Skylines, Supras, etc for sale

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

Well I'm done in this thread. I just felt it was necessary to shed some basic information on legally importing and modifying nonconforming cars to be road legal in the US. It's a very complicated process and in the long run is not worth the while to spend all the extra money for let's say a jdm 180sx when in all actuality it's the exact same car as a usdm 240hb w/ an SR. It would be more cost effective to register a nonconforming import as a race/show/display car, but you are stuck exporting it back in 1 year's time. So then again it's a complete waste of money because you are in effect leasing a car for a years off-road use. Hooray! Also each person is titled to his/her own opinions and at this point in time my opinion about Daunt and his little operation is not that high. Period.

[MaineExport]

Hey... everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it would be foolish for ANYONE to go into something like this blindfolded. I think it's healthy to be skeptical... I am. I'm just saying that it MAY be easier than you would think... and it may not be. You shared some valuable info and you may have saved someone a lot of hassles... don't be pissy about it.

[TougeRPS13]

I agree with Toki, no riced out Skylines, Ricers can have the Civic and Eclipse let the non posers keep the real cars

[toki]

Does anyone think it would be hard to sell off a non-legal R32 GTR in the US? Because I am going to canada in under 2 weeks and we are looking for a new car, and that one site has the GTR shipped to canada for 12k, and papers to give you "6 month to a year" to legalize it. I would almost be up for convincing the parental unit to buy it and drive it for 6 months, just to have a RHD GTR, if only for 6 months.

[toki]

PS Swift Drift, that one company with 12k GTR I spoke of that was posted earlier, claims to give you papers that give you as i said "6 months to a year" to legalize it, so I dont see where customs or any of that **** comes into play?

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

Does anyone think it would be hard to sell off a non-legal R32 GTR in the US? Because I am going to canada in under 2 weeks and we are looking for a new car, and that one site has the GTR shipped to canada for 12k, and papers to give you "6 month to a year" to legalize it. I would almost be up for convincing the parental unit to buy it and drive it for 6 months, just to have a RHD GTR, if only for 6 months.

I would not buy a nonlegal car. why would you pay 12k for a car that is only good for track use, etc. I understand if that's all it's intended for, but I am not that rich so I much daily drive the car(s) I own. Toki you are being very naive about buying this "12k skyline." Canada is a whole seperate damn country. They have their own import regulations and legalizing procedures. Did you know if you bought a canadian car you still are technically "importing" it to the US and having to reregister and legalize it for road use in the US?! Probably not since you are going to ask your parents to buy it for you lmao.

Quote »PS Swift Drift, that one company with 12k GTR I spoke of that was posted earlier, claims to give you papers that give you as i said "6 months to a year" to legalize it, so I dont see where customs or any of that **** comes into play?[/quote]

again good call bucko. hooray they "CLAIM" to give you papers. have you ever called them and directly talked to them? Also I do not see OmegaSkylines name on the list of government affiliated Registered Importers (RI). Did you know that only an RI can officially and legally resell an imported car for road use? Like i've already stated motorex has spent the time and money to become an RI which is why they are the only legal place to buy a skyline. Motorex doens't hide any of their secrets you can read anything about them in their FAQ and I have talked to them in person over the phone asking specific import guidelines questions. I was checking around Omega's website and they will not disclose their "DOT" partners, yet they still assure you everything is legal. IMO they are total BS. Also if that is not proof enough for you...If you would spend time reading the official US DOT/EPA/CUSTOMS regs it says in very plain english that only and RI/ICI may modify a nonconforming car (which every imported skyline is) to meet safety/road/crash standards and if this is not done properly within 120 days (4 months) the car must be exported back to the country of origin. This is why im saying OmegaSkylines is total crock and BS since they don't even seem to know the rules themselves. Basically the "12k skyline" you will be buying will not be legal. but hey? what do i know right, since ive actually read this stuff front to back many times over. oh and since I have an off-road/race legal only imported 1992 180SX sitting in my driveway...

Quote »Hey... everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it would be foolish for ANYONE to go into something like this blindfolded. I think it's healthy to be skeptical... I am. I'm just saying that it MAY be easier than you would think... and it may not be. You shared some valuable info and you may have saved someone a lot of hassles... don't be pissy about it.[/quote]

maine please don't take any of my ranting as personally directed towards you. its unerving seeing kids claiming all this crap that they can get skylines from other "reputable" sources without even knowing the rules about importing cars in the first place. Also it might be prudent for someone to go right on ahead and buy one of these cars from these "legitimate sources" to prove me wrong (which i highly doubt). same even goes for daunt, why hasn't someone already purchased a car from him using his "legal" methods. and if someone has, well then it looks like we are going to all be waiting at least oh...8 months before we have proof...

[SmithSR]

Swift, I'm with you here. How many threads have been started about "importing for cheap" or "legalize for cheap" or "just swap vins, man..it's all good, dogg"

Why aren't there several companies competing with MotoRex??

and don't pitch me something about Daunt this, Daunt that...if he's got it figured out, then great...i hope he is able to hook his NICO faithful up and make a profit too...we'll see, and time will tell. Good luck to him.

