Rb Series Debate

[Rb26d Sileighty]

Ok. Before I Say Anything, Im Only 15 Years Old And Got Into Cars 2 Years Ago So Bare With Me If I Make A Mistake.

Alright. Im Gettin My S13 Hatch In 3 Months And I Dont Want To Do The SR20DET Swap Alot Of People Do. Im Gonna Be Drifting Alot At Competitions And Stuff Like That ( Hopeufully D1 ) But Im Aware That The SR20DET Is A Good Drifting Motor But They Are Too Common For Me. And Dont Worry SR20 People...Im Not Hating On The SR20. But I Really Want An Rb Series Motor And Cant Figure Out Which One Would Be The Best For Drifting Purposes. And I Know That Inorder To Put Any Rb In An S13 Or S14 You Have To Make Custom Motor Mounts And A Custom Crossmember.

Can Someone Please Help Me Out By Telling Me Which One Is Better For Drifting?????

Thanks Alot.

[tlkq]

Why did you capitalize the first letter of every word?

[Joe]

first, get that D1 dream out of your head. you have a LONG way to go before thats even a remote possibility. dont get into drifting wanting to be a pro drifter. 99% chance it isnt gonna happen.

as for what engine is better, thats your own personal choice. they all work and all have their own advantages and disadvantages.

zerothread/135400 - read that thread

and you do not need custom mounts or a custom crossmember to put a RB into a S chassis.

please read the stickies and search.

[Rb26d Sileighty]

because i felt like it

Why did you capitalize the first letter of every word?

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[Rb26d Sileighty]

man this is confusing. people tell me that u have to make custom motor mounts and crossmember. but then others tell me you dont!

THIS IS SO CONFUSING

thanks for that tread tho. it really helped.

[Joe]

it kinda depends on the engine you choose.

[Rb26d Sileighty]

well i was leain towards the Rb26 cuz its just a beast. but thanks for the help.

[lazyboi444]

Ok Hmmm. Well with the 20 you don't necessarily need custom mounts you can use the R32 crossmember with the existing mounts. Not really sure of the RB25 and the RB26 you need custom mounts. Why go RB26 though?

[Rb26d Sileighty]

well thanks lazyboi444 for your support but i want to go rb26 cuz u can get 500hp off stock internals. but idk maybe id go rb25 but then they have those wierd *** injectors.

[Joe]

what the hell are you going to do with 500hp

you dont need 500hp, and you sure as HELL dont have enough driving ability for that much power.

just buy a 240 with a KA24DE, put a diff in it, put some coilovers on it and then learn to drift. get horsepower later.

[lazyboi444]

Oh well Good Luck with Godzilla. And yeah those RB25 have the side feeds.

[Rb26d Sileighty]

well i didnt say i was gonna get 500hp out of it i just used that as suport for why i want an rb26. and yes im gonna get the ka24 and learn how do drift 1st.

[lazyboi444]

Oh well Good Luck with Godzilla. And yeah those RB25 have the side feeds. and Kamin is right going from nothing to sumthing is a little drastic if i would say so myself. Learn to drifting without any power so you develop the techniques and get them done pack. Then go for the power. Cuz trying to drift a 500hp beast will be very hard without any experience at all of drifting.

[Rb26d Sileighty]

Oh well Good Luck with Godzilla. And yeah those RB25 have the side feeds. and Kamin is right going from nothing to sumthing is a little drastic if i would say so myself. Learn to drifting without any power so you develop the techniques and get them done pack. Then go for the power. Cuz trying to drift a 500hp beast will be very hard without any experience at all of drifting.

well i didnt say that i was gonna make it have 500hp i just ment that people have gotten 500hp off stock internals. i never said that i was gonna make 500hp and then go learn how do drift....i probably wouldnt make it over 350 for drifting.

