So you want to buy a Skyline in the US....

[AZhitman]

They're state-legal, Frank. They're NOT Federalized. Period.

Get in an accident with one and see what happens. Make an insurance claim and see what happens. Hit someone with a good attorney and see what happens.

Florida is one of the MOST lenient states for titling imported cars, their inspectors SUCK and everyone knows it... Trust me, if and when I pick up an R32, it'll come from Florida.

That last phrase just means it's up to the States to title and register vehicles. It doesn't state that the Feds give up their right to impound a non-Federalized vehicle.

I LOL at everyone acting like this is some big "secret". Finding a moron at the DMV doesn't make you a Registered Importer. Just means you pulled one over on "The Man".

[celm]

They're state-legal, Frank. They're NOT Federalized. Period.

Get in an accident with one and see what happens. Make an insurance claim and see what happens. Hit someone with a good attorney and see what happens.

Florida is one of the MOST lenient states for titling imported cars, their inspectors SUCK and everyone knows it... Trust me, if and when I pick up an R32, it'll come from Florida.

That last phrase just means it's up to the States to title and register vehicles. It doesn't state that the Feds give up their right to impound a non-Federalized vehicle.

I LOL at everyone acting like this is some big "secret". Finding a moron at the DMV doesn't make you a Registered Importer. Just means you pulled one over on "The Man".

again your chaging the subject... i wasnt talking about federal B.S. i was talking about someone assuming just because a car was titled by a state then it was titled as forums lingo Kit Car.and what you talking about man,you state is a million times easyer then mine!!!.the guy i know in your state doent even need the car there. The FDOT wont even look at my car unless my paperwork is in order and approved.and again i see you dont like to read before posting.These guys know what these cars are...there only job with teh state has to deal with inspecting and approving non-us cars!!

[Gold Digger]

Frank (celm) and Jon (turtle)

Does it even bother you one bit that you are selling cars to people that aren't even legal? I don't care what you say, "Oh, it's state legal and here is what the NHTSA says..." blah, blah, blah.

You are getting money from someone who is trusting you to get a car that they want. If they are like, "I don't care if it's not 'Legal', just get me one", dosen't it get on your conscience just a little bit?

I couldn't do that to someone, you know, take thousands of dollars and say, "here ya go, pal, best of luck", which, in a sense, is what you are doing.

I guess if you are ok with it, who am I to argue with you.

[AZhitman]

again your chaging the subject... i wasnt talking about federal B.S. i was talking about someone assuming just because a car was titled by a state then it was titled as forums lingo Kit Car.and what you talking about man,you state is a million times easyer then mine!!!.the guy i know in your state doent even need the car there. The FDOT wont even look at my car unless my paperwork is in order and approved.and again i see you dont like to read before posting.These guys know what these cars are...there only job with teh state has to deal with inspecting and approving non-us cars!!

No, I'm keeping the discussion RELEVANT.

My reading skills are just fine, and I communicate VERY clearly in writing.

I'm a little more educated on this topic than you're aware of, and I'm taking responsibility for making sure none of our "less educated" members get screwed.

My state is NOT "a million times easier" to register a non-Federalized imported vehicle - You have NO idea what you're talking about, Frank.

p.s. So far, every guy in AZ doing this stuff has been laughed out of town, and the current one is well on his way to being shut down.

[Count Zero]

To link the quote you love to throw out, look ABOVE it as to what the NHTSA considers a "motor vehicle" that "to be imported free of restriction, a motor vehicle less than 25 years old must be originally manufactured to comply with all applicable FMVSS and bear a label certifying such compliance that is permanently affixed by the vehcile's original manufacturer."

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html

Skylines, sadly, do NOT meet that criteria.

And here's the complete list of eligible non-conforming vehicles ("By or through a Registered Importer")http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/...b.htmScroll down to NISSAN and it lists ONLY the 96-99 R33 models.

And since you hate the term "kit car" (But I bet you have no problem calling that thing that holds the bullets in a gun a "clip", despite it being just as "wrong"), how about your FL definition of "Custom built"

Because, unless you have a fully certified NHTSA-approved converted R33, how else do you title and register a Skyline, but their annoyingly ambiguous "custom body kit on a vehicle" registration?

