Something Funny

[The Riot Hero]

LOL! you got people from 2 forums atleast getting their panties ina bunch because some guy doesnt know how to install an SR correctly. chill out ladies, not everyone is mechanically inclined.

FYI, i put down 192 rwhp with stock sidemount and 3 inch exhaust at 6.5 psi boost on my redtop.

[Nathan]

o really?, can some write a write-up on that, i am total serious, cant bet a really cheap mod

Simple: take off the hose from the crankcase vents in the valve cover, attach new longer hose to them/it (I don't remember if there is 1 or 2 on RB's) if there are 2, then T them together and run the hose to the side of the engine bay where you have your gatorade bottle duct taped to the side, if you want to get super cool cut a hole in the lid just large enough to put the hose through, or just take the lid off and stick it in. Rocket science, the gatorade bottle catch can is not.

1bad & Jsquared, while there is certainly some idiocy here on NICO I dont see it being much more of an issue than it is on FA (I lurk a lot there, good KAT knowledge to be found) you should give NICO a bit more of a chance, especially in the more technically oriented forums like engineering talk or technical etc.

[Jsquared]

Quote »The only mis-information I am seeing here is your 13.7 post from a stock SR. The only way to hit numbers like that are with some nice slicks on the back and a damn good LSD. It also depends on your elevation, air temperature, etc... [/quote]LOL. Want me to mail you copies of the timeslips? Whatever Fayetteville, NC's elevation is, about 50-60 degrees or so. I told you what I had: Walbro fuel pump, S-AFC (tuned on dyno for correct AFR), 11.5psi, Volvo intercooler, 3" press-bent exhaust with catalytic converter, and wrinkle-bent intercooler piping made from exhaust elbows from Advance Auto Parts. Stock engine, stock turbo, stock injectors, stock MAFS. welded-shut differential (sloppy worn out bushings and no subframe spacers so I was getting some wheelhop on hard launches and my 60-foot times still weren't that good), 195/60R15 RoadHugger H-rated radials from Pep Boys or Sears or wherever they came from, on steelies (was waiting for Continentals for the 15x7s my car came with to arrive in the mail). Consistent high 13s with a few 13.7 runs, consistent 100-mph trap speeds with a best of 101mph twice. That was my second time ever on a dragstrip. First time I ran 14.1s with open diff and junkyard drifting tires.

Quote »Now, you can talk bad driver all you want, but I really don't give a damn.[/quote]I'm not saying it's the driver, I'm saying it's the car and the engine and its installation. How do you know you were even boosing correctly without a boost gauge? What were the 60-foot times? I mean really...

Quote »1bad & Jsquared, while there is certainly some idiocy here on NICO I dont see it being much more of an issue than it is on FA (I lurk a lot there, good KAT knowledge to be found) you should give NICO a bit more of a chance, especially in the more technically oriented forums like engineering talk or technical etc.[/quote]Actually NICO was the first Nissan-oriented forum I ever signed up for, in late 2001 or early 2002. Found Zilvia summer of '02 and FreshAlloy fall of '02. The only one of the forums I found when I was originally looking at getting a 240SX (instead of FC tII or MR2t) that I still am active on is FreshAlloy (I swing by Zilvia and visit every now and again ) There is a reason I bailed on this site after a year or so, and it's the same reason I couldn't stand Club240 for more than a week There are no doubt people on here who know what they're talking about, but there are enough that have no clue that I can't post here regularly because I'm getting pissed off and getting into arguments every five minutes. And actually FA is very intolerant of misinformation or general "n00bishness" (not searching, not paying attention, making random assumptions, etc), at least in 240SX Advanced and somewhat in Basic. I go where I can get the best and most accurate information. How many over-500wHP SRs are here on stock bottoms? 400whP? Nerds go where the information is, and well, I'm a nerd

[AZhitman]

Thanks for deleting my post :rolleyes It might have been harsh but it was relevant and correct. Can't take the heat? Get out of the kitchen. There is a reason that I hardly take any 240SX forum seriously outside of Basic and Advanced on FA. So much incorrectness it makes me want to puke. Instead of being babies about this, how about confront the facts and realize that misinformation needs to be countered before it spreads and injures the community.