[s13rb28]

well first off all depends on how much your lookin to spend. Rb 26 i a bit more to swap than the rb25 and the rb20 is cheaper to istall than the rb25... rb26 you need rb25 trans but if your lookin for big horsepower rb26 is the best starting point. If could do it again i'd start with rb26 more money to swap but in stock form internals are good to 600hp..... i personally wouldn't push it that far unless you plan on rebuilding but thats just my 2 cents.....i've got a built rb25 capable of 1000hp but i'll only be pushing 600-650hp out of it. And unless you've got an *** load of money or your parents got really deep pockets you can forget that for now. best of luck either route you chose.

[Rb26d Sileighty]

thanks alot for the response. yeah the rb26 is alot more but my dad died 2 years ago and he left me 34000 when i turn 18 so i have alot of posiblities. but ill see what happens.

[s13rb28]

sorry to hear that. Best of luck

[Rb26d Sileighty]

thanks alot.

[lazyboi444]

Sorry to hear that. Well Good luck with the RB26 and drifting. Welcome to the RB side of the world lol.

[Rb26d Sileighty]

lol thanks. the rb side of life is.................faster. lol

[S14-NEO]

dont hate on all the RB25's..the NEO RB25 is the closest thing to the RB26..and it uses the same style injectors as the RB26...just a thought..its what im running and i am very happy with it thus far.

[Carl H]

here is some good advice....dont spend that 34k on a car.if you do then it will be the most retarded thing you can ever do, period.invest the money, set some aside for school and set some aside for retirement.put some into some kind of investment fund and use the interest for little things here and there but seriously dont spend that much money on a car you will regret it to no end.

[NightKids2]

This is just my opinion, so take it for what its worth.

If I do another S chassis swap it will be an LS1 swap and heres why:

1.) For cheaper than an RB26 clip you can get an LS1 V8 motor set with a 6 speed transmission you can actually use without having to drop a small fortune on a R34 transmission and then have to hack it up and weld it and hope it holds.

2.) The LS1 has 350 hp completely stock, reliable power compared to the RB26's 280 hp with known issues such as the crank collar in the early years (I know this isn't a huge issue, definitely not knocking the 26 just giving examples).

3.) Odds are you can find an LS1 with lower miles. The motors are newer and haven't been sitting in cars in a junk yard in Japan for who knows how long, shipped over here, cut in half, then it might be sold to you by a place like I got mine from that told me they would drain all the fluids, which they did NOT do and the numbers for their compression test were more than likely pulled out of their hind ends cause I can see no evidence they tried to remove the intake or plug cover at all. And pray to God you got ALL of your harnesses not cut in the wrong places cause I've never seen anyone have a spare one laying around to sell in four years...

4.) Any after market or replaced parts will be nearly a fourth of the cost of the RB motors. Say your starter goes on your RB25, unless you luck out and know someone parting out a motor or something your pretty much screwed.. if you CAN find one it going to cost an arm and a leg. For the V8? You can go to Autozone and have one the next day for half the cost.

5.) When you have an RB, you hear people dog you all day long about how you "messed up your weight distribution" and how it can "never be used for anything but drag now". Of course that isn't true... but still if anyone wants to say that about an LS1 engine I can point out that it weighs even LESS than the KA24DE and makes more than twice the power, and still gets damn near 30 mpg (all fact).

6.) More after market, and lots more.

7.) You drop about 10k getting it all said any done maybe more maybe less, and you have a car that can STOMP the cars that cost 3 times as much that the motor came from.

8.) To my knowledge there are ways to keep A/C if you want it, which at least at the time I did my RB25 swap was unheard of. I dunno if anyones found a way to do it now.

Thats just a few I can come up with. I'm sure some "cons" of the swap will be having a bastard car from Japan with an American motor. If it HAD to be another maker than Nissan I would go Domestic all the way, rather than throw a 2JZ in it or something like that. Thats about the only con I can think of, I don't even think you'll have a problem passing emissions with an engine already built around the US's emission standards. I love being different as much as anyone, but some where along the line I figured that 85 dollars is too much money to pay for a thermostat.

