Ok i know i'm new to the board but i want to throw my opinion in as well....
Being a previous supra owner and general Toyota enthusiast(i've had pretty much every "sporty" toyota car made from 88 to 94 with the exception of the later model MR2 and MKIV supra:) ) I have read tons of information on the supra coming back topic. They have ranged from coming back as a v12 mid engine car to a v6 front wheel drive vehicle. Either way "IF" it does come back it wouldn't be the same as the MKIV, it would be a giant step backwards. You can assume this because A) Toyota is all about the bottom line(unlike Nissan and Mazda which feel the need to have a flagship sports car just because it gives pride to the line), B) though the sports car market is picking up steam it is no where near where toyota would consider it beneficial to them, C) Yes you can pay 20k for a 93 Twin Turbo supra but that in no way benefits toyota and they could care less about it because when the car was new and being sold at 60k+ it was hard to move htem off the lots(it is worth every penny though) because no one wants to pay 60k for a Toyota. Look at the last year sales numbers.D) CA emissions as usual kill any possibility of a car having any amount of power. I know it's for a good reason though but people who want performance suffer. Not to mention but CA is a HUGE market for vehicles and if they can't sell an car setup to do emissions in CA they won't try and sell it throughout the rest of the states. This is the reason the supra dropped out of the states in 98. 1998 only NA's were sold in CA, didn't sell much at all, while turbos were sold throughout the rest of the states. Numbers PLUMETTED big time for the turbo sales.E) Most dealers don't know shiz. You'd think they did because Hey it's their product but the fact is that 75% of them couldn't tell you what a Levin or Trueno are and the other 25% would try and sell you on the idea that the MRS is better than the MR2 and that the celica is a sports car.
I could go on and on about the supra but i won't:)
As for the Scion(s). Either you love them or you hate 'em. At first i thought they were ugly as hell but it really grew on me. Especially after seeing them in person. I personally like the xB for daily driving but the xA looks better in aero kits. suspension and engine are the same so I have to base it off of looks:) I'm glad they're killing the echo. No market for it anymore. I was kind of mad they never brought over the vitz(echo hatch) to america because the sedan was extremely blah and generic(though still toyota quality). For economy, they want to push on their hybrid engine technology so if u want great gas mileage get a prius. The xA and xB get decent mileage tho. Even with the xB's boxy non-aero friendly styling. they're in the mid 30's/gallon last i checked. As for performance, I mean come on what do you expect for a 13-14k base price vehicle? If u want something "fast" then you'll have to go with the tC, celica, MRS etc(or my personal favorite bang for buck Dodge Neon SRT-4).
Now the tC is MORE THEN LIKELY going to kill the celica just like how the xA and xB are more than likely going to kill the echo. This decision tho is not because of a push towards hybrid engines or better styling or performance. This decision will be based on sales figures and market pricing. The fact is that the celica GTS, as do most toyota "sports cars", has pretty much priced itself out of the market. For about the same price(24k) or less than a GTS you(Americans) now have the option of choosing the Mazdaspeed Protege, Subaru WRX, Dodge Neon SRT-4, RSX Type-S. All of these cars boast better performance numbers SO performance seekers will of course lean more towards the other vehicles. For a little bit more you have the option of the RX8, 350z, WRX STI and Lancer EVO so why even mess with a GTS. The GT has an economy motor so most people who buy it are for it's aesthetic appearance and even then 18k MSRP is way to high. Now i wouldn't bet the farm that Toyota is going to kill the celica but i would definately say with some certainty that i'm sure they're thinking about it. And if they do they will of course push more on the tC to fill the niche for a relatively cheap "performance car". But we could sit her and guess and play with ideas all day long. Only time will tell:)
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Shoot the Tc looks pretty cool but those boxes? No storage space in the rear. Look at the tiny space behind the rear seat. They coulda put another two feet back there and improved it imensly(sp). If you dweebs are so square as to like the "design" then hell I'll go and invent a triangle Van and a Octogon car. This crap has no real design or imagination. I don't care how cheap it is. If you want gas mileage get a hybrid that has twice the mileage and some "thought" to the design.
PS Administrators should give Karma a bonus of 5 posts for that one
PS Administrators should give Karma a bonus of 5 posts for that one
I think that Scion will do well here. Honestly, I think some people are kinda getting tired of the egg shaped cars and the high prices that cars are selling for nowadays. While these Scions may turn out to just be a "fad", I think it's nice to see a sub $20K car that has nice features and is very practical. I wouldn't mind the XA, my drums would actually fit in it!!! I HATE SUVs, they cost too freakin much and so do trucks. While my 240 is sooooo fun and sexy looking, I would like to have a practical daily driver that looked kinda cool. Hell, the Scions look better than the other crap that Toyota has......have you seen the new Solara?!?!?!?!?!?! The ugliest thing I have ever seen in my life!!! What's with those sloped tail lights anyway????
personaly i like the xB.. and if xA was awd it would be my 2nd choice for a rally car (very simular to pugeot 206 but 4door) and the tC is a poor mans g35 which is kinda wierd cuz toyota already has its car that opposes the 3-5.. i would really want one.. if it was rwd.. is there any new "sporty" car thats rwd ? like the 17-20k-ish range that the 240 used to be in ?
Good lord, I finally saw an Xb on the road and that thing is TINY! Of course, I was in the suburban at the time, but still...its a shoebox on wheels, and it is small. After seeing one in person, I honestly dont know how anybody could ever think that was an attractive car. It looks like it'd have a hard time exceeding 90 with that boxy body design, the drag must be crazy! Not to mention that it is grossly underpowered. Its not even like a nice SUV that has ground clearance, no....this thing couldn't hop a curb even.
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WOOT 2.4L i4 5 speed owns! I just hope theres a non convertible version...
WOOT 2.4L i4 5 speed owns! I just hope theres a non convertible version...
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BOT: The tC will be filled with too much luxury stuff and make it too heavy to be sporty.. it looks too much like a g35, if only it was rwd like it though... although if some one said they were going to buy me a new car but it had to be under 25k.... no it still wouldnt be an option, id get a WRX STi... if it was between 16-18k maybe but it only comes fully loaded..
BOT: The tC will be filled with too much luxury stuff and make it too heavy to be sporty.. it looks too much like a g35, if only it was rwd like it though... although if some one said they were going to buy me a new car but it had to be under 25k.... no it still wouldnt be an option, id get a WRX STi... if it was between 16-18k maybe but it only comes fully loaded..
J-Spec Tuner wrote:The tC doesnt even compare to the Solstice in my opinion. Your comparing a FWD economy car to a RWD 2 seater sports car.
tC is a fwd economy luxury car... glass top + sunrrof + big rims + power everything + leather everything(i think??)
i think its funny that scion's economy sports cars dont have disc brakes all around...