SR20DET Difference: RED and BLACKtop

[TrueSlide]

K Car, you need to post that on their website, get all their panties in a twist.

[SpeedRacer1]

So are you saying there was an s12?:thinker :help : :help :help :thinker

Heres your 'non'-existant S12:http://www.geocities.co.jp/MotorCity/91 ... po....html

As for the 180SX not recieving redtops, they did recieve redtops from January 1991 through January of 1993.

The only real differences in the two engines are non performance related, Nissan didnt mess with a good thing.

[S13240]

[quote=" Lost_To_A_K-Car Put the bong down.

Your '90 Celica All Trac runs a 15.7 from the factory. That's only slightly faster than a bone stock 240.

With the SR installed, a 240 will walk all over a Celica. [/quote]

The reason the SR installed in a 240 will walk all over a Celica is because the 240 with the SR isn't stock. Eventually when someone installs an SR into a 240 they will have to upgrade fuel pump, fmic, bov, spark plugs, boost controller, exhaust, and downpipe, and suspension upgrades.

I've raced my friend's 90 fastback with red top sr20det already and all he has is a fmic with hks ssq bov and I beat him by a car and a half with the stock 90 Celica All Trac. Not bad at all for a car that runs 15.7 from the factory.:icesangel

BTW, he's a great driver...he's driven rwd all his life and been racing for about 6 yrs.:thinker

[TrueSlide]

:bsflag

You sir, salute that flag!

[SpeedRacer1]

The reason the SR installed in a 240 will walk all over a Celica is because the 240 with the SR isn't stock. Eventually when someone installs an SR into a 240 they will have to upgrade fuel pump, fmic, bov, spark plugs, boost controller, exhaust, and downpipe, and suspension upgrades.

I've raced my friend's 90 fastback with red top sr20det already and all he has is a fmic with hks ssq bov and I beat him by a car and a half with the stock 90 Celica All Trac. Not bad at all for a car that runs 15.7 from the factory.:icesangel

BTW, he's a great driver...he's driven rwd all his life and been racing for about 6 yrs.:thinker

Because we all know the cooler sounding BOV's drop your times like crazy and add 40 hp!

[sr20meplease]

a BOV drops your time by what.....2-3 seonds? lol

[S13240]

I'm sorry to dissappoint you guys, but anything is possible.

Anything is possible and 240sx with the sr20 isn't all that almighty against other turbocharged cars stock for stock.

You guys seem to have too much confidence in the 240sx with the sr20...I certainly am open to others opinions and anytime when a turbocharged car goes against another turbocharged car...it could be anybody's match.

I also own an s13 240 w/ sr20det and would like to run my celica turbo all trac as well, but since I already sold it I won't have the chance...maybe I'll just run my friend's fastback and see what the outcome is. Comparing power/weight ratio though the 240sx seems to have the advantage totally, but like I mentioned in my previous post...nothing beats the awd launch and then you'll still have to catch up to the 3sgte powered Celica and pass it which is very hard to do when the t25 is so small compared to the heavy 3300+ lb Celica with the CT26.

Here's a little spec on the Celica Turbo All Trac for you haters that can't believe anything is possible...http://www.alltrac.net/specs/comparison.htm

BTW...my friend with the 90 fastback with sr20det lost to a 96 mustang couple weeks ago too, my friend said the mustang must have been squeezing, but I totally doubt it because the mustang pulled on him in third gear slowly til the mustang was about 2 cars ahead and they both slowed down. Like I said...anything is possible when racing.

[skatanic28]

i thought that japanese s13s and s14's ran under 15 sec 1/4's stock?id give ya the lead right off the line if you wanna do a clutch and driveline raping launch....but i would think the nissan would walk from there

[S13240]

i thought that japanese s13s and s14's ran under 15 sec 1/4's stock?id give ya the lead right off the line if you wanna do a clutch and driveline raping launch....but i would think the nissan would walk from there

Supposedly S13s and S14s run mid 14s to low 14s possibly even into high 13s, but everybody knows everybody isn't perfect to be hitting the same time as what professionals would be in Japan or whatever.

Just couple weeks ago in Pomona, my boys that went saw 2 s13s with basic bolt ons on sr20det's doing 15s to high 14s at the track.

[Cyberkreig]

The shop doing my SR swap has done a dozen redtop S13 swaps, including into hondas..

