ok i wanna know..
why so much fapping over the skyline?
i know about the engine.. its a pretty damn nice setup and all, and AWD is fantastic as well... but still.
ive never heard anything about handling on the skyline.. its always straight line performance, which frankly, i dont give a crap about. other brands awd monsters are all 2.0L 4cyls, for the sake of rally... and i dont remember the skyline really being talked about in a road-course situation.. does the car even handle well? comparitively well to the other high priced/high powered cars? like zo6 or NSX, or even supras?
so i just wanna know more about them... as it stands, im not really seeing them as the great car everyone makes it out to be..
skylines?
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I'd say the car was always more of the technical tour-de-force from Nissan. That pretty much summarizes every opinion I have about the car. It was a tech showcase that owned all the competition of it's time.
I'd say the car was always more of the technical tour-de-force from Nissan. That pretty much summarizes every opinion I have about the car. It was a tech showcase that owned all the competition of it's time.
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TomsMR2, there's some fellas on NICO who have sick knowledge of Skylines. There's a few Skyline owners too. You might find your best info by sifting through some of the skyline forums and see what Themadscientist and other brainy guys say about them. I fear the serious Skyline enthusiasts and the guys who actually own them don't frequent the 240 forum.
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Hopefully the link works. It kinda explains why the Skyline is such a hyped up car. It kicks other cars asses. The R32 is kinda the epitomy of the Skyline family though. Well, in the performance aspect anyways. It was banned from group A series racing because of its total dominance, it went undefeated for a whole season, or something to that extent. This was against the forementioned Supras, NSXs and such. Even againt the Ferrari F40s, McLaren F1s (supposedly the fastest production street car in the world, also the most expensive at over 1,000,000 dollars) Vipers, Lamborghini Diablos, Porsche GT2s and then some. The RB engine released in Japan rated at 280ps is a joke, as it dynos a lot of the time at over 300. Stock. The ATTESA-ETS creates almost perfect power distribution fromt he from to back under any circumstances. And the 4 wheel steering makes it handle like cars half its size. The hype is there for a reason. This car is absolutely insane. The horsepower numbers and straight line speed aren't what this car were built for, although those are impressive also. That is just what the American audience, I feel anyways, really cares about in general. I'm sure there is something that I said that might be incorrect or something, so feel free to chime in and correct me, but I think most of the facts there are true.
Sorry for the long post, I just love Skylines :pface
Hopefully the link works. It kinda explains why the Skyline is such a hyped up car. It kicks other cars asses. The R32 is kinda the epitomy of the Skyline family though. Well, in the performance aspect anyways. It was banned from group A series racing because of its total dominance, it went undefeated for a whole season, or something to that extent. This was against the forementioned Supras, NSXs and such. Even againt the Ferrari F40s, McLaren F1s (supposedly the fastest production street car in the world, also the most expensive at over 1,000,000 dollars) Vipers, Lamborghini Diablos, Porsche GT2s and then some. The RB engine released in Japan rated at 280ps is a joke, as it dynos a lot of the time at over 300. Stock. The ATTESA-ETS creates almost perfect power distribution fromt he from to back under any circumstances. And the 4 wheel steering makes it handle like cars half its size. The hype is there for a reason. This car is absolutely insane. The horsepower numbers and straight line speed aren't what this car were built for, although those are impressive also. That is just what the American audience, I feel anyways, really cares about in general. I'm sure there is something that I said that might be incorrect or something, so feel free to chime in and correct me, but I think most of the facts there are true.
Sorry for the long post, I just love Skylines :pface
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Huh? A good friend of mine who lived in Tokyo, Japan for the last 30years (he came back to U.S. in June '02) says the majority of the Japanese population does not drive. He came back here and hadn't driven an automobile consistently(daily) for the past 30 freakin years. Sure, the car is much more common there. That is no breakthrough.
ok, then it was mainly australiaSmithSR wrote:Huh? A good friend of mine who lived in Tokyo, Japan for the last 30years (he came back to U.S. in June '02) says the majority of the Japanese population does not drive. He came back here and hadn't driven an automobile consistently(daily) for the past 30 freakin years. Sure, the car is much more common there. That is no breakthrough.
The Skyline GTR is repected as an all around performance car, not just a drag car. If i remember correctly i don't think Nissan itself officially imported any Skylines out of Japan; all the Skylines in England and Australia were shipped there by special importers. They are many Skylines in Japan because they are many different levels of the Skyline. There are the GTR, GTS-T, 25GT-turbo, GTS25, 2000GT, GT-V and others. Some Skylines are 2-door, some 4-door and some of the lower models are more like regular sedans.
