skylines?

[89240sx]

I would have to agree , that article was one sided and who knows who the author is? and how do we know if he is even credible?

I'm not agreeing with the fact that an mr2 would eat a skyline in autox , I'm only agreeing with the point that the article you posted was sortof pointless.

Also .... just because this guy thinks the car handles the best doesnt make it so!

[Megaseth]

the power steering thing isnt the same. its 4wheel steering, the thing turns on a dime. the skyline GT-R is a beast and handles very well. i dont think the MR2 could keep up with one, not only in the straights, but taking turns as fast.

[89240sx]

I would also agree with you on that.... 4 wheel steering is amazing!

[zachosz]

In Australia they call the R32 "Godzilla"mainly because on the circuit it's simply unbeatable. True, that is a purpose-built car, but it goes to show the true potential of the GT-R. I've seen a video where they had a Rx-7, NSX, R32, R34 and some other cars on a road course, the Skylines did good, can't remember what they finished, but they certainly kept up with the pace. If you can keep up with a NSX you know you did good, especially when the R34 is so much heavier.

[Megaseth]

yeah, the things are really heavy, like 3400lbs

[SmithSR]

OK, for those of you who aren't aware, EVO and CAR magazines, both coming from the UK, are popular worldwide. Pointless to question the integrity of the source of the article, but go ahead if you feel you have an argument there. The point of me quoting the article is to show, not from a "skyline guru" or "skyline fanboy" but a regular car tester and automotive journalist, that the technology employed by Nissan in 1989, 14 years ago, was and still is superior. TomsMR2, you seem to think that the car is incapable of turning quickly, and therefore would lose to your MR2 in an auto-x race. Again, my point of taking the time to quote the article was to give everybody here a glimpse into the handling dynamics(and the high praise given) which you seem to be questioning.

True, it is not a head to head with an MR2. That result in my mind is a foregone conclusion anyways.

Notice the comments in this thread questioning the handling prowess of the Skyline. Those comments were the reason for my posting the article excerpt. Not to shove it in your face and be rude about it, but rather to point out that those who have driven the car, and at 9/10 or 10/10 have put down on paper and in publication that the technology used by Nissan on a 14 year old car is superior to many MANY modern designs.

If my little "Skyline > mr2" comment rubbed any of you gentlemen the wrong way, then buck up man, and trade up to a Nissan. have a nice day all.

BTW, the complete article goes on to give 4-1/2 stars to the R32, being lightest and most "nimble", "tossable" ....4 stars to the heavier, somewhat bulky R33, R34.

[Chingon]

true. there are many skylines that a lot of people probably dont even know about

No ****, most people don't even know that this is a skyline:

[Chingon]

I suppor the mr2. Many people compare its handling to that of a ferrari, and I'm talking about the markI.

[Chingon]

the gt-r is a hell of a car. However, I've seen it beat by 2 ae86. Of course they were professional drivers and the skyline driver was a mere civilian, but it was still beat.

[Chingon]

It's not supposedly the fastest production street car it is the fastest street car no doubt about it. And in that racing the Mclaren F1 is tuned down. So if you take a stock Skyline and pin it against a stock Mclaren F1, well then it will be like watching a toddler trying to beat an olympic athlete in a race.

Hehe, no doubt, I saw a japanese clip doing this and again in a top gear review, and the skyline could not even dream of keeping up. Fibre carbon body and what, 600hp na? How could they even dare.

[theronin]

you forgot to say that on that clip... the ae's were heavily modded and the skyline was STOCK!!!

[Chingon]

yeah, I guess, but you forget that a heavily modded ae86 can in average make only 220 hps. And I don't know japanese so I don't know if they were heavily modded.

[Onizuka]

It's not supposedly the fastest production street car it is the fastest street car no doubt about it. And in that racing the Mclaren F1 is tuned down. So if you take a stock Skyline and pin it against a stock Mclaren F1, well then it will be like watching a toddler trying to beat an olympic athlete in a race.

How much does a Mclaren cost? You buy a mclaren and ill buy either 15 GTRs or one GTR + mods that will kick a mclarens *** (or at least i hope it would )

[Cyberkreig]

the gt-r is a hell of a car. However, I've seen it beat by 2 ae86. Of course they were professional drivers and the skyline driver was a mere civilian, but it was still beat.