They should be shot for such stupidity, that really pisses me off, WTF, alright honda owners already like to steal silvia conversion kits and now putting the engine in the car. WTF???!?! ITS NOT A ****ING NISSAN, SO WHY THE HELL PUT A NISSAN ENGINE IN IT!!THem ****ING IDIOTS, THEY DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR COCKS CUT OFF AND SENT TO THEIR MOTHERS. Thats just fugging retarted, HONDAS need to stay with HONDA Motors. You know, SH*T for SH*T.

but they cant get my blacktop S13 from Heavy Throttle to start. There is a fu*kin difference for you.

The difference is acutally that they are probley such idiots they are thinking your car is a probe, or who knows, a rare-hybrid honda. Them MORONS, I hope they business fails, but it probley won't cause all gay f*ck honda owners wanting to feel like they have a real car, so they buy a SR. I sware that makes my blood boil. I hate that sh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wow. Didnt expect that response. For the record, MY car is an S13.

[SpeedRacer1]

Alright quit it with the all trac celica crap, yes i know its turbo charged, yes i know its fairly fast, yes its got a nice launch but who really cares? Only you from what I can tell, im open to that car too but I dont need to hear some ex-owner trying to hype it up into lanevo status. In the end all these cars are just trying to be like 6 and 8 cylander cars anyway, some of us are just too poor to get what we want.

[S13240]

I wasn't trying to hype it up to lanevo status..I was just proving to the guys that didn't believe a stock all trac can beat 240s with the sr20s installed. I know that you win some you lose some and that was my whole point of it.

Just saying that the 240 with the sr20 isn't gonna always outcome as the winner.

[I H8 UR DSM]

Just couple weeks ago in Pomona, my boys that went saw 2 s13s with basic bolt ons on sr20det's doing 15s to high 14s at the track.

good for your 'boys'...im running 12.70's-12.80's on my sr w/ only bolt on's, stock computer, stock motor and stock turbo with an Open diff....

its about driving man, anyone can run slow : P

i thought i saw the stock times for each listed? and wasnt the Silvia/180sx faster out of the factory? then why is this arguing still going on? the celica will have the lead at the 60ft, the sr will have the advantage at the top end.....just like the rwd vs the awd dsm's....

[Silviagirl79]

What type of "bolt-on" mods do you have on to run a 12.7?

[Daunttless]

Well, hes about to blow up his turbo, but thats besides the point. : ) I wouldn't suggest doing what Jesse does if you want your stuff to last. ; )

[I H8 UR DSM]

What type of "bolt-on" mods do you have on to run a 12.7?

shhhhhh.....

[Silviagirl79]

HAHA..so I guess you'll be buying another turbo soon.

I know a 240 in Orlando who is turbo charged and runs 12.7, I wonder if Jay is about to blow up his turbo soon too..lol

[I H8 UR DSM]

eh, dont listen to that guy dauntt...he doesnt have a SR, yet alone a T25, yet alone blown up a T25....Illl say that i have yet to hear any stories from personal experience of blowing up a T25....its purely speculation in my mind....of course running it past the efficiency point will take away from turbo life, but whos to say what life expectancy it will have, there is no way to say or tell that.....PLUS being someone who is around the dsm community very much, its never looked down upon by them to run 16-18 or even 20psi out of the stock turbo's...of course they have been around longer, and people have more experience with them, so i respect their views...i also respect the veiws of people who have 'been there done that'...other than that its all specualation...

im not one to say that its not gonna kill the life of the turbo, but if the max efficiency is 14psi, and someone runs lets say 16psi outta the turbo on occasion, how can you figure out the lifespan? i dont think there is any equation for that...

being that i have less than 1000 miles on my motor/turbo since i have had it, i dont think i have too much detremental abuse on the turbo....i have only made 8-9 1/4 miles passes, and some regualr driving....

jesse

[Daunttless]

Well, you are not the standard Jesse. =P I know that running a T25 at 18psi as a daily driver or what not, which is what 90% of the peole here will be using the car for will significantly shorten the life of the turbo, its true you don't know when it will go, and some will last longer than others, but it will not have the life that the majority of you want. Just want to be clear, its good that Jesse pointed out how much he uses it, most of you won't use it as sparingly as him, and it will blow up. =P

[I H8 UR DSM]

yep, and mine will blow up eventually, and i'll let you all know : D

its all about getting to that point, and pushing it a little further...otherwise, how do you knwo how far it CAN go?? : )

call us louis and clark ; )

ps, there prob is no real point in running at over 14psi, and that has been pointed out many times by many people....the peashooter isnt a powerful turbo, no reason trying to squeeze everylast psi outta it, unless your CRAAAAAZY like us, hehe

[AznRide]

can your car still run with a blown turbo?

