SRT - 4 (Last Night)

[Focusedintntions]

I traded my 2004 Euro edition SVT focus in for my G....And while the G is comfortable on the highway and fun to drive with its power. My SVTF would walk away from it in the twisties. The SRT4's were never designed as a handling car and the G could walk away from it. However, there are many a smaller lighter cars that will leave the average drive in a G in the turns (civic SI, SVT F or any focus with modded suspension, GTI).

The track days I did at Summit Point raceway would always surprise the heck outta some off the big boys and their bmw's, svt mustangs, and camaro's b/c i would pass them through the twisties and was able to keep up on the short straights with a draft.

Those cars are much lighter than ours (fofo was only 2700lbs) and have much better response and less weight to transfer.

[Minmey15]

But our G is a total accord of comfort, performance, and fun! It sure ain't an untimate handling machine like Jacko claims,(350Z isn't one, either) but we still love it! And if our G is slower, then we gotta drive better to beat other cars! I am for Skyline all the way!
Modified by Minmey15 at 8:43 PM 4/23/2008

[TeflonG35]

My friend has a 88 formula fiero. Not much can touch that on cornering.

[ACoupe]

Quote »"My friend has a 88 formula fiero. Not much can touch that on cornering."[/quote]From what I can remember, the Dodge Shelby Charger from the mid-late 80's, though a POS, had incredible handling.My father had one and man, that thing could CORNER!It also had the biggest POS transmission on earth...

[Minmey15]

From what I can remember, the Dodge Shelby Charger from the mid-late 80's, though a POS, had incredible handling.My father had one and man, that thing could CORNER!It also had the biggest POS transmission on earth...

I was driving my company car, 08 Prius, and there was G35 coupe in front of me driving like a maniac, going zig zag. We were going onto a freeway, and on ramp, I was right behind him, he was about to lose control, but he couldn't shake me until straight line. Does that mean Prius corners better than G35 coupe? Or one time, I was driving downhill in my wife's Honda Pilot, and this AE86 Corolla coupe(looked like he was imitating Initial D) started to tailgate me. I took off, and two minutes later, he was about two corners behind me. Does that mean Pilot corners better? In Jacko's theory, yes, it does. In my theory, no it does not.

And Fiero.. I wanted one so badly back in high schol. It still looks good, but reliability is another issue.

BTW, VW R32 handles really good. I am always impressed when I race that thing.

[Jacko3]

Minmey15:

You got my theory all wrong. I would never have made such a claim as you stated. Zig zagging is dangerous for any car and it is not the true test of cornering.

When i talk about cornering, I am talking about sustained speeds at tight turns on windy and twisty roads. Unfortunately, I cannot even begin to explain to you, the level and degree of turns and twist that exist on a lonely 2 - 4 mile road near where I live. Each twist requires braking clutchiing and handling without stop. Any mistake in handling can cause the car to understeer and loose control.

My little Nissan does quite well in the twisties on this road becasue it is light. However, beyond a certain speed input, it becomes uncontrollable, and thus, one has to wait for the car to reduce in speed before any other maneuvers are made. It is in this instance that the G-35 outshines many cars---stability under really dangerous and unpredictable conditions.

[Sentientbydesign]

Sorry Jacko,

Not trying to gang up on you, but the G35 doesn't handle that great. I was pushing it around an on-ramp night before last and ended up 30 degrees to the path because the rear end swung around.

I knew it was going to happen, but I wanted to push the car to see how it would do it. Thank God, VDC caught me and straightened me, otherwise I would have been crunched into the concrete wall.

I'm going to assume that the RAS on your G35 helps this situation some, but other than that, I can think of countless vehicles that corner better than our coupes.

The only time the G35 has surprised me by comparison to my I30 was while going around an on-ramp close to my house. I always had to take the on-ramp slowly with my I30, because it started as a continuous radius turn and then sharply decreased radius around a blind corner. The G pushes through it quite nicely.

[Jacko3]

Sentientbydesign:

Excellent description of what I have been trying to describe. I agree completely.

Yes, I also lost it once when I was on-ramp at an exit, about to make a left. I didn't have the VDC ON, and the car actually spun 45 degrees before I was able to get the car back on track. I was amazed at the ability of the car to get back on track and remain stable as if nothing had happened. Although, I would partly attribute this to the Bridgestone Potenza Re 00050A. I have observed a marked difference under the same conditions with the Toyo Proxes T1R. I would say that the type of tires on the car has a role to play in this type of scenario.

You are right. I think my Rear Active Steer (RAS) maybe playing a role in the handling of my car. I always forget that I have RAS on the car. RAS seems to remind me of trainaing wheels. Thanks for reminding me about the RAS.

And yes, as you rightly put it, on a continuos radius turn, the G-35 is exceptional. With the right type of tires, it is unbeatable.


Modified by Jacko3 at 4:19 PM 4/25/2008

[Minmey15]

Minmey15:

You got my theory all wrong. I would never have made such a claim as you stated. Zig zagging is dangerous for any car and it is not the true test of cornering.