I know exactly the video you are talking about and it is COMPLETELY irrelevant. It was ONE Gtr (lightly tuned, poorly driven) vs. TWO AE86's (highly tuned and well driven). The two AE's used classic team driving style to wear him down and force him out of the way.

[Megaseth]

and how can you compare a big V8 making 600NA hp to a 2.6l inline 6. no contest. and the thing has a bigger advantage over the Skyline becuase of its weight. Motorex's black bird did 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, and the 1/4 in the 11s. and this was with around 500hp, AND the car weighed like 3300lbs.

[SmithSR]

^ um.. that was a one sided statement about the skyline only.. not a comparison.

Did i say it was a comparison between skyline/mr2? your only argument is the skyline cannot turn quickly. I have given you written, pulicized driving impression to the contrary

alot of mr2s didnt come with power steering.. i dont see how that statement is relative to anything?

When something is said to have the best power-assisted steering ever(from a professional car tester), and you are saying the car lacks handling prowess, you are calling the professional car testers/journalists liars. What are they trying to do??? Boost sales for the Nissan Skyline GT-R by lying and over-hyping the car??? Poor argument.

im not saying mr2s are better. trackwise, they lack power, or have intercooling problems. im just stating that the small article you copied has absolutely no bearing or support to your comment:

Again, the article I quoted was to give you professional insight into the handling capability of the Skyline GT-R R32. You have been questioning the handling capability of the car, and therefore, I have presented documentation to suggest that the car CAN handle quite well, thanks to technology which was light years ahead of it's competition back in 1989, and is still a benchmark today. The article DOES have bearing on the subject. Just because the article is in opposition to your personal views doesn't mean it is wrong. As far as my own "comments" go, those are my opinion. We have heard your opinion: that an mr2 would spank a skyline in an auto-x. I disagree.

[SmithSR]

McLaren, last time I checked cost a cool million.

$1.2mil total for legalize in U.S. No longer available BTW.

How many everyday supercars(Skyline, 911turbo for ex.) can you buy with that?

[Onizuka]

McLaren, last time I checked cost a cool million.

$1.2mil total for legalize in U.S. No longer available BTW.

How many everyday supercars(Skyline, 911turbo for ex.) can you buy with that?

yeah thats about 24 GTRs (legalized) by my calculations, thats why the GTR vs Mclaren argument made so much sense :rolleyes

[JESTER]

Well i had to put my two cents in, of course.

TomsMR2, Smith was providing you with information reguarding your question. You asked about the handling of the car, so he provided you with an artical in a respected magazine.

Personally, I love the 2nd gen MR2 turbo. It is a good little car, if a little under powered. But of course I feel several of the turbo four bangers are under powered.

I have not seen any specific comparisons between MR2 and Skylines (in the GT-R) format. Why? It is pointless. Stock versus stock would be one sided. Just as the exotics against the Skyline would.

Anywho

[Chingon]

I know exactly the video you are talking about and it is COMPLETELY irrelevant. It was ONE Gtr (lightly tuned, poorly driven) vs. TWO AE86's (highly tuned and well driven). The two AE's used classic team driving style to wear him down and force him out of the way.

I know that the argument is somehow irrelevant. But lets face it, a heavily tuned ae86 would be around the same as a stock skyline. Suspension, braking, power, it's all there. I'd say they were running on even machinery, and dare I say, even handicapped? However, the skyline lost due to the drivers "expertise" or lack thereof. All I was trying to say, is that it can be beaten even with an old hachi. Don't get me wrong, I think that the main purpose of that race was to prove the skyline's prowess, which it did successfully, losing barely to the professional drivers. Overall I love the skyline, and its power, but its not an unbeatable machine, and when someone makes the statement that an mr2 can beat a skyline, I believe it. However, not with the driver of this forum.

[theronin]

Sorry i disagree, i think a highly modified hachi surpasses a stock skyline! and i think alot here agree with me!

[WDRacing]

Hmm...I doubt you'd be able to take a GTR on the track, the MR2 is far to underpowered. The handling doesn't compare, I could go on but won't. I assume your talking about stock for stock, cause your chances only get slimmer if you modify the GTR.

WD

[WDRacing]

Sorry i disagree, i think a highly modified hachi surpasses a stock skyline! and i think alot here agree with me!

You can't be serious!!!!!!!!!!! Hachi's are great for drifting, I didn't think we were talking about drifting. The rear end brakes loose with almost no throttle input, hence the drift car tendencies.

