Raced 350z in the 240 last night

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

last night i saw my friends parked talking to a kid in a 350z. i went over there and talked to him and he asked if i wanted to race. i said hell no. he had an injen intake on it. it wasnt the track model. then i found out it was an auto so i said what the hell, ill race. i didnt really care if i lost to a z. so we went to an open road. my start sucked *** because it was cold out and i burned through 1st and a little in 2nd. so he had me by about 4 car lengths off the start. but when i got going he never pulled on me. we raced till about 90. we were going to race again because of my start but there were cars coming so we left. while we were driving, we wereon a 4 lane rd. side by side. my friend was in the z and and he yelled to punch it. we were both going arond 25. so i downshift to 2nd and we take off at the same time. i pulled about a car length ahead in 2nd then i shifted to 3rd and he was pulling up next to me and right before i shifted to 4th he had me by about 1/2 car length then we stopped. i was pretty impressed that i actually hung with him even though it was an auto, its still a 350z.

Post by **Nebraska240sx** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

mmm not bad yet do you remember not to do this on the street?

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

Nebraska240sx wrote:mmm not bad yet do you remember not to do this on the street?

well i rarely street race especially after my last reckless driving ticket, but this was on the most deserted road in the city. not a house our anything for miles. just straight and flat with fields on both sides. we could see a car coming from miles away.

Post by **S15_silvia** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

the autos are the tip tronic shifting too which isnt bad and the track model is lighter and all that stuff they are nice i wanted to get one but i prolly wont

Post by **Anand** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

I want one and I will get one but I am Loving the new roadster they are coming out with..hmmm... by the time I'm ready to buy one (couple years) the roadster will be at a fair price... =)

Post by **FrEaK** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

Thats a crock...

I've driven that car and a couple G's and they would run you for sure... even if you have a regualr SR that car would eat you, regardless of the transmission... if you really raced that car, it would have you by 3 bus lengths by the time your done...

I've driven both so i'd know... there's no way your car could even compete...

Dorry but thats BS

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

FrEaK wrote:Thats a crock...

I've driven that car and a couple G's and they would run you for sure... even if you have a regualr SR that car would eat you, regardless of the transmission... if you really raced that car, it would have you by 3 bus lengths by the time your done...

I've driven both so i'd know... there's no way your car could even compete...

Dorry but thats BS

yea ive driven them too considering i work at nissan dealership. never driven an auto though, only 6speeds and i know thoughs are damn fast and would kill me. thats why i was surprised. i wouldnt think an auto would be much different. this one was the base model and an auto. and i didnt say i beat him or anything, i just said i was hanging with it for a while.

Post by **sixxdeuce** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

you really think a auto 350z would beat an 5 speed 240 with an sr by 3 bus lengths? Im not saying your wrong, just suprised. I would think the lighter weight and manual transmission would make it a closer race

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

yea after i raced him, i know a 240 w sr20 and a few mods would beat an auto z.

Post by **SRdS14** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

HOLD UP HOLD UP!!!!

what do u mean a 350 would smoke an SR?? dude, get ur **** straight. i HAVE raced a 5 Spd 350Z...and i walked the FRIKKEN dog on him...maybe i'm just misunderstanding the "regular sr" comment. i'm sorry if i am misunderstanding it. i might have more than stock, but from my standpoint, i beat the hell out of him...he was way behind me.

not that i condone streetracing...but this guy was a d--k, so he suffered the consequences.

Scott

Post by **jEzTeR** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

SRdS14 wrote:HOLD UP HOLD UP!!!!

what do u mean a 350 would smoke an SR?? dude, get ur **** straight. i HAVE raced a 5 Spd 350Z...and i walked the FRIKKEN dog on him...maybe i'm just misunderstanding the "regular sr" comment. i'm sorry if i am misunderstanding it. i might have more than stock, but from my standpoint, i beat the hell out of him...he was way behind me.

not that i condone streetracing...but this guy was a d--k, so he suffered the consequences.

Scott

5 speed???? I thought the manual transmission in the 350z only came with the 6-speed??The 350z has "287hp" the SR20DET can make that and more if tuned the right way.Id like to re-state the fact that all racing should be done on the track.

Post by **SRdS14** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

jezter...oops, i'm used to talkin about my 5 spd. SIX SPEED.

yes streetracing is a bunch off BS that will get u in trouble.

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

they are 6 speeds and even though the z makes 287hp it weighs a lot more than the 240.

Post by **themadscientist** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

I'm just waiting to catch one at a light, we will see. I really think Thumper has the chops to give a new Z a nice sustained view of Skyline taillights.:bshake

Post by **FrEaK** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

Why is it that people assum that if your driving an auto your times drop like 3 seconds in the 1/4...

Regardless of whether it's an auto, it would stomp even a mildly modded KA by alot... thats the main point I'm making... and i don't beleive for a second that you even came close.... it doesn't make sense with the kinda of power, torque and top speed that car has....

You car maxes out way before his unless your chipped... get me a video and then maybe I'll shut up... but i would expect him to beat you by more than 1/2 a car on the fly...

For all you SR protectors... your right an SR modded up quite a bit can take that car... with good tuning.... a STOCK sr would get beaten by the 350z... unless he can't drive...

If were talking an SR modded to 250 - 300 hp... then obviously it going to depend more on the driver and the weight factor...

but if you try to tell me an SR with an intake, exhaust, and the boost turned up a little is going take that car... i'll laught at you....