When i talk about cornering, I am talking about sustained speeds at tight turns on windy and twisty roads. Unfortunately, I cannot even begin to explain to you, the level and degree of turns and twist that exist on a lonely 2 - 4 mile road near where I live. Each twist requires braking clutchiing and handling without stop. Any mistake in handling can cause the car to understeer and loose control.

My little Nissan does quite well in the twisties on this road becasue it is light. However, beyond a certain speed input, it becomes uncontrollable, and thus, one has to wait for the car to reduce in speed before any other maneuvers are made. It is in this instance that the G-35 outshines many cars---stability under really dangerous and unpredictable conditions.

No, Jacko. You got my reply all wrong. The guy was going zig zag when I saw him. When I started to get behind him, we were going onto freeway, on ramp. 15 MHP 360 corner, going 50MPH+. I was driving a company Prius.

Is this your firsr car?

[Jacko3]

Minmey15:

Sentientbydesign fully understands the situation I described.

[Rivalry]

Jacko is god.

[Minmey15]

Minmey15:

Sentientbydesign fully understands the situation I described.

And you are not understanding what I am saying at all. You always say that 350Z and G35 cope are the ultimate handling machine, however, I disagree.

Sentientbydesign even said that it is not the best handling car. So what are you exactly saying? And you never answered my question. Is this your first car? Have you driven other cars? If you have driven a Civic with good suspension downhill, you would never say that your V35 coupe would outhandle it.

And please understand that I love my V36. I think it is the best car! But that doesn't mean that it is the best handling or the fastest car. It just happens to be the car I like the most.

[Sentientbydesign]

And you are not understanding what I am saying at all. You always say that 350Z and G35 cope are the ultimate handling machine, however, I disagree.

Sentientbydesign even said that it is not the best handling car. So what are you exactly saying? And you never answered my question. Is this your first car? Have you driven other cars? If you have driven a Civic with good suspension downhill, you would never say that your V35 coupe would outhandle it.

And please understand that I love my V36. I think it is the best car! But that doesn't mean that it is the best handling or the fastest car. It just happens to be the car I like the most.

Yeah, I think Jacko misunderstood my post too. The weight of the G35 coupe makes it unmaneuverable (sp) at times. The car would need a significant weight loss and stiffer suspension to be a "superior handling" vehicle IMO.

My wife complains about the "lines" I take in order to keep the G35 feeling safe around corners (I have to appease her when she's a passenger). She always says, "My Celica can take this...I can take it much faster..."

[Minmey15]

Yeah, I think Jacko misunderstood my post too. The weight of the G35 coupe makes it unmaneuverable (sp) at times. The car would need a significant weight loss and stiffer suspension to be a "superior handling" vehicle IMO.

My wife complains about the "lines" I take in order to keep the G35 feeling safe around corners (I have to appease her when she's a passenger). She always says, "My Celica can take this...I can take it much faster..."

It does better going up though. But downhill, brake tends to fade. When you consider its weight, I think it does an excellent job! But it is not made for twisty.

Celica can be nimble, and quite fast downhill. But it is FWD. FWD does not allow us to drift through corners. I sometimes go to my secret place, and go 70 MPH, and pull e-brake! No other feeling like it!

BTW, my idea of ultimate handling machine is... FC, FD, GT-R, Evo, STI, Integra and Civic Type and etc. I had Evo 9 and traded in with V36 sedan, never looked back!

[Sentientbydesign]

It does better going up though. But downhill, brake tends to fade. When you consider its weight, I think it does an excellent job! But it is not made for twisty.

Celica can be nimble, and quite fast downhill. But it is FWD. FWD does not allow us to drift through corners. I sometimes go to my secret place, and go 70 MPH, and pull e-brake! No other feeling like it!

BTW, my idea of ultimate handling machine is... FC, FD, GT-R, Evo, STI, Integra and Civic Type and etc. I had Evo 9 and traded in with V36 sedan, never looked back!

I'm seriously thinking about Dealership hopping soon. There are quite a few cars I'd like to drive just to get a feel for and compare to the G35.

Most of them aren't real contenders, but I worry once I test drive an STI or an EVO lol.

[ACoupe]

Quote »"If you have driven a Civic with good suspension downhill"[/quote]The way I see it, just by driving a Civic things are going downhill anyways...Good cars they may be, but I loath Hondas.

[brizanden]

^ a ex tht was slightly modified was keeping times at an autox i went to like 2 sec behind the sti's and evos

[MaximA32]

Two seconds? That's a large margin in auto-X. My 4200lb family car keeps a closer margin than that.

[Mettler]

the srt-4 is faster than a g by far. it is the sickest speed for your buck car out IMO. seriously you can get one for 13k on ebay with miles.

Wait, that's US$13,000 ? You'd pay that much for a pile of tin and plastic that resembles a prolapsed rectum more than a car, and sounds like an excerpt from a beastiality vid played backwards while accelerating?

You have exceptionally poor taste... in fact I'd probably go so far as to say you literally have no taste in cars, and do not qualify to post your invalid ramblings about anything.

This whole thread is just

[Minmey15]

Two seconds? That's a large margin in auto-X. My 4200lb family car keeps a closer margin than that.