[AZhitman]

i dont take my cars apart

Really? Interesting. Not what I hear from those who know you in Orlando...

Even if they're NOT disassembled, then they're coming through Customs on FALSE pretenses (track / show use only). So, they're here illegally.

"Custom Built"means the rules are being circumvented as well. To qualify, the car may NEVER have been mass-produced for purchase. That eliminates the Skyline from eligibility.

Again, for the 99th time:

I can afford a nice Skyline. I can write it off as a "business expense". I have law enforcement connections, and DMV connections. I can afford to put a stated-value policy on it.

I don't like the idea of having to look over my shoulder all the time....

[USsil80]

i have read through alot of the documents about importing a skyline.. if you could just find that confidental document that said how motorex did a couple thing and then it would be great.. the company jk tech. did the work and that don't live to far from where i am from in maryland... mybe i should just drop in and talk to them... then i would have a 100% legal skyline...

[celm]

And since you hate the term "kit car" (But I bet you have no problem calling that thing that holds the bullets in a gun a "clip", despite it being just as "wrong"), how about your FL definition of "Custom built"

Because, unless you have a fully certified NHTSA-approved converted R33, how else do you title and register a Skyline, but their annoyingly ambiguous "custom body kit on a vehicle" registration?

my titles are all clean and clear.they dont mention ASPT,rebuild,salvage or what ever terms are used. They tell the correct vin,make and even previous title state.and in that box it say "OS" for over seas

[Count Zero]

How were the cars brought in?As an entire car, or in pieces and then re-assembled?

We all know FL is horribly lax about checking if a car has been imported and converted properly.

What we're saying is this: Per NHSTA, the only cars that have been legally converted and thus are federally approved to be here and on the roads are the Motorex cars. Sad, but true.

Anyone can get a title on a car, especially in Florida.

[celm]

Anyone can get a title on a car, especially in Florida.

come here and try it,and when you cant get it done.i will be happy to charge you a stupid amount to get it done

i done it many time and i enjoy it everytime
Modified by celm at 6:17 PM 4/7/2007

[Count Zero]

I almost did, just to avoid the stupid emissions we have here (for now).

I know many people who live down there. It's easy.Hell, I know people who live here and title and register their cars there, to avoid personal property tax. Again, easy.

No state is as easy to title and register vehicles as Florida.

But the point remains, per NHTSA, the only Federally legal Skylines in the US are the ones that came through Motorex.A state-issued title does NOT over-ride Federal regulations.

That whole quote about the state's being responsible for titling and all that means just that: It's their responsibility to check and ensure that the cars they title are legal. Just because they don't, doesn't mean those cars are magically DOT approved.

And you've yet to EVER answer the one simple question, no matter how many times it gets asked: How do you import your cars? In pieces or as an assembled, fully-running vehicle?

[AZhitman]

They ALL do that, Count.

They think they're the ONLY ones with the "ancient JDM secret".

Hell, the guys here in AZ do the same thing, and I laugh at them. The fact is, it's simply not worth the hassle for the state-employed retards at the DMV to cause a ruckus over...

[celm]

I almost did, just to avoid the stupid emissions we have here (for now).

I know many people who live down there. It's easy.Hell, I know people who live here and title and register their cars there, to avoid personal property tax. Again, easy.

No state is as easy to title and register vehicles as Florida.

But the point remains, per NHTSA, the only Federally legal Skylines in the US are the ones that came through Motorex.A state-issued title does NOT over-ride Federal regulations.

That whole quote about the state's being responsible for titling and all that means just that: It's their responsibility to check and ensure that the cars they title are legal. Just because they don't, doesn't mean those cars are magically DOT approved.

And you've yet to EVER answer the one simple question, no matter how many times it gets asked: How do you import your cars? In pieces or as an assembled, fully-running vehicle?

i answered it many times and u did not read.FULL RUNNING!!

and doing a title transfer of a JDM car that allready has a title from anothere state is simple, all you do is have the title take the car to the Tax office and for them to verify the vin and thats its,title is transfered( im refering to my state only).im talking about its initial title.meaning when u have the car and the jsp de-reg,Thats what im talking about.if you think yuo can just take the car and bring the de-reg and they will just title it.I dont think so!!!! so thats why im saying get the thought out of your head that its easy to do the initial titling of a JDM car in fl.
Modified by celm at 8:59 AM 4/8/2007

[Count Zero]

So you only deal with cars that someone else has already brought in to the country?