When the R32 GTR came out I don't think there were many other cars, and not only Japanese cars, that could keep up with it . The Skyline would not have the respect it has, all around the world, if it was only a straight line performer.
And unless you're a hell of a driver i don't think you could spank a GTR in autox.
When the R32 GTR came out I don't think there were many other cars, and not only Japanese cars, that could keep up with it . The Skyline would not have the respect it has, all around the world, if it was only a straight line performer.
And unless you're a hell of a driver i don't think you could spank a GTR in autox.
More good points! Any publication...even mainstream magazines such as Car&Driver(for example, small caption, Jan'02, pg31)...speak of the Skyline GT-R and it's world beating technology/handling dynamics....far outreaching any offering from competitors at the time. This is common knowledge. The water becomes diluted somewhat when more and more fans of the car come around and hype it as the best automobile ever devised. I'd say it was certainly a world-beater of the time, packing more tech and more performance hardware than any other car of it's era. Still an ultra powerful machine, with handling dynamics beyond that of most cars built today.
raging panda wrote:http://www.racing.jbskyline.net/
Even againt the Ferrari F40s, McLaren F1s (supposedly the fastest production street car in the world, also the most expensive at over 1,000,000 dollars)
Sorry for the long post, I just love Skylines :pface
It's not supposedly the fastest production street car it is the fastest street car no doubt about it. And in that racing the Mclaren F1 is tuned down. So if you take a stock Skyline and pin it against a stock Mclaren F1, well then it will be like watching a toddler trying to beat an olympic athlete in a race.
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Ahhh...this thread is full of confused individuals. Especially the guy with the MR2. I've driven quite a few really nice MR2's over here in Japan. I've also driven a few GTR's setup for road course and not just drag. With sticky tires alone, the car is an animal. The AWD system is excellent at keeping even the most novice driver on the track.
I've personally owned 2 GTS-ts. Since I'm into drag and can change out a blown motor for 200 bucks, rather then a few grand for the RB26. But I still love the GTR. I don't know of to many cars that will run a 10 in the 1/4 then drive up the street and race the road course all day afterwards.
The GTR is a very well rounded car...best on the planet?? Maybe not. But I'd put it in the top 10 without even looking back.
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I've personally owned 2 GTS-ts. Since I'm into drag and can change out a blown motor for 200 bucks, rather then a few grand for the RB26. But I still love the GTR. I don't know of to many cars that will run a 10 in the 1/4 then drive up the street and race the road course all day afterwards.
The GTR is a very well rounded car...best on the planet?? Maybe not. But I'd put it in the top 10 without even looking back.
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http://www.jbskyline.net/ there is a lot of good info on that site. the PGC110 2dr was the best handling skyline ever. perfect balance and drivability. and comparing the McCalren and the skyline isnt really a comparison. two totally different cars.
WDRacing wrote:Ahhh...this thread is full of confused individuals. Especially the guy with the MR2.
i dont see how you think im confused
. i just asked questions. i was interested to know about the well-roundness of the car, because everyone talks about it in a drag/high hp sense. just wanted to know more about the car... and i still think an mr2 could spank it in autox
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Driving impressions
A bit long winded, but I feel this article is worth quoting. This is a small bit from a test drive of an R32, R33, and R34 back to back to back, done for EVO magazine. Quotes come from issue#041, March '02. Shall we?
The author is speaking of a completely stock condition 1989 R32 on loan to the magazine from a Mr. Dave Redpath. Only mod being a "subtle Trust exhaust."
"....a thrilling wave of mid-range torque pushed my back into the seat. What was even more surprising was that the thrust continued, in fact increased, right up to our self-imposed 7000prm limit. This propensity to rev could be due partially to the freer-breathing Trust exhaust system, but the fact remains that this is still a seriously fast car.
On torrentially wet roads this Skyline had no problem breaking traction, both from rest and all the way around corners. In most other cars that might have been a worry, but in a GT-R it's merely the cue to keep your toe in and have fun.
On entering a bend, the Super-HICAS four-wheel-steer system resists understeer by steering the rear wheels initially in the opposite direction to the fronts, then latterly in parallel to help stabilise the car when it's settled into the corner. But the ATTESSA electronic torque split only diverts power to the front wheels when the rears slip, hence the need to keep power applied so the fronts can help to pull the car out of the slide.
This is the point where sceptics say 'where's the fun if the car does it all for you?' Answer is, it doesn't. You still have to apply the right amount of opposite lock at the right time and wind it off at the correct rate too, as well as re-learning how to use the throttle as described.