I deleted your post. My kitchen, my rules.

I have no problem with someone bringing another level of expertise to this forum, and I agree 100% that misinformation needs to be squelched with all due immediacy.

But let me bring you in on a little secret: I have observed just as much gross misinformation on your home site as you say you have seen here (not in the 240 forum). And it "makes me want to puke" (your quote) as well.

There's no need to get into a pissing match over it - it's a fact, and it happens on all car enthusiast sites. Unfortunately my duties here preclude me from correcting other forums' discrepancies, but even when I do it here, it's done with tact and integrity.

You can't control what people post, all you can do is offer up your counterpoint in a clear and convincing manner. It doesn't mean the whole site is that way. Period.

BTW, it's apparent that some of our best Nissan experts (long-time Master Techs) don't wander in here too often... Otherwise, you'd probably see more "corrective action".

Bottom line? Don't bash on us in your house (no, I'm not blind, I've seen it) and then come over here looking to pick a fight. I'd be very disappointed if one of our NICO members did that. I'm sure you'll agree that's a fair arrangement.

Your technical input, believe it or not, is very much appreciated.

Let me know if any of this is unclear or overly harsh - My email is always available.

[AZhitman]

p.s. We were typing at the same time.

That last post is solid - Keep up the good work, and welcome to NICO.

[Jsquared]

you mean welcome back

P.S. when did the graphical face of the forums get switched? looks better than the old all-gray You guys need a "pimp-slap user" button or something :thinker

[AZhitman]

you mean welcome back

P.S. when did the graphical face of the forums get switched? looks better than the old all-gray You guys need a "pimp-slap user" button or something :thinker

Welcome back? Were you here before? The 4 posts threw me off. PLEASE tell me I didn't ban you...

Actually, we have many choices of graphics - Go to options and you can choose from several different graphical themes.

I AM the "pimp-slap user" button.

[Jsquared]

hehehe. Actually I think my username must have gone inactive or gotten lost when the site was "freshened up" or whatever, I haven't been here in a really long time

[Nameless EJ6]

Wow this thread got funny.

[TrunkMonkey]

you know what's even funnier...

i've seen people in this thread give hp figures and times for sr setups with fmic, larger exhaust and downpipe or higher boost than stock. no one ran a completely stock setup like night7.

i did a search on FA and found a couple of people with the same completely stock setup and made power right around what he did. no one made a fuss there. go figure.

i would post a link, but either i've been banned (i don't see why), or FA's site has been hacked.

-demetrius

[Wulfgang]

i would post a link, but either i've been banned (i don't see why), or FA's site has been hacked.

-demetrius

Nah, something is wrong with the FA site. I just tried it too and got some SQL error.

[TrunkMonkey]

try to login or go to the forums. it takes you to some russian(?) site.

-demetrius

[gabossie]

I don't seem to have a problem loggin in there, must be fixed. To bad, I wanted to see the russian site :pface

[AZhitman]

you know what's even funnier...

i've seen people in this thread give hp figures and times for sr setups with fmic, larger exhaust and downpipe or higher boost than stock. no one ran a completely stock setup like night7.

i did a search on FA and found a couple of people with the same completely stock setup and made power right around what he did. no one made a fuss there. go figure.

I was thinking the same thing. First time I heard stock hp #'s for the SR, I thought to myself, "that's it?" (I believe it was during a discussion with Anand aka Black240).

I think sometimes we're all guilty of a little exaggeration - Especially after the time, effort and expense of importing a clip, swapping an engine, sorting the wiring, etc.

