STS Turbos Claims Patent Infringement, Hilarity Ensues.

[Beancooker]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAA!!!

This might make front-page news.

Someone link this on the F-Body forums, this is a hoot.

Done!

[Dieselman]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAA!!!

This might make front-page news.

Someone link this on the F-Body forums, this is a hoot.

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Done!

Damn Noah.....way to fail at teh html's.........LOL

The gheyness of that patent know no bounds

[skylndrftr]

A turbocharger system for a combustion engine and method of installing a turbocharger system includes a turbocharger having an oil inlet configured for being coupled to a pressure side of an oiling system and an oil outlet. An oil pump is connected to the oil outlet of the turbocharger and is further connected to the oiling system. The turbocharger system also includes mounting hardware for mounting the turbocharger to an exhaust pipe away from the engine at or below the oil level of the oiling system. In one embodiment, the method of installing the turbocharger system includes removing an existing muffler from the vehicle and mounting the turbocharger in the location of the existing muffler.

First of all its THE not A pressure side theres only oneSecond the part about the pump? Lotsa people do that already on front mount turbos (pretty common on foci) thats not patentable and should pretty much invalidate this.Third, as long as you don't mount the turbo in the exact locatio nthe original muffler was in your fine...read the last line.

STS SUCKS BAWLS...we should so spread this one around.

[AZhitman]

Chano is right - This definitely means patent reform is needed.

None of you clowns better build a blinged-out, high-hp droptop, I'd hate to sue you for coppin' my style.

BTW, I think Knight is doing some remote turbo stuff too, IIRC.

[Joe]

BOOO TO STS

we have looked at doing a couple systems for customers from them but will now EMPHATICALLY suggest someone else

way to bully the little guy you ****ing greedy pricks.

this is going on LS1 tech if its not already there. what a crock of bull****

[AZhitman]

Link it up, Big Dawg!

[Ozzie]

Just tell them you mounted YOUR turbo 3mm left of where the muffler used to be.

Not violating your precious patent now are we rico swarve!!!

PS. I'm in Australia, and I am going to go into business remote mounting turbos.... everyone can copy my idea for free, I give you full permission. So come and get me STS nut jobs!!!

IT'S MY IDEA NOW BISHES!!!

[Ozzie]

Also, to Rick, does that mean you will try to stop anyone doing their own custom work, to their own car, that resembles your crappy setup?

I'll do anything I want to my own car, and if you don't like it, I have a nice hairy nutsack you can suck on. BTW: Anyone who wants to do a remote mount turbo setup, make sure you tell everyone it's an ozzie! "style" remote mount system, not that lame STS jive....

[Joe]

Link it up, Big Dawg!

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/...80779

i hate it when corporations play gorilla chest pounding bull**** with the little guy.

STS is on my **** list.

[C-Kwik]

http://www.bitlaw.com/patent/requirements.html

The sections about the novelty and nonobviousness tends to get to me. Depending on how it's worded in the actual law, the remote aspect of the design would appear to be pretty obvious. I would say the big reasoning behind not seeing such a product sooner is two-fold. Turbocharging didn't become commonly used in the aftermarket until the early 90's. And from a performance aspect, it offered too much compromise. If anything could be patented perhaps his spin on the "benefits" of the remote mounted turbo.

All said and done though, if he were to actually file a suit against an individual, the potential award amount would likely be less than the legal costs to even file such a suit, let alone litigate. If I truly desired to build a remote mount system for my own use, I'd simply call his bluff in this little p0ker game he's playing.

Considering if I were to consider this licensing cost he wants to collect, the better option then clearly becomes going to a traditional mounted turbo system. Especially since it will perform better anyways.

[audtatious]

This reminds me of a company that makes a SC mounting adapter for the VQ30. They don't sell the SC kit anymore but any time they hear of anyone building a mounting adapter they have a hissy and threaten legal action.

[skylndrftr]

I'm loving the replies over at LS1..."oh I don't see what the problem is" "hes just covering his *** and then somebody with 240sx pops in and gos down our line of thinking

I should patent increasing the total displacement of an engine with the goal of creating more power

[The Count]

Lol @ thread.

I'M GONNA PATENT THE PROCESS EATING, you're effed world, all your money are belong to me.

[frapjap]

Sent a new reply-

Hi again Rick,

So, should I have built said system and decided I wanted to mount the assorted pieces (oil pump, lines, turbo, intake, etc) in places that are unconventional or not directly associated with STS method, (not to mention that I don't plan on selling my method for my own personal gain), how is it that I am infringing a patent? Who says I didn't decide to keep my muffler and put the turbo directly after my catalytic converter? What if my intercooler happens to be on the top of my engine or under the chassis itself. There isn't any consistency with that fabled setup versus STS. Its similar to copy writing a recipe. I can change the amount of heat used, or add an ingredient, after which, it is my own.

