Something Funny

Post by **Bluefire** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

Well I think the reason people swap in the sr, ca, or rb is not really for the stock hp. Its more for the potential to make more power easier. I didn't get the RB because it had 250 hp, I chose it because of its potential to gain lots more power with reliability. Anyways... I know someone is gonna get crazy in here with the whole sr has better weight ratio rant and turn this thread into a flame war. So i'll just say, lets keep it civil guys

-Bluefire

Post by **Nameless EJ6** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

And that's basically why I chose not to go with an SR. The only fast SR powered 240s that I have seen have buillt engines and upgraded turbos and suspension/wheel/tire setups and an LSD.

I'd have to say, if SR's were the only available swap for the 240, I'd have kept my ITR powered Civic (which ran 14.5@100 with no traction the first time out). I think that would've been a civil choice. =P And I say this because of all the hostility some 240sx owners seem to have towards the Honda crowd when they pride their SR's. Not pissed at all though. I'm happy! Now that never have to worry about an SR or a B18. Just a lolly ol' RB26.

Post by **PROJECTRB240SX** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

MY DECISION WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE SR IS ALUMINUM, THE RB20 PUTS OUT MORE BASE HP NOMATTER WHAT EVERYONE SAYS OR THINKS, ITS I6, AND AT THAT TIME RBS WERE NOT TO COMMON.

Post by **PROJECTRB240SX** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

HEY CAM CAN YOU GET TOMEI STUFF? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH A CAM SET THROUGH YOU WOULD BE?

DID YOU GET MY PM?

Post by **sultan** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

i've never driven a RWD SR20DET, but i have driven a FWD one. bone stock avenir motor with a big fmic and greddy type-s bov. with the stock BB T25 it put out 205fwhp and ran a 13.2 (crappy tires and high temps) in the 1/4. it pulls hard in every gear, has no lag at all and has severe torque steer and traction problems, even with an LSD. at half throttle the tires break loose at 6000rpm in 1st and 2nd, at lower rpm it changes lanes due to the torque steer at half throttle. in a 240 i probably wouldn't swap a bone stock SR, especially since i've never heard of a RWD SR doing what i mentioned above (except the torque steer, damn FWD)

Post by **gabossie** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

I have to say, I was quite dissapointed with the engine when I drove it. It felt only slightly faster than my KA and all I have done to the KA is an exhaust really. It will be interesting to see how close the two cars are when my buddy and I go pick the car up this weekend.

I was quite impressed though with how easy the swap was. This was Cameron's first SR swap, and my first swap period and it was a breeze. The only problem we ran into was that we got frustrated and gave up for a little while because it wouldn't turn over. After getting a little grub and getting our heads about us, we returned to find that the chassis ground cable had broken so the damn thing wasn't grounded. I never expected it to be THIS easy, I don't understand why ANYONE would ever pay to have an SR swap done. I mean, I know some people say they can't have the downtime, but you get a couple buddies to help you and you could do it in a night, especially if the SR is already out of the clip.

Post by **gabossie** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

Oh yeah, and I have now seen first hand all the parts and clips in Cams storage unit and home garage. Quite a beautiful thing until you have to move like 6 K frames to make room to do the swap.

Post by **1bad180sx** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

So, this is your first swap, your first SR20DET, and you're convinced that they suck? Thats funny. Your 15.6 is the slowest time I've ever heard from anyone running even a bone stock SR in a 240sx. I have heard of some 15.0-15.2 times, however.

When I drive a stock SR I find it quite laughable myself... but with a few bolt ons you can make 250rwhp no problem. It's not 165rwhp stock, its ~185. But hey, you've swapped one, so you must know now!

And who's to say that the motor you got isn't a total POS? I've seen some ratty SR20DET's coming out of junkyards around here in Okinawa, Japan. They ship a lot of crap over there. The difference between a motor thats been beaten senseless and one in nice shape is a lot.

To the guy talking about the only fast SR's being built... heh heh. Yeah, mine is 100% stock internals making over 400rwhp. It even has a stock headgasket. Last dyno was 395rwhp, 362ft/lbs of torque. I assure you, this one is fast.