[Jsquared]

exaggeration? How many people leave an SR stock? How many people go find another stock SMIC if their clip or motorset doesn't have one? The Volvo IC and the 3" exhaust I did to make my swap run, my motorset didn't have a SMIC and the downpipe was dented, and my KA header was rusted to the stock exhaust and I didn't feel like hacking it up and reconnecting a 2" exhaust to a 3" downpipe. And running a turbo car on an NA car's fuel pump is just dumb, so I bought a Walbro. Basic stuff that really isn't going to make much difference. A larger intercooler doesn't do much of anything at stock boost, a larger exhaust at stock boost will only add a couple HP, and a higher-flow fuel pump will richen the mixture and usually be so rich as to negate those extra couple horses from the exhaust. I am not making that much more power compared to stock, a ~4psi increase in boost and some tuning to make the AFR right; and I don't see how you people think it's enough for a TWO SECOND difference in the 1/4-mile...

[Jsquared]

without welded diff, I ran 14.2s and 14.3s with 2.35 or so 60-foot times (spins like nuts). with it I ran what I posted. Most of that was lack of driver skill and not being able to launch properly without locked diff. I know guys who can cut with an open diff the times I was cutting with locked (same guys with VLSDs are hitting 1.9s on 205-width street tires). And while I have a more open exhaust, I also have a catalytic converter and press bends that drop the flow area significantly, and my FMIC piping is absolute garbage (go to an Advance Auto and check out the 2" and 2.25" exhaust elbows and tell me how much you think they flow). I don't have an adjustable FPR, I said "AFR" which meant "Air Fuel Ratio" ... should have said A/F or something. And I will tell you again, I am only making 30 more HP at the wheels, maybe 35 more than bone bare stock that I've seen (ON THE SAME DYNO), which is not a recipe for 2 seconds.

Quote »I took it to the gas station today...filled up the car and then boom - the thing starts running like trash. Can't idle...dies at stop signs, 1st gear don't spool right....then 2nd and 3rd take off like crazy. We felt the fuel lines...and, sure enough, they were pretty squishy, so I swapped in a Walbro Fuel pump (1st mod) and started it back up....same ****, so, figuring that the gas might be bad, I start to drain it with the car running....the more I drained, the better it ran, so I left about 2 gallons in it and drove to the station again....drove perfect on the way there, idled correctly, stayed running at stop signs....boosted correctly. Soon as I filled up again at a different station the same ****....you have any knowledge you can share with me on why this might be happening to the poor little SR?[/quote]too small/clogged fuel filter? California gas is crap? BOV adjusted improperly? Show me the car and I could make a better guess. Since you're the big bad tuning shop, shouldn't you be able to figure this out? I did my swap in my driveway at college, I didn't have any problems like that.

[mav1178]

A friend of mine made roughly 168RWHP on her bone stock S13 for Import Tuner's Power Pages testing a few months back...

Keep in mind that the stock S13 with SR runs roughly the same 1/4 time as an Eclipse GS-T (low 15's). A mid 15 second run would not be unexpected...

Keep in mind various small power upgrades make a huge difference; the stock exhaust on the S13 is very restrictive and any decent aftermarket exhaust makes upwards of 15-20RWHP depending on model type.

Intake, etc all make a difference.

The rest of this bickering is pointless.

-alex

[Siddhartha]

WHOOO! GO SR!!! WHOOO! GO RB!!!

There, now can we stop fighting???

[kevy8up]

I knew i saw that SR in a magazine a few months back.....thats what made me question the SR's power at stock potential. Like i said earlier. Stock for stock id rather have and RB. Nothing against SR. RB only cause im gonna have to go stock for several months till i find money for upgrades. Especially since some SR's and RB25 are very close in price.

[Jsquared]

well I have no idea then [/Keanu-Reeves-on-Celebrity-Jeaopardy voice]. weirdest thing I have ever heard.

Quote »I tune and play with RB's, that is what I am good at. Engines without EGR's that have to be removed, bigger turbos, more displacement, more cylinders, and more torque.[/quote]only the 25, not the 20 more weight too :pface but I'll be danged if an RB25 in an S14 isn't friggin' hot (friend has that, sounds soooo freakin' nice)

[Jsquared]

hehehehe.

"Is it... iced tea?"

[AREITU]

Which Volvo IC? The infamous 740T?

[dareo]

So you ran it w/o a tach, stock 240sx exhaust, no boost gauge?How did you even know when to shift w/o a tach?