Just my opinion.... Wanna buy my RB25? =)

[NightKids2]

Oh and also, my best friends father died when he was in high school an left him a little bit of money. He was going to take it all and blow it on the new (then) EVO 8. However, another family tragedy struck and he had to use a lot of his money to keep his baby sister alive, and that got him thinking smarter with is money. He took it and invested it in everything he could. Started out small, bought an RX-7 for 8k and turned around and sold it for 13. People said he was stupid for selling it... He went from they're in to minor real estate, advertising, FOREX, he has his hand in more stuff than any of us know. He will be 22 next month, hes now the owner of his second company, and last time I checked he has a net worth of over 100,000 dollars after all the assets are divided up.

His philosophy is to work hard now and when hes 28 and retired he will have plenty of time to and money to spend on cars and things like that.

[Rb26d Sileighty]

yeah night kids i was thinkin that also. my bro had an 2001 WS6 trans am with an LS1 and it was a really nice motor. thanks for the advice.

[Rb26d Sileighty]

here is some good advice....dont spend that 34k on a car.if you do then it will be the most retarded thing you can ever do, period.invest the money, set some aside for school and set some aside for retirement.put some into some kind of investment fund and use the interest for little things here and there but seriously dont spend that much money on a car you will regret it to no end.

umm...i didnt say i was gonna spend it ALL on a car. i said i had that much so i could do something like an rb26 or even possibly an LS1 without being broke.

[Rb26d Sileighty]

S14-Neo....thanks for your advice 1st of all. second i was thinkin the neo but dont really know too much about the. all i know is they have VVT and are a low emisions motor. if you could follow up with some specs and how much it was that would be greatly appreciated.

[Rb26d Sileighty]

Oh and also, my best friends father died when he was in high school an left him a little bit of money. He was going to take it all and blow it on the new (then) EVO 8. However, another family tragedy struck and he had to use a lot of his money to keep his baby sister alive, and that got him thinking smarter with is money. He took it and invested it in everything he could. Started out small, bought an RX-7 for 8k and turned around and sold it for 13. People said he was stupid for selling it... He went from they're in to minor real estate, advertising, FOREX, he has his hand in more stuff than any of us know. He will be 22 next month, hes now the owner of his second company, and last time I checked he has a net worth of over 100,000 dollars after all the assets are divided up.

His philosophy is to work hard now and when hes 28 and retired he will have plenty of time to and money to spend on cars and things like that.

O..........M..........G

that is freakin insane dude.

[DriftingisLame]

RB20, you wont be dissapointed with the power, and it will probably be least likely to kill you. Do the motor that fits your budget, which will likely be the RB20.. Replace all your gaskets. I understand the headgasket might be kind of overkill, but definately the intake plenum/manifold gasket (I lost a motor to this gasket), exhaust manifold gasket, Throttle body gasket... Also, water pump and timing belt/tensioners are important, as well as a thermostat and as many rubber hoses as you can.

All this might seem like a lot of work with the motor out of the car, just itching to go in the bay.. but trust me, when any of these things fail, replacing them in the car is 100x worse.. Or even worse than that you could loose a motor.

Do it right the first time, do it smart, and be patient.

Rb20's bolt up using the skyline crossmember, and then use a stock 5 speed driveshaft, and I think the transmission will mount up with the s13 automatic transmission mount, but I could be wrong.

All that aside, if you're still learning how to drive, do brakes and suspension, and maybe a set of sticky tires in the front (since we all know you're going to drift off the rears), learn how to drive your car before you get dreams of big horsepower..

[DriftingisLame]

I just read the rest of your thread.

$4,000 Goes to an RB20 swap done correctly (honestly, do you know how fast you will be at age 16 with 220 whp?).

$30,000 Goes into a certificate of deposite, or some other form of investment.

Pay for the rest by working, Follow that and you cant loose...

Good luck