WD

[theronin]

Did you even read my post? are you saying that you cant in any way modify a hachis suspension to compensate for its oversteer? weird

[WDRacing]

I doubt a Hachi even with "highly modified" suspension would be able to hang with a GTR. It's far to underpowered, even slight straights would be enough for the GTR to make up any lost time do to the wt and handling of a Hachi. Not to mention the GTR doesn't exactly handle badly...

WD

[NiSilS14]

and how can you compare a big V8 making 600NA hp to a 2.6l inline 6. no contest. and the thing has a bigger advantage over the Skyline becuase of its weight. Motorex's black bird did 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, and the 1/4 in the 11s. and this was with around 500hp, AND the car weighed like 3300lbs.

i thought a Mclaren had a V12

[SmithSR]

A <mildly> tuned BMW 6.1liter V12. Good for 627bhp @ 7400prm, 479 lb ft @ 4000prm.

A problem i noticed in one of my recent posts: I said asking price on a McLaren was an even 1 million, and to get one for legal use in the U.S. is 1.2mil. Those numbers are for the British pound. If you do the math, by today's exchange rate, that comes to a whopping 1,994,151.58USD for a street legal car.(from xe.com, exchange rate as of 7-7-03 )

[TomsMR2]

the hachi chassis is a BEAST. its piss light weight. in full race weight, it breaks in at about a scant 1900-2000lbs. its been proven time, and time, and time, and time again that it has extremely excellent handling capabilities. a *tuned* hachi should push 270hp, at a bare minumum. the levin gze, tuned, should be pushing close to 250hp.. which makes 2000lbs/250hp.. or 8 lbs/hp

its relitively well known that hachis are total *** for drifting when stock. their obsurd underpower makes a confident drift almost impossible.

a tuned hatchi, having a 1K lbs advantage, would dominate in handling, given a proper swap and tune. gze swaps are commonly 200hp+

ive stated mr2s arent good track cars. at high boost states, they have SEVERE intercooling problems. in NA form, they've been raping autox for years.

[nrcooled]

Most here have been referencing road courses and not auto-x. If you have been to a road course you will know that it is very different then auto-x. Auto-x will even the playing field by rewarding a tossable car over a powerful car. Take that mr-2 to a road course and the Skyline will own it. To comment on a HICAS equipped vehicle, I have HICAS on my 240 and at the road course it is wonderful. It makes up for my mistakes (braking too late, coming in too hot, early throttle) or should I say it allows me to drive the car harder.

-A propsition-I have always wanted to go to the Streets of Willow or Laguna Seca so if I ever make it out I will give you a call and you can run against the Skylines retarted cousin... the 240sx

[f1seb]

How much does a Mclaren cost? You buy a mclaren and ill buy either 15 GTRs or one GTR + mods that will kick a mclarens *** (or at least i hope it would )

Well if you spent alot of money in it you probably will have the Mclaren F1 in 0-60 and the 1/4 range. But passed that once you hit into the high 100mph zones I don't think the GTR would be able to stay in front for much longer. The reason why these 2 cars should not be even compared are pretty evident. The F1 was designed by Gordon Murray. A guy who built a few Championship winning cars for Ron Dennis. It was built I belive in 1994 with existing F1 techonolgy (which by now is probably caveman type if you compared it to todays.) The car was built to be the ultimate street car. Murray stated it many times that he was not building a streetable race car. The F1 is built out of carbon fibre which is the lightest and strongest material till this day. It is also an exotic. And because it has been out of production since I think 1998 the price on that thing is only going to continue going up. Now the skyline was not built with F1 technology. It was not meant to be an exotic(cause it doesnt look like one to me). And it is not made out of carbon fiber that's why its so cheap when comparing it. To be fair in comparisons you have to find the class that the car is in sometimes it's harder then you think. There is still a reason why the Mclaren holds the record for 0-100mph-0 and the top speed of 231mph. Now you could most likely hook up some cars to do that but if you do make a car that will beat the McLarens top speed record but I doubt it will be able to handle like the McLaren still does. And for the final note those records are posted for the unmodified street legal production car out of the factory. So they will remain there until some other unmodified street legal car beats it. I also dont think the Skyline has the aerodynamics to go as fast as 231mph but I could be wrong. You could strap a jet engine to anything and see what happens.