[AZhitman]

How did you even know when to shift w/o a tach?

I hope this is sarcasm.

Tachometers and shiftlights are for women. And ricers.

[Jsquared]

...and people who don't enjoy throwing rocker arms or overrevving their engine :rolleyes You at least hooked up the stock tach, right?

Quote »Which Volvo IC? The infamous 740T?[/quote]I believe so, but it might be a later version. It's not the one with the "mickey-mouse ears" endtanks, but normal-looking endtanks with the inlet and outlet slanted backwards at about a 30-degree angle. I'll have to check with my friend, he used to work at a Volvo repair shop and could probably give me the part # from memory

[AZhitman]

Don't roll your eyes at me.

Some of us have driven cars with much more hp (and much more invested) with no need for a tach... I wasn't trying to be an arse, but apparently the age-old method of LISTENING to the engine has become passe.

Is it the booming audio system or a need to look at something other than the road while driving?

[GELLIS2586]

Hey night you said a 395hp sr powered 240 will do an 11.8-12.4. How do you know this? Sport Compact Car has a s13 with 276whp that runs 12.8 So your telling me 120 more hp will equate to only 1 second in the 1/4 mile. The fastes 240 i've ever seen had a ka with 505 whp and ran a 10.2 on slicks.

[Jsquared]

Quote »I wasn't trying to be an arse, but apparently the age-old method of LISTENING to the engine has become passe.

Is it the booming audio system or a need to look at something other than the road while driving?[/quote]My audio system is crap (stock speakers and some CD player the previous owner installed) and I do listen to the engine... and glance down at the tach for a split second so I know where I'm shifting. It's not like I stare at the thing waiting for it to move, I'm not some upside-down-visor-wearing high-schooler looking for Altezzas or JDM badges and trying to get into Super Street :rolleyes If you're not trying to be an ***, you're certainly doing a good job at it anyway. Usually when I glance down I'm right around the 6800-7100 mark and I usually shift at about 7300-7400. Combine me being a paranoid nerd with my partial tone-deafness (ask my friends what happened last time I tried to sing or play a musical instrument by ear LOL... I can sight-read sheetmusic fine (1st chair trumpet in middle school/early highschool) but can't pick notes apart by ear to save my life. Heck, my exGF was a Vocal Performance major and she used to have fun at my expense because I usually couldn't tell the difference when she sang something in a different key) and you can see why I like to make sure I shift at the right spot (and the joker who owned the Silvia/180SX I got my redtop from had some type of aftermarket computer or retune and eliminated the revlimiter... that jerk )

[AZhitman]

LOL - Gotcha.

I learned to drive stickshift in a 70 Barracuda AAR Dan Gurney Special (modded to 600 rwhp and a clutch that took superhuman leg strength)... Damn Mopar pistol-grip shifter with a throw that could be measured with a yardstick...

My, how times have changed.

Can't wait to drive an SR (or RB) powered 240. Hopefully I'll get a chance soon, as our locals at http://www.az240sx.org have been very accepting of the "old guy with the modded Q".

[Jsquared]

hehe yeah that's basically why I decided not to continue with musical stuff in high school

forgot to address this:Quote »Hey night you said a 395hp sr powered 240 will do an 11.8-12.4. How do you know this? Sport Compact Car has a s13 with 276whp that runs 12.8[/quote]Because there are some high-profile cars with 395wHP or so (1bad180SXes being one) and he knows what they run :pface Also, Enjuku's car ran an 11.89 back when it was "only" making 393wHP on their basic turbo kit (lol I wish I "only" had one of those "basic" kits hehe). Also, SCC's car did not run a 12.8, it ran a time that they "corrected" down to 12.8 (taking into account elevation/barometic pressure, ambient temp, etc...), which IIRC (been a while since I read that article) was closer to an actual 13.4 or something. Also, SCC's car isn't that impressive, the V-mount probably didn't net them that much other than being neat-looking, and a turbo for half that price with their supporting mods could make over 300wHP (at least with East-Coast 93-octane )... because it's done quite a bit