To see thread after thread(just go to the Skyline forum) about how can I get a Skyline here for cheap, it's almost embarassing. There are so many people trying to sneak around the system, and none of these plans ever end up with the purchase of a legal Skyline. Kids are allowed to dream all they want. I was no different. What I see is, the pursuit of those dreams is severely lacking. If your dream is to drive a Skyline, like the ones I see often on Lake City Way in Seattle, then you need to go to college, get a good paying job, save your dollars and when the time is right, the car will be yours. All you'd have to do is check with the bank, take a one-way down to MotoRex, get the keys to a 100% DOT/EPA/Customs legal Skyline, and drive home. Of course, that would require a life of hard work, dedication, planning ahead, and patience.

Swift_Drift, I don't see an end to this kind of thread. As long as people can't get the car legally, and at a cost close to that of the honda or saturn that they now drive, we'll be forced to put up with the "just swap vins, yo" mentality.

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

SmithSR thanks for the support I appreciate it. I've seen all the legal skylines you are talking about and I've met a couple of the owners (who even allowed me to sit in their car!). Are you on NWN at all? Anyways I was "done" in this thread but people keep sparking my ability to reply interests. I got you on aim now Smith I'll chat with you off the boards next time I see you online

[240SXedUp]

It would be too expensive for ricers to rice a Skyline. The RBs dont fit into their price range

[Toahk]

How about puttting a KA engine in one of these vehicles, then import them.. Legal US engine that will pass emissions correct? You can later swap in the turbo engine after its legalized eh...

[240SXedUp]

Alot of work. Id rather just get it illegally

[makoto3838]

do people not understand what the DOT is??? I dont know a lot about engines, but i have looked into importing a silvia for very long. I'll called DOT, i've called RIs, i've called motorex, i've called DMVs, i've requested papers from nissan japan asking if a RHD version of an S14 would be significantly similar in a crash test but they wont give them out.

you need to crash several cars in order to get the crash test approved...passing emissions....thats easy out here in CA..and probably not that hard everywhere else.. its the DOT that you cannot pass. You can't have a legal car until the DOT says its safe...which they'll never do just cuz u ask nicely.

go ahead and import ur skyline, go ahead and import ur silvia...if u get it legal, thats wonderful, but what Swift_drift is trying to do is a favor. he's warning all of u who think this is a great idea to think twice and look at the obvious. you've been warned by multiple ppl. so go ahead and do what u want now. goodluck

[toki]

Haha dude you need to calm down. I was just throwing the idea out there. You seemed to get a little worked up over all that, I was just asking a question, I didn't mean it to come off as "YEAH WELL I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU NEENER NEENER NEENER" or something. I believe you when you say you've gone over all the regulations many times, and that's why I was asking, because if you had possibly said "yeah that could work" or something, then I would have gone out and read all the **** and researched it in depth myself since someone who knows it well such as yourself recommended it. But, it aint gunna work so there goes my 10 minute dream of a skyline for a year.

[DJ_SpaRky]

Alot of work. Id rather just get it illegally

Word. Same here, since FL has no emmissions testing, they'll never know.

[240SXedUp]

Ya, I wont be here when the atmosphere is so polluted a ray of sun will burn thru metal, so oh well.

[MaineExport]

Ya, I wont be here when the atmosphere is so polluted a ray of sun will burn thru metal, so oh well.

So having that car here in the US would do more environmental damage than having it in Japan?

[krazy skwerel]

I would not buy a nonlegal car. why would you pay 12k for a car that is only good for track use, etc. I understand if that's all it's intended for, but I am not that rich so I much daily drive the car(s) I own.

I have an off-road/race legal only imported 1992 180SX sitting in my driveway...

contradicting? Indeed I think so. Swift do you own this car? If you do I find these two statments very amuzing. If you do not then sorry my bad but I just had to point it out. :batman

[rookiegtr]

just like to throw this in... im a member of another forum, wher tehres a good amount of skylines owner in the US. theres always threads bout importin cars by going thru every loophole possible.. lots of people tried to import gtrs without usin motorex. few people have succeeded, majority has failed. Apparently there use to be an RI in new jersey that did it for half the price of Motorex, but for some reason, cuz of the demand or bringin too much attention to himself, he isnt anymore. but back to the point. swift is right. theres a high risk involved. its been awhile, but i think you have 90 days to conform the car to meet DOT and EPA standards. if you get their approval, customs will let you have ur car. if you dont, you have 30 days to ship it out at YOUR EXPENSE, or else they will crush it. no warning, no questions. 30 days. crushed. that means ur out a couple thousand dollars shippin the car back and forth not to mention you own a car that s not even in the states.

Motorex isnt the only company that LEGALLY imports GTRS though. check out http://www.rbmotoring.com the guy that owns it, i think his name is Sean, use to work at motorex, but left.

[rookiegtr]

theyre not contradictin krazy... you can have a show/race car legally, but you cant drive it more than 5000 miles a year

[240SXedUp]

This is all out of my league anyway. Ill never own one.