But forget how the R32 GT-R does what it does; how does it <feel> when it's doing it? In a word, fan-bloody-tastic! There's never been a better power-assisted steering system for feel and feedback than this one. Every nuance of grip and road suface is conveyed subtly and accurately through the rim and the slight initial understeer is telegraphed clearly, telling you that lateral grip limits have been exceeded. Provided the exit to the corner is clear, a slight squeeze of the throttle send the tail out in classic front-engined rear-drive fashion, but the way to gather it in is to counter-steer and give the throttle even more pressure. This transforms powerslides from silly, speed-wasting indulgence to, within reason, the fastest way to accelerate out of a corner.
The R32 does all this with the highest level of involvement; you are totally unaware of the technology, apart from the fact that you are grinning from ear to ear and accelerating away from corners that would be a sweat-soaked nightmare in lesser vehicles. It just feels like a perfectly balanced rear-wheel-drive car with uncanny traction. Unlikely as it sounds, this car feels pure."......
There you have it. Handling prowess to rival any car...and own most cars produced today...14 years later.
Please notice when the author states:"there has never been a better power-assisted steering system for feel and feedback." -this was a car built in 1989!
Skyline R32 GT-R > mr2
The author is speaking of a completely stock condition 1989 R32 on loan to the magazine from a Mr. Dave Redpath. Only mod being a "subtle Trust exhaust."
"....a thrilling wave of mid-range torque pushed my back into the seat. What was even more surprising was that the thrust continued, in fact increased, right up to our self-imposed 7000prm limit. This propensity to rev could be due partially to the freer-breathing Trust exhaust system, but the fact remains that this is still a seriously fast car.
On torrentially wet roads this Skyline had no problem breaking traction, both from rest and all the way around corners. In most other cars that might have been a worry, but in a GT-R it's merely the cue to keep your toe in and have fun.
On entering a bend, the Super-HICAS four-wheel-steer system resists understeer by steering the rear wheels initially in the opposite direction to the fronts, then latterly in parallel to help stabilise the car when it's settled into the corner. But the ATTESSA electronic torque split only diverts power to the front wheels when the rears slip, hence the need to keep power applied so the fronts can help to pull the car out of the slide.
This is the point where sceptics say 'where's the fun if the car does it all for you?' Answer is, it doesn't. You still have to apply the right amount of opposite lock at the right time and wind it off at the correct rate too, as well as re-learning how to use the throttle as described.
But forget how the R32 GT-R does what it does; how does it <feel> when it's doing it? In a word, fan-bloody-tastic! There's never been a better power-assisted steering system for feel and feedback than this one. Every nuance of grip and road suface is conveyed subtly and accurately through the rim and the slight initial understeer is telegraphed clearly, telling you that lateral grip limits have been exceeded. Provided the exit to the corner is clear, a slight squeeze of the throttle send the tail out in classic front-engined rear-drive fashion, but the way to gather it in is to counter-steer and give the throttle even more pressure. This transforms powerslides from silly, speed-wasting indulgence to, within reason, the fastest way to accelerate out of a corner.
The R32 does all this with the highest level of involvement; you are totally unaware of the technology, apart from the fact that you are grinning from ear to ear and accelerating away from corners that would be a sweat-soaked nightmare in lesser vehicles. It just feels like a perfectly balanced rear-wheel-drive car with uncanny traction. Unlikely as it sounds, this car feels pure."......
There you have it. Handling prowess to rival any car...and own most cars produced today...14 years later.
Please notice when the author states:"there has never been a better power-assisted steering system for feel and feedback." -this was a car built in 1989!
Skyline R32 GT-R > mr2
^ um.. that was a one sided statement about the skyline only.. not a comparison.
i could bring up a million articles comparing mr2s to high end sportscars fapping over excellent handling characteristics, stating its the best car evAr.. theres just no point tho. its not a direct car to car comparison. Quote »Please notice when the author states:"there has never been a better power-assisted steering system for feel and feedback." -this was a car built in 1989![/quote]alot of mr2s didnt come with power steering.. i dont see how that statement is relative to anything?
im not saying mr2s are better. trackwise, they lack power, or have intercooling problems. im just stating that the small article you copied has absolutely no bearing or support to your comment: Quote »Skyline R32 GT-R > mr2[/quote]
i could bring up a million articles comparing mr2s to high end sportscars fapping over excellent handling characteristics, stating its the best car evAr.. theres just no point tho. its not a direct car to car comparison. Quote »Please notice when the author states:"there has never been a better power-assisted steering system for feel and feedback." -this was a car built in 1989![/quote]alot of mr2s didnt come with power steering.. i dont see how that statement is relative to anything?
im not saying mr2s are better. trackwise, they lack power, or have intercooling problems. im just stating that the small article you copied has absolutely no bearing or support to your comment: Quote »Skyline R32 GT-R > mr2[/quote]