Oh, and the reason why RB20DET's are so cheap is that nobody wants them over here.

I've sure never seen a fast RB20DET that didn't have $10,000 in it.

Post by **Nzo** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

Are you all ****ing high?

Post by **kevy8up** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

that is funny cause i remember readin in like scc or import tuner. they had a stock sr20det and said it made like 165 hp. I was like DO WHAT!! definitely made me think twice about getting one. But that made me think if i bought a newer 240sx(ka) and put a good exhaust on it....i could be real close to that. So ya...sr20 definitely needs mods. NOTHING AGAINST U SR guys....its just not my flava....yo....lol

Post by **gabossie** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

Haha, calm down big guy. Sounds like you're friends with 1bad180sx or something, did he call you up and ask you to join just to post once to defend him?? Doesn't matter, you are both over reacting. No one said that the SR doesn't have potential, it's obvious by it's reputation that it DOES have ALOT of potential, we were both just ammused that after the swap, it didn't seem to pull much harder than the KA with a bolt ons. The fact is, the SR is not a beast right out of the box, it just has the potential to be. Oh, and by the way, this was the CLEANEST engine I have EVER seen in a clip. The thing was beautiful and in great shape. So, calm down and remember, you're in an RB forum

Post by **WongFeiHung** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

Oh, the engine looked "clean" so that means its in great condition?

Post by **kevy8up** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

lol pissin off the sr guys.......man chill people. First of all....1bad180sx..love yer car.....and yes...it is bad ***...400 hp and the vids are fricken awesome too. I would love to be doin that stuff here in the st. louis area. keep up the fun and the vids....im goin back to yer site and checkin up on ya.

Post by **1bad180sx** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

Yeah, I didn't think it was so much of a stretch to say I was making "over 400hp" when my last dyno was 395. I dynoed that early in 2003, and the car just got faster all year. I never dyno'ed since.... so I don't make up fictitious numbers, I just say its making a little over 400rwhp.

173 compression test? Hell yes, thats a good motor. Mine blew 120's... heh heh. What was this thing boosting? A bad actuator or a loose vacuum line could mean 20hp.

Oh, and I didn't invite anyone over. I followed a link from another forum saying 'check this out'. I suppose JSquared did as well. I absolutely hate this forum because its full of so much BS. It blows my mind some of the stuff I have read in the 240sx forum here.

Post by **gabossie** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

Hey 1bad180, would you mind posting a link to some pics and vids of your car? I think we can all appreciate a well tuned car, regardless of what engine is under the hood.

Oh, and no, just because the engine LOOKED clean doesn't mean it was in good shape, but between that and the compression numbers, I think we get a pretty good idea of what kind of shape it's in.

We don't know exactly what the SR was boosting when we test drove it because we didn't have a boost gauge hooked up yet.

Post by **1bad180sx** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

Quote »Actually, from all of the dynos I have seen on other forums of bone stock SR's, the S13 engines are running about 165 to the wheels....max run I saw was a 172hp and the lowest around 161...[/quote]I don't know what 'other forums' you go to. But I happen to spend a lot of time in other 240sx forums. I've seen a lot of higher numbers, like 200hp with just a front mount and exhaust... Even bone stock, 185hp is the norm. Quote »Making over 400 rwhp yet you have 395? How is this so? that type of HP will run around a 11.8-12.4 depending on the driver, that's a quick car, fast is 10's.[/quote]Actually, there are some 240sx's that have run low 11's and high 10's with this amount of power.

Quote »Same goes for the SR20DET....never seen one built fast that didn't have atleast 10k into it. Seen em with 17k in it and they are just barely breaking the 12 mark. [/quote]

I was talking about the internals of the motor. Mine is completely stock. Now you've seen one that IS fast for cheap. (sorry if your definition of fast is half a second quicker than mine.) We have several SR's that are making over 500rwhp now with cams, mild headwork, and stock bottom ends. Thats $1000 of internals, not $10,000... so I don't know where you're going with this. Unless you're one of those guys who thinks a motor isn't stock anymore after it has bolt-ons.