FYI, on your patent it reads "to a pressure side of an oiling system and an oil outlet." Last I checked, there was only THE pressure side. You might want to get that changed for legality's sake. Also, you may be in infringement of other patent or copy rights where individual owners (or manufactures for that matter), decide to use an oil pump for lubricate their turbo. If you are getting that scrupulous, go inform the Focus guys, they love using pumps to ensure their investment doesn't over heat.

Finally, it is lovely that you guys managed to pick out the smaller person, who may or may not have designed a system for themselves, and in a few words or less give an inkling to legal action. Regardless of your more friendly invitation to help with engineering. Furthermore, it is aggravating to think that I could possibly pose even the slightest nuisance (or competition) to your corporation. I have no monetary gain planned, no intention to sell or distribute, and enough sense to know the afore mentioned points.

Thanks for your time, and do consider changing that wording on the patent.

Ray

I'll be in VA this weekend, probably with little access to a computer. There will be little new news unless you guys link this around; So feel free do do with all of this you guys like- I'm NOT going to patent it.

[Alfador]

^ you hit the nail on the head right there... As long as you are not selling or distributing it you aren't violating their patent. Telling people how doesn't because patents are publicly available, and hell, if I machine togethe a bodykit in my own workshop that is identical in every way to a patented bodykit, I can still legally install it on my car. The only potential for a violation would be fraud if for some reason I kept telling people it was that brand, but thats a long shot on its own.

[574-240sx]

looks like that thread is gone on LS1tech now.

[AZhitman]

I'm tempted to get with rotorimp (a.k.a. The Master Fabricator) and put something together for 240sx owners...

BTW, that thread was deleted on LS1 - STS is a sponsor there...

[dickie]

cant hide the truth for long... wonder if they will implode like hennessy did on that viper forum.

[frapjap]

I haven't heard anything new. I guess they don't want to waste their time barking up a tree that I never climbed.

I'll do my best to post again if I receive anything over the weekend.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

what is it about sticking it to the man that is so god damn fun?

[surfwax95]

Tell them to BLOW it up their @ss.

LOL *cough*

[Florida240sx]

Tell them to BLOW it up their @ss.

LOL *cough*

Don't do it in a remote way....

My vert might be in trouble in a couple months then Think I'll mail some pictures to them...

[skylndrftr]

out of curiosity had you ever heard of them before this?

if you had...did you talk to them? then I could sorta understand the logic behind sending the first email (although I still disagree with the content).

if you hadn't ever heard of them...way to go in losing your butts a lot of potential customers by being douchebags.

Their whole attitude is a lot like Hennesy's was before he imploded. Always sad to see another member of the brotherhood trying to scam us

[WDRacing]

I wonder how much it would be to replace all the windows in front of their shop once a month?

[paulie240sxr]

well who developed the turbo itself maybe everyone whos designed one should get sued its stupid and they know they dont have a leg to stand on . the patent does not give specific location of turbo so as long as its not where they put it its not illegal to do it there are only so many things you have to change on somethings that patented so you can sell it the patent is to loose talk to a lawyer and bring print outs of there patent consultations are free ..... as for STSi will never recommend you to anyone or company i know

P.S.guys heres the loop hole embodiment, the method of installing the turbocharger system includes removing an existing muffler from the vehicle and mounting the turbocharger at or near the location of the existing muffler.

dont remove the muffler and they dont have a leg to stand on
Modified by paulie240sxr at 9:18 PM 3/22/2007

[C-Kwik]

With an S14, if you were so inclined, you can try fitting a turbo in the fake cat location. Not sure if there is enough room, but since it's not a muffler, there is nothing they can get you for.

bah, whatever, this thread is giving them more exposure than they will ever deserve.

[Katapl]

BTW, that thread was deleted on LS1 - STS is a sponsor there...

Was I the only one who broke out laughing upon reading that?

[AZhitman]

Haha, I was laughing while I typed it.

It'd be funny if it weren't so absurd and pathetic.

[Veriest1]

Was I the only one who broke out laughing upon reading that?

Nope.

And now this thread is the number one reason to do a remote mount turbo. I never really liked the idea before.

[corey240]

so the point is to take the turbo and move it under the car, as in further down the exhaust system? is there a gain in doing this over a normal mount position? the only thing iv heard of befor on the hole thing is dentsport puting the turbo on there s13 infront of the motor a bit.

and i laughed hard when he said they deleted that thread.