SRds14... if your stock and you "walked" on him you better check yourself and see whether he was racing or not... 200hp in a 2700 pound car vs 290 in a 3200 pound car... forget it...

Post by **themadscientist** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

I don't understand the auto hatred either, depending on what gearing is between an auto and manual model it could be faster and always more consistent than rowing through the gears manually. I keep blowing out first gear on the autos I drive. I wonder if the 5000 rpm neutral drops have something to do with it:thinker naaaaa!

Post by **FrEaK** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

Hmmm... it's the cars fault

Post by **Gregariousgreg** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

Don't they make a 5-speed and a 6-speed 350z? Not sure but I remember the base model being a 5 and the enthusiest and higher models being a 6.

Post by **Zebrahead** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

sixxdeuce wrote:you really think a auto 350z would beat an 5 speed 240 with an sr by 3 bus lengths? Im not saying your wrong, just suprised. I would think the lighter weight and manual transmission would make it a closer race

It would. SRs run mid 14s in stock form, and teh 350z runs a 14 flat. That's not three busloads, but it would most definitely win. THere's also much more room for error when driving a stick, i.e. missing shifts, double clutching incorrectly, etc.

Nick.

Post by **Phax** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

Let me apologize in advance for commenting on the auto vs manual, in what should be a 240 vs 350 thread.

When it comes to drag racing, you're almost always better off with a well built auto as opposed to a stick. By well built auto, I mean reworked with better gear ratios, crisper shifts, and re-enforced internals. My buddy has a ~550whp Supra with an auto, and consistently puts down low 13s / high 12s at the strip.

As someone else mentioned, there is a lot less room for error with an automatic. Personally I prefer manual transmissions for racing, because I'm not cool with the car deciding when it wants to downshift or upshift.

Post by **C-Kwik** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

Gregariousgreg wrote:Don't they make a 5-speed and a 6-speed 350z?

Yes they do. The auto is a 5 speed. The manual is a 6 speed. But all of the 350Z autos are 5 speed and all of the manuals are 6 speed.

As far as a stock Z versus a Stock SR powered 240, lets do a comparison.

The heaviest Auto transmission 350Z is 3239 lbs. Add a 150 lb driver and you have 3389 lbs. Now for arguments sake, lets take a S15. 2799 lbs, and with driver, 2949lbs. The Z will have a 11.81 power to weight ratio with it's 287 HP. The S15 will have a 11.84 power to weight ratio. Being that the Z has an auto transmission, perhaps it might transmit less power to the ground. Oh, but wait. The S15 makes almost 50 more HP than most other SR's. Put that into perspective along with the fact that the power to weight ratio is probably one of the easiest ways to determine how fast a car can accelerate and you have your answer. Another thing to keep in mind is that the more power you have, the less difference there is in speed between a manual and auto. As long as they don't slip.

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

Zebrahead wrote:It would. SRs run mid 14s in stock form, and teh 350z runs a 14 flat. That's not three busloads, but it would most definitely win. THere's also much more room for error when driving a stick, i.e. missing shifts, double clutching incorrectly, etc.

Nick.

Double clutching?? nobody should have to double clutch their car in a race unless your syncros are bad. thats a thing with old cars before they had syncros.

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

i also agree about the thing with auto trans. for drag racing if they are properly built for it, otherwise, in stock form a manual with a good driver will always be faster than an auto, no matter what. and the 14 flat time listed for the z was probably for the 6 speed manual, the auto would be a little slower.

Post by **SRdS14** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

freak...i'm definitely not stock. and i definitely took him.

Post by **Former_240_s14** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

Hey I got an idea of why he didnt stomp on you.......

he must of had he e-brake on still :rolleyes

seriously though, a new Z, even auto, will destroy a mild moded ka. PERIOD!!!!

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

ok, ok, im sorry if i sounded like i beat him, im just saying that he didnt kill me like i thought he would and when we took off going 25 he didnt take off much faster than i did. im sure in a real race he would have beat me by 5 or 6 car lengths though. it seemed like he really started pulling on me when i was in 3rd and 4th gear, but in 1st and 2nd i was real close.

Post by **themadscientist** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

having walked a GTS-T (215hp turbo 2 liter) with a Silvia Q(150hp NA 1.8 liter) like a dog.And reeling in a supposedly worked Silvia K(200hp turbo 1.8 liter) with a Levin 20 valve(160hp NA 1.6 liter) before pulling away from it.And straight dragging a full custom stroker turbo motored Miata(supposedly 300hp) with a slipping automatic equipped 250hp Skyline for over a mile from a stop I can confidently say,

You weren't there, you don't know, neither was I. It may have happened, anything is possible, I have beaten cars that I supposedly couldn't using handy dandy benchracing formulas such as the ones above.Drag racing does not consist of two guys pulling their cars onto a scale for a weigh in and then a dyno for a power check followed by some quick formulas to declare the winner.Things happen; tires break loose, trannys cough up their guts, hoses pop off, shifts are missed, dogs crash into intercoolers(seen it, luckily it was't mine!)"that's racing" Good kill, I have no reason to doubt you unless sombody has a video of him losing to the Z get off the man's jock already.:rolleyes

Post by **Former_240_s14** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

Hey know.......I was only messin around there themadscientist, just a lil humor for our forums. No offense ment. : )

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

thanks Themadscientist!

Post by **themadscientist** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:10 am

no I wasn't directing that at anybody specific, just ranting. I've actually seen that E-brake thing happen:rotflmao

Raced 350z in the 240 last night

Raced 350z in the 240 last night

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