[I H8 UR DSM]

it would blow smoke, and you would know your turbo was blown...but you can still drive it, yea......i remember when tommy makkinen blew his turbo in the rally, and continued on with the rest of the stage, blowing a 10ft high, and 15ft long cloud of smoke the whole way, lol

[RedStage]

Celica GT4 Vs. S13 SR20DET.....

I'd have to side with the Celica if it was the ST205 model....Considering I got my *** handed to me by one in my CA18DET. Knowing how my 180SX feels at "Near stock" and how my Silvia (CA18DET with SR turbine) felt....

All I can say is try launching an SR at 7,000 rps and see how much time you waste with wheel spin while the Celica has dumped at 7,000, grabbed and gone.....

4WD cars are not to be trifled with....WRX and Evolutions launch better than anything I have seen out there. The Celica comes in next and then I'd put the GTR in the mix due to it's weight.....

Then again what do I know...only been with these cars in Japan since 1993...well before most of you even knew what an SR20DET was........

[I H8 UR DSM]

All I can say is try launching an SR at 7,000 rps and see how much time you waste with wheel spin while the Celica has dumped at 7,000, grabbed and gone.....

i really hope thats not ALL you can say.....thats pretty rediculous..

you DO NOT launch a RWD car the same way you launch a AWD, thats just basic....yes you would have an advantage if that was the case, but thats just retarted....

i dont even know what to say, lol, that statement is just got my mind going in circles....why would you even say that? DO NOT LAUNCH YOUR SR AT 7000rpm....you want to launch at the rpm thats going to get you the best traction, thats obviously different for rwd vs fwd vs awd, so its NOT a fair comparison...

cumon now....

[Silviagirl79]

And what rpm for a ka 5spd would give u the most traction....vs an sr?

[I H8 UR DSM]

trial and error, trial and error : ) different for each specific car, weight, weight distribution, tires, tire size, rim, weather, temperature, humidity, track temperature, clutch setup, driving, etc etc etc etc, but its no where near 7000rpm for either, LOL

[Repo Man]

Then again what do I know...only been with these cars in Japan since 1993...well before most of you even knew what an SR20DET was........

:bowdown :bowdown :fruit

[AznRide]

hahhahahahahhahahahahahahahhaha:help :bash

[RedStage]

Man...you need to chill....ever heard of sarcasm.

Point is HAVE YOU EVER RACED A CELICA GT4?I have....will admit I got beat. Not going to be an internet Hero and say that I won.

They launch like a mother.....try catching up to it....in a 1/4 mile....don't think so.

And no....I don't launch at 7,000 rpms....I'm not as stupid as you seem to think evertone else on here is. Against a Celica GT4, WRX or Evolution...there is just no way to get them out of the hole better than them...if there are experienced drives in both cars.

Quite taking things so damn literal.

And what is this bull about there being no S12's....?Certainly hope that you aren't that stupid....

[I H8 UR DSM]

who said there werent any s12's?

1. yes, im aware that awd does get you out of the whole quicker, again, basic...but saying an Sr cant catch them at the top and isnt true...i have many friends with awd dsm's, over 10...therefor my screen name, lol...too easy to make fast and get traction....BUT the SR does have more throttle response, and pickup in 4th and 5th gear...i have raced many of them with similar ET's as me, and im about .2-.5 seconds slower at the 60ft mark, and running the same ET, therefor pulling on the top end....I have driven high 12 sec dsm's, and they pull, but do not have the same power the SR has at the top....and i have let eloy drive my car, and he has quoted the same thing, that the SR is faster in 4th and 5th....

so you raced a gt4, who cares? if you lost, he is faster than you, lol...

i have raced many awd gsx's, talons, two galant VR4's etc, and they do pull on the bottom end, as im struggling for traction, but its evident after the top of third that im pulling on them...if you want to even it up, and let me run my rwd with slicks against their awd w/ street tires, i can manage the same 60ft that they are...1.7-1.9's...with street tires, i get 2.2-2.4's, lol....