Well, whatever helps you sleep at night, comfortable in the fact that you're selling illegal vehicles to people.

[celm]

So you only deal with cars that someone else has already brought in to the country?

Well, whatever helps you sleep at night, comfortable in the fact that you're selling illegal vehicles to people.

99% of the cars i do,arent even mine.i didnt even import them, if i sell a car it was a car i was driving around for a few months.and its registered and insured and the whole nine yards.when do u see me ever listing cars for sale,maybe once every six months...

[turtle600rr]

Frank (celm) and Jon (turtle)

Does it even bother you one bit that you are selling cars to people that aren't even legal? I don't care what you say, "Oh, it's state legal and here is what the NHTSA says..." blah, blah, blah.

You are getting money from someone who is trusting you to get a car that they want. If they are like, "I don't care if it's not 'Legal', just get me one", dosen't it get on your conscience just a little bit?

I couldn't do that to someone, you know, take thousands of dollars and say, "here ya go, pal, best of luck", which, in a sense, is what you are doing.

I guess if you are ok with it, who am I to argue with you.

dude, im sick of people assuming these things about me the the 99% blah blah blah. -sorry admins im just going to get something straight.my cars are NOT kit cars- i bring my cars through a race team, cars like the D1 cars... they dont take those cars apart they bring them in as a WHOLE car, i just stick my cars with the same container, and they give me a time limit to get the cars registered...goddam...

[Gold Digger]

dude, im sick of people assuming these things about me the the 99% blah blah blah. -sorry admins im just going to get something straight.my cars are NOT kit cars- i bring my cars through a race team, cars like the D1 cars... they dont take those cars apart they bring them in as a WHOLE car, i just stick my cars with the same container, and they give me a time limit to get the cars registered...goddam...

Dude, do me a favor and go back and read what I posted. Where did I say anything about your shipping procedures or whether or not you dissassembled them? I was simply asking you about selling illegal cars.

If you were able to contact the NHTSA and work with them to get these cars legal and lo and behold it became a reality, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

My problem is people are selling cars that ARE NOT able to be legalized in the US. MotorEx got many done, albeit through shady practices, legally, and if those cars are selling, I don't question it with proper documentation.

I don't want our membership here at NICO to be taken advantage of. If they know what they are getting into, fine. If they want just a car to take to car shows, track days or the drag strip so they don't need a title, fine. I don't give a damn. I DO give a damn about people selling cars saying, "Oh, I can get it legal in the state," and then not informing thier clients that the cars will not be ferderally legal and they run the risk of the car being impounded or, worse, crushed after shelling out several thousand dollars.

I feel as if I am beating a dead horse, but doen't anyone else see where I am coming from on this?

Oh, and by the way, do not use blasphemy in my forum.

[USsil80]

Oh, and by the way, do not use blasphemy in my forum.

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and that goes for saying any skyline that isn't a 96-98 legal in this country... the docket put forth aid they are the only ones that are legal to drive on the street( WITH MODIFICATIONS )... if i take one of your cars to the cops for inspection am i going to get it back or am i going to watch a very expensive show as it gets crushed

[turtle600rr]

Dude, do me a favor and go back and read what I posted. Where did I say anything about your shipping procedures or whether or not you dissassembled them? I was simply asking you about selling illegal cars.

If you were able to contact the NHTSA and work with them to get these cars legal and lo and behold it became a reality, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

My problem is people are selling cars that ARE NOT able to be legalized in the US. MotorEx got many done, albeit through shady practices, legally, and if those cars are selling, I don't question it with proper documentation.

I don't want our membership here at NICO to be taken advantage of. If they know what they are getting into, fine. If they want just a car to take to car shows, track days or the drag strip so they don't need a title, fine. I don't give a damn. I DO give a damn about people selling cars saying, "Oh, I can get it legal in the state," and then not informing thier clients that the cars will not be ferderally legal and they run the risk of the car being impounded or, worse, crushed after shelling out several thousand dollars.

