information. The patent information is located on our website - http://www.ststurbo.com/patent - and it does cover the location as it is ‘turbo system and method of installation’. There have been some violators out there and we have shut a lot of them down and are continuing to enforce our patent and IP. Most people don’t understand the extent of coverage and protection that a patent provides. Our patents are very extensive and cover just about everything concerned with remote mounting a turbocharger. Greddy doesn’t have the patent on a front mount turbo system as that is the conventional way of doing it and you can’t patent something that everyone is already doing. So you are free to build your own front mount turbo system and nobody would care. STS pioneered this technology years ago and consequently was awarded patents for it. We are pretty easy to work with and have programs set up to help people do exactly what you are trying to figure out.

Best Regards,Rick Squires

Squires Turbo Systems, Inc

165 N. 1330 W. Suite A-4

Orem, Utah 84057

Phone: 866-WE TURBO

Fax: (801) 607-6846

http://www.STSTurbo.com

Post by **Jesda** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:05 pm

Spectre wrote:Jeers at STS for threatening you.

Seconded.

Post by **frapjap** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:06 pm

http://www.ststurbo.com/patent

Doesn't seem to thorough to me... :

:

Witty replies anyone?

Post by **C-Kwik** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:10 pm

Wow...I'm utterly disgusted at STS. I doubt it's an original idea to any real extent and even then, there is nothing distinct about his product that rally warrants a patent. This is one more reason we need patent reform. I read through the 1st patent on the page and skimmed the second. as they are both long reads and frankly, both look very similar. The second patent is probably a variation of the first with additions to maybe remove some weaknesses in the original patent language. And it's doubtful he'll actually post up the patents in their full text as they really boast nothing that staes to me that this guy is a genius inventor. From a business standpoint, I can understand his reason for getting a patent but the protection he really needs is from other businesses who try and use his business idea. Not from private individuals who aren't profiting from something like this. But I guess, if he has enough time to spend worrying about this, then he must not have enough work coming in.

I guess it's a good thing I never cared for remote mounted turbos.

Post by **NSR_s30** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:12 pm

I still think remote mounted turbos is a silly idea.

Post by **f1seb** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:36 pm

Here you go have fun finding loopholes.

1st one: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi...5,568

2nd one:http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi...4,282

Post by **ddgsxr504** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:46 pm

So I read the patent and basically it states that if I want to mount a turbo outside of the engine bay I am in violation of STS's patents?? F*CK THAT SH*T!! Sorry Ricky but you can suck my left nut!! This is America, I can mount my turbo where ever the f*ck I want!!

Post by **AZhitman** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:16 pm

HAHAHHAHAHAHAA!!!

This might make front-page news.

Rick, I hope you're reading this... You're about to make your company look very, very silly.

You can mount a turbocharger on your car anywhere you want, and there's not a DAMN thing STS can do about it.

Someone link this on the F-Body forums, this is a hoot.

http://www.google.com/search?r...earch

Post by **OpeLok** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:41 pm

eff that ish.. I'll mount a turbo in the trunk of my 4 door S14 if I feel like it bub!

Post by **USsil80** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:51 pm

saying that because it is out of the norm that you can patent and say "pay me now" is kinda funky... i suggest contacting the patent office-my buddy works there i will give him a holla- and See if this is a BS patent

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