You RB guys love to bash the SR... Yet my SR with a stock turbo was enough to crush several RB20's that were wastegated. Stock turbo RB's are absolutely hilarious. Make a lot of noise and go nowhere.:ylsuper

Post by **1bad180sx** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

Anyway, lots of pics and videos can be found at http://www.zeroyon.com

Post by **TrunkMonkey** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

NightXCZ77 wrote:I asked a bunch of the 240 guys at the track if that was normal...they said that for a BONE stock (nothing aftermarket) SR, that was actually quite decent.

define bone stock.

do you mean bone stock just the engine itself, or do you mean bone stock with side mount ic, stock exhaust, stock boost, etc etc...

-demetrius

Post by **themadscientist** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

1bad180sx wrote:Oh, and the reason why RB20DET's are so cheap is that nobody wants them over here. I've sure never seen a fast RB20DET that didn't have $10,000 in it.

Oh I seem to remember a certain loud automatic RB20DET that gave you a couple of good runs, granted back before you put all those goodies on:D

Having seen 1Bad walk a GT-R like a dog more than a few times I can tell you that while i don't like SRs they can be deadly weapons.

Post by **kevy8up** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

hey 1bad180..i was just curious to what u have done to your car. It looks like a upgraded turbo, FMIC, ..umm...maybe fuel management...so like FPR, pump, rail and injectors, safc? what about exhaust ....turbo downpipe? what kind of exhaust. 3 inch all the way back? I just want to get an idea of what u did to get 400hp. no cams? anyway.. reply if u want to

later

Post by **themadscientist** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

You get that rolling shell sold yet hugh?

Post by **gabossie** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

Nice setup 1bad180. Did you setup the standalone yourself, or did you have a shop do it? I've been looking into them and I'm sure I'll need someone with significantly more experience to help me if I was to install one myself.

Post by **Altiman94** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

it shoul dbe faster than 15.6. Put a new clutch in it and check for boost leaks definitely. Somethign is not up to par on that vehicle

Post by **93RPS13** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

http://www.zeroyon.com/pics/03....html 1bad what with the powerade bottle on the 5th pic down??

Post by **Yellow4g63** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

1Bad180sx The RB20's you smoked? where they in S13's or just the R32's and R31's?

Post by **Jsquared** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

Thanks for deleting my post :rolleyes It might have been harsh but it was relevant and correct. Can't take the heat? Get out of the kitchen. There is a reason that I hardly take any 240SX forum seriously outside of Basic and Advanced on FA. So much incorrectness it makes me want to puke. Instead of being babies about this, how about confront the facts and realize that misinformation needs to be countered before it spreads and injures the community.

Quote »Haha, calm down big guy. Sounds like you're friends with 1bad180sx or something, did he call you up and ask you to join just to post once to defend him?? [/quote]actually I've never met him before in my life. I saw this thread linked from another forum, and the idiocy it contained prompted me to comment. I just happened to recognize 1bad180SX from that forum and found it rather humorous that you were picking on one of the higher-powered stock-bottom SRs around, yet can't get a respectable run out of a stock SR to save your life. 13.7 vs. 15.6... do you think my 35wHP advantage will make up two seconds and eight MPH in the 1/4-mile? With almost assuredly a slower 60-foot?

Quote »We don't know exactly what the SR was boosting when we test drove it because we didn't have a boost gauge hooked up yet.[/quote]wow. just, freakin... wow. that speaks volumes by itself... You imported an engine, swapped it into another chassis, and took it to the strip, all the while without taking the time to install a $55 boost gauge to help make sure the engine was running properly?

Post by **lessthanjakejohn** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

FYI, Driving Mom's Car is default for people with less than 6 posts

Post by **chrispy** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

1bads, car is nothing to mess around with. and the gatorade bottle is a oil catch can i beleive.

Post by **93RPS13** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

o really?, can some write a write-up on that, i am total serious, cant bet a really cheap mod

Post by **Jsquared** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:15 am

Quote »FYI, Driving Mom's Car is default for people with less than 6 posts[/quote]oops. edited to fix. wasn't like that "back in the day" with the plain-jane gray forum...

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