I feel as if I am beating a dead horse, but doen't anyone else see where I am coming from on this?

Oh, and by the way, do not use blasphemy in my forum.

ok guys... i know where your coming from, i had already quit posting my cars for sale just to save us all the head ache. i just want everyone to leave me out of those posts saying im bsing ect...

[celm]

ok guys... i know where your coming from, i had already quit posting my cars for sale just to save us all the head ache. i just want everyone to leave me out of those posts saying im bsing ect...

+1

[AZhitman]

None of this is to say that I would pass up an R32 GT-R or GTS-T at the right price....

[Gold Digger]

ok guys... i know where your coming from, i had already quit posting my cars for sale just to save us all the head ache. i just want everyone to leave me out of those posts saying im bsing ect...

+1

Thanks guys, I just wanted to make sure you understood what I was saying.

[Sechsterlo]

Hey guys, new guy here, great place, really great. Ive tried reading as much of this as I can, Ive been on a mad hunt the past week trying to find out as much about getting a Skyline as possible. Yknow, research now, and be prepared later when you can afford it. Now, forgive me, but Id like to ask for clarification on just a few things because this thread in particular has a great deal of information that goes back and forth. So please correct me if Im wrong, or if Ive misunderstood any details.

The only truly federally legal Skyline is one that came over via the now defunct Motorex.

If it isnt federally legal, then you cant use it for general everyday use on the street.

If you have a skyline that isnt federally legal, if found it will likely be exported, impounded, crushed, or otherwise made unretainable.

Based on this info, and assuming its not wrong, am I to draw the conclusion that I basically cannot legally get an R32 GTR unless it was a Motorex imported machine? Ideally I would prefer to get one that is already stateside, so as not to deal with all the importing red tape, but now Im really not sure what the best course of action is.

[Gold Digger]

You have pretty much nailed it man.

One thing though, and I am not 100% sure on this, but the R33 Skylines, according to the NHTSA, is the only model that is legal to import and have modified to regulations.

But...I have been told that the NHTSA has recinded that statement and no Skyline is allowed to be legally imported.

Can anyone verify that?

[AZhitman]

That is correct Neal.

Now, for those cars that have passed a state inspection, and by whatever means have been issued a US VIN and are registered, there may be NO problems for their owners.

However, there's always the chance that something goes wrong (usually due to an accident, a vandalism / theft, or simply a "hater") that brings the car to "official" attention...

[ja sam debo]

please dont be mad, but i am a newb for sure...i just moved here from italy and was trying to read up on the rules but find myself quite impatient. from what ive read, italy is much easier to have cars imported to... but anyways. id like to get the 2000 skyline gt-r34 but you say thats not possible? i dont understand americans and their restrictions. is there any possible way to get it imported and insured... at all? is there a place i can buy a 2000 skyline gt-r34 that is already legally in the us? (i would take the risks of doing it illegally, but i do not want to be deported with the car) and if not what kind of car should i get? i want to 'street race' and i want to be able to modify it.

[kuuligan]

commenting from a few posts above...I know for a fact 96+ skylines are alot easier to import.

I have a 97 skyline, legally registered and inspected for Texas..and did not get it via motorex

[DarkBlueSr240]

So there is no way to go about this.... And how do the owners that are on here have theres? how can I get one...?

[Count Zero]

commenting from a few posts above...I know for a fact 96+ skylines are alot easier to import.

I have a 97 skyline, legally registered and inspected for Texas..and did not get it via motorex

So, you've got an illegally imported and registered car....hope nothing happens to it.

The simplest summation was posted just above:

That is correct Neal.

Now, for those cars that have passed a state inspection, and by whatever means have been issued a US VIN and are registered, there may be NO problems for their owners.

However, there's always the chance that something goes wrong (usually due to an accident, a vandalism / theft, or simply a "hater") that brings the car to "official" attention...

So there is no way to go about this.... And how do the owners that are on here have theres? how can I get one...?

Got lucky enough to catch a Motorex car for sale was the first person to call the guy and put down a deposit.

[kuuligan]

how is the car illegally imported?

Stays in the garage 99% of the time anyways

So, you've got an illegally imported and registered car....hope nothing happens to it.