Are you telling me you can drive 4200lbs car almost as fast as Evo or STI? Maybe you are talking about VERY SHORT none. And you need to remember the length of the course has alot to do with the subject you brought up.

I would be very surprised to see someone race 4200lbs car against Civic type R downhill and keep up with it.

Don't get me wrong. I would never buy Civic or Integra, however, those cars do corner very well.

[TeflonG35]

Why is this post still going @_@

Neons are poop. Let it go.

[brizanden]

Two seconds? That's a large margin in auto-X. My 4200lb family car keeps a closer margin than that.

well the fc's and and 240s were ruining about 9 sec slower so thts pretty impressive to me

[MaximA32]

Are you telling me you can drive 4200lbs car almost as fast as Evo or STI? Maybe you are talking about VERY SHORT none. And you need to remember the length of the course has alot to do with the subject you brought up.

I would be very surprised to see someone race 4200lbs car against Civic type R downhill and keep up with it.

Don't get me wrong. I would never buy Civic or Integra, however, those cars do corner very well.

So you're telling me that my 4200lbs car will go slower down a hill than a car that weighs 1000lbs less than that? I think someone was asleep in science class.

[Minmey15]

So you're telling me that my 4200lbs car will go slower down a hill than a car that weighs 1000lbs less than that? I think someone was asleep in science class.

When I say downhill, I mean twisty downhill. And I might've been asleep in my science class, but I wouldn't say your 4200lbs car is faster than Civic.

Please keep in mind that we have been talking about how car handles. Maybe you wer asleep when you were reading this thread?

[MaximA32]

I wasn't responding to the thread. I was responding to you.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that my car IS faster in the twisties than a Civic. I'd also bet that my car can out accelerate a Civic.

On another note, by the time the Civic gets to the top of the next hill, my car would be in another state. All about torque.

[Minmey15]

I wasn't responding to the thread. I was responding to you.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that my car IS faster in the twisties than a Civic. I'd also bet that my car can out accelerate a Civic.

On another note, by the time the Civic gets to the top of the next hill, my car would be in another state. All about torque.

And I have been talking about corneting. And I don't know what kind of car you have, so I could not make a judgement. I just think 4200lbs is way too heavy to be competing with a light sports. But if you say it's faster, I am sure it is. Gravity tends to make a heavy car straight, but maybe your car is more nimble.

[Cold_Zero]

Remember, this is a straightline movement, which the G-35 Coupe was bound to loose. The story would have been different on curves and tight turns.

And the story would have been different if I was racing YOU off road in my Pathfinder. I love it when people have to go to another aspect of a race that never occurred to compensate. I have out cornered my friend's 240SX in my wife's 2.5 Altima at 90mph on sweeper interstate ramps. Just because said SRT-4 isnt oriented for cornering doesnt factor in the most important aspect of the race. The driver.

[Minmey15]

And the story would have been different if I was racing YOU off road in my Pathfinder. I love it when people have to go to another aspect of a race that never occurred to compensate. I have out cornered my friend's 240SX in my wife's 2.5 Altima at 90mph on sweeper interstate ramps. Just because said SRT-4 isnt oriented for cornering doesnt factor in the most important aspect of the race. The driver.

Well said!!!!

[Sentientbydesign]

So you're telling me that my 4200lbs car will go slower down a hill than a car that weighs 1000lbs less than that? I think someone was asleep in science class.

Are you referring to your 4th gen? If so, that thing does NOT weigh 4200lbs. Try 3200. Probably around 3500 with you and any accessories.

And regardless if anybody wants to argue, a rear beam suspension on othat car makes cornering amazing. Independent suspension is great, but it introduces more variables like two different slip points (one for each tire).

Wait, that's US$13,000 ? You'd pay that much for a pile of tin and plastic that resembles a prolapsed rectum more than a car, and sounds like an excerpt from a beastiality vid played backwards while accelerating?

You have exceptionally poor taste... in fact I'd probably go so far as to say you literally have no taste in cars, and do not qualify to post your invalid ramblings about anything.

This whole thread is just

What are you doing here? lol

Regardless of looks, quality, or sound, the Neon SRT-4 can whoop most of our asses on a drag strip. With a little suspension modding, it could probably do the same through the twisties.

I hate American cars, and I hate neons, but respect for something that is >you in quite a few aspects is on point here.

[Jacko3]

Minmey15:

Just as starting a business is all about, location, location, location, cars are all about driver, driver, driver.

Onr thing consistent with all turbo I have come across on the streets is that they have a turbo lag, which allows the G-35 to take off very rapidly. On the top end, they tend to catch up. However, if the first curve on a corner is less than a quarter mile from start, none of the cars you mention will outpace a G-35 if the driver of the G-35 is good, because for each braking that occurs, their turbo will have some lag in order to get up to speed, especially if there are tons of twisties on that track. No Honda till date has come close to making my G look bad anywhere, anytime. Only two cars have come close---A mustang ( I beleive this was a cobra and the driver was veru good), and a Mazda 6 Speed (lightning fast).