[rookiegtr]

last thought... US has these DOT and EPA regulations also to protect the domestic market. imagine what would happen to all the american companies if the public discovered they can buy a better cheaper car made by a japanese company.

[krazy skwerel]

theyre not contradictin krazy... you can have a show/race car legally, but you cant drive it more than 5000 miles a year

How can they not be contadicting? He stated that he would not buy a car for offroad/race use only. then later her states that he indeed has an offroad/race only imported car. Thats why i was saying they contradicted. Now if he doesnt own the 180sx then ignore what i said but going by the information available he contradicted himself. :batman

[240SXedUp]

Haha this thread has gotten out of control. What was the first topic?

[rookiegtr]

my bad my bad krazy.. im just a noob dont rip my nuts off please..i was skimmin instead of readin.. stupidty runs wild in my blood.

moo.

[CA19DET]

well in my neck of the woods you can import your own car directly from japan once it is 5 years or newer, and then you just pay a license fee of x amount ($3000 for 2.0L and lower and $5000 for 2.0L to 3.0L) i guess thats why you can get a R34 GTR for US $40,000 on the road, or a S15 Silvia for $25,000....

allot,of the cars are stolen unfortunately, so INTERPOL comes every now and then and reclaims some poor japs car for them... hehe.

[krazy skwerel]

my bad my bad krazy.. im just a noob dont rip my nuts off please..i was skimmin instead of readin.. stupidty runs wild in my blood.

moo.

No problem man. I wasn't trying to "rip your nuts off" I was just wondering how you saw the situation. :batman

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

sorry krazy I understand what you were saying. Now to explain my situation... I DO own an imported 180sx. I was lied to by the seller/importer (not an RI) that he would give me the necessary paperwork to get the car legal in WA state. However he didn't. All I could do with the paperwork he gave me was make it a legal off-road/race only car. So basically I was screwed because I don't want to give up the car, but I was hoping it could be my legal driver. Anyways I have done all the necessary research, made the right calls so I know about importing a car and if I could go back in time with the knowledge I have now I would not have bought the 180 in the first place. I'm glad there are actually people out there supporting my information and reasoning. Yeah I have contradicted myself saying I wouldn't buy a JDM car even though I own one, but it's a long story so I'm trying to do everyone else a favor by educating them on the LAWS so they don't make the same mistake I have.

[krazy skwerel]

Cool man I was just wondering 'bout your statement. Sucks the seller screwed you like that. Good looking car though. :batman

[Senko]

ok guys perhaps i can help here, as ive looked into "omegaskylines" seeing as my freind wanted to buy that black 96 GT-T they have there infact the only reason its on hold is cuase he had me "send them a request" LOL basicly they are waiting for me and him to pay them, which probly wont happen in the near future.

But back to what i was going to say, here is the lowdown on how omegaskylines works. Omega skylines does not import cars to the US, they import them to canada and then ship them through to the US from there thus they save you money on the shipping cost and port fees, and you dont have to worry about your car being "crushed" the way this works is becuase shippibng to canada is cheaper then shipping to the US, by a lot.

But ok back to the real issue. something people often forget here. The reason motorex is so expensive is becuase they had to spend the money and time to crash test several skylines, and then get them DOT certified. but that is a one time deal that they charge every customer they will ever have for. but Now that the crash test data is there, and open to the public, people like omegaskylines can come in and reap the benefits. becuase they do not have to pay the hefty overhead that omega does, they can lower their initial price significantly.

And if you notice, they do not sell "legal" skylines, though they do have a registered RI that will legalize them for 7 grand, and yes it is a registered RI, and if your wondering the difference in cost, its becuase Motorex's RI had to spend the money for those first few times to figure out what works. but now the information is there. and other RIs, can reap the benfits.

But basicly to make a long story short, Omegaimports and their RI, found a loophole in the shipping agreement with canada (which is why they can give you a 6 month cert) that has to do with a canadian transplant to the us which states "you have 6 months to register your car legally in the US and have all the necessary mods made" and the way they work this is they actually register the cars to their address in canada when they arrive there. this is also the reason your car wont be crushed, becuase it is registered to canada, all you have to do if you cant get it legalized is drive it back to canada, drop it off with the omega skylines address there, and you avoid having it crushed. and you can then wait till you have the 7 grand to get it legalized.

And sense they are piggy backing off the pioneering Motorex and their RIs made with the skyline, they dont pay the hefty overhead, and thus they can charge cheaper prices.

I hope this settles some of the arguments and i hope that this info helps some of you

[SmithSR]

Hey man, I see you're a fairly new member, WELCOME!!!

Now, about your point that people commonly overlook. This issue about MotoRex doing the leg work has been covered many times....in MANY threads. It is not overlooked by anybody except the members who are still in the dreaming phase about sneaking a car over and swapping VINs.

Next, if the "crash test data" is "open to the public" can you please supply me with a link in your next post. This would make for some interesting reading. Last I heard, MotoRex has gone to great lengths to secure the methods/practices and hard data they acquired after running crash tests... Also known as an industry secret. That's how companies maintain exclusivity and make a profit.

If this info is readily available to the public, please prove it with a link to the site containing this information in your next post. THANKS MAN!!