Quick questions about rims guys!

[mcheddadi]

Guys, I'm about to get some 19 inch right now, I need some quick help on the tire size.

if I go with 245/35/19 tires on my future 19 inch rims, will the overall tire+rim be smaller than my stock 215/55/17 wheels?!!

I want to fill my wheel well up with my new rims, and I thought that by going with bigger 19 inch wheels and some nice low profile tires, my wheel well would be better filled...

I went on the tire size calculator and this is what it said:

Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference 215/55-17 4.7" 13.2" 26.3" 82.7" 245/35-19 3.4" 12.9" 25.8" 80.9"

so my overall diameter will be less than the original wheel?!! WTF?!

will I be forced to buy some eibach springs? , not that I don't like the springs, but the rims and tires are already going to be expensive

[TheBourneAltimatum]

here what you want is 245/40/19 or even better 235/40/19 (but the tires are $300 a peice )goto tire-easy.com they have the best tire prices period

[mcheddadi]

here what you want is 245/40/19 or even better 235/40/19 (but the tires are $300 a peice )goto tire-easy.com they have the best tire prices period

300$ a piece!?!

the 245/35/19 I was checking are only110$ each

[TheBourneAltimatum]

300$ a piece!?!

the 245/35/19 I was checking are only110$ each

35 is too low of profile for 19's. but if you insist on getting a 35mm profile go 255/35/19. it'll fit great and its cheap. and you'll only be off by 1%

[johnny_d]

the perfect tire sized for 19s is 235/40/19, however, when I tried to order, Falken doesn't even make that size. So i had to settle for 245/40/19 because 245/35/19 would be much cheaper but it's smaller than stock and would make a hugeeeee wheel gap

[mcheddadi]

the perfect tire sized for 19s is 235/40/19, however, when I tried to order, Falken doesn't even make that size. So i had to settle for 245/40/19 because 245/35/19 would be much cheaper but it's smaller than stock and would make a hugeeeee wheel gap

there seem to be a wierd problem guys, look:here the 245/35/19 seems way too small for the wheel well:





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but here it seems like perfect size:

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both are 245/35/19 size!

[blancs3030]

Yea I noticed that too when I saw his pics. His camera gave way better pics then mine did and he also has a better brand of tires then mine. I dunno I can't really remember If I had a full tank of gas or not. I don't even notice anymore, I just love the fact that I don't have the ugly stockers anymore.

[mcheddadi]

Yea I noticed that too when I saw his pics. His camera gave way better pics then mine did and he also has a better brand of tires then mine.

Overinflated tires maybe?

[blancs3030]

they kinda do look like in one pic. I'll try to take some more pics tomorrow where I have more space, our driveway was packed that day and I wasn't able to get a good angle. This pic doesn't look to bad though

lol notice the one man keg in the back

[mcheddadi]

Arrr! total cost with everything shipped to my house is 937.90 for 245/40/19 (half an inch bigger diameter than my stocks) and for 245/35/19 (half an inch smaller diameter than stocks) it's 639.86$, so about 300$ difference. The eibach springs with shipping to canada then duty and all the taxes crap would be about 300$...that's without installation problems..

I too could alway go with 255/40-19 (0.7 inch bigger diameter than stocks) since they are almost the same price (944.60$) as the 245/35/19, but I don't know if 255 fits my 19x8.5 rims or wheel well...

so I guess my final choice is this:

1) 245/35/19 tires at 639.86$ (plus maybe the eibach springs ~300$)2) 245/40/19 tires at 937.90$ without springs3) 255/40-19 tires at 944.60$ without springs (don't know if fits..., but would fill more the wheel well than #2)
Modified by mcheddadi at 1:15 AM 2/17/2008

[TheBourneAltimatum]

if they are 8.5 i think 255 will fit but i am not sure. but hold on before making decisions. did you buy your rims yet? if you didnt i would switch to 18's so you can get better tires. remember, you don't wanna go cheap with tires. it's the only thing touching the ground. you want to get some good ones that can handle your turbo lol. 35mm profile is too low and the ride will be harsh.

[mcheddadi]

if they are 8.5 i think 255 will fit but i am not sure. but hold on before making decisions. did you buy your rims yet? if you didnt i would switch to 18's so you can get better tires. remember, you don't wanna go cheap with tires. it's the only thing touching the ground. you want to get some good ones that can handle your turbo lol. 35mm profile is too low and the ride will be harsh.

I really want 19inch rims. 18inch I had before on my 04 maxima. My final decision is going to be made today (sunday) on rims and tires. So you're saying 35mm whould be too harsh? anyone with 35mm profile and 19rims can confirm on that?

man such hard decisions ...

[rj alty 07]

I like those rims

[windhaven]

I can confirm the fitment, I have 245/35/19 on 19x8.5+45 OS. The tires are too small, a move to 40 plus a Eibach drop would still fit easily. I'd even suggest a 255/40, the 255's will definitely fit and give you a couple mm more on the height adj. I have springs on the way.

-- Wind

[rjdmmfl1]

35mm profile is too low and the ride will be harsh.

it's not a 35mm profile.... the 35 represents the height of the sidewall as a % of the width of the tire.... so 245/35/19 means the sidewall is 35% of 245mm, or 24.5 x .35 or 8.575 cm... then, 8.575/2.54 = 3.375" so each side wall becomes 3.375 inches.... when multiplied x 2 that gives 6.75" + the diameter of the wheel (19") gives you the total tire diameter of 25.75" ...

don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence on what all the numbers mean, but its a bit inaccurate to keep saying 35mm profile!

[windhaven]

it's not a 35mm profile.... the 35 represents the height of the sidewall as a % of the width of the tire.... so 245/35/19 means the sidewall is 35% of 245mm, or 24.5 x .35 or 8.575 cm... then, 8.575/2.54 = 3.375" so each side wall becomes 3.375 inches.... when multiplied x 2 that gives 6.75" + the diameter of the wheel (19") gives you the total tire diameter of 25.75" ...

don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence on what all the numbers mean, but its a bit inaccurate to keep saying 35mm profile!

Yes, hence my suggestion on a slightly wider tire, Not only would I go to a 40 or 45, but get a bit wider to expand that gain.

But, the bottom line would be to get the tire width (Wheel and Tire) as close to stock as possible without a rub issue.

-- Wind

[windhaven]

BTW - If you do a little searching you'll find prices in the 160 range for 19" tires. Don't get stuck believing that you have to have a guaranteed $300 per tire bill with 19's.

20's may still be more available, but in general tires are like gas, it's a supply and demand thing, IMHO.

-- Wind

[rjdmmfl1]

went to tirerack.com

@245/40/19, El cheapo Kumho was the only one at $160, everything else was about $200+, and that's before mounting and balancing!@ 235/40/19 (Ideal stock diameter) cheapest was $251@255/40/19 cheapest was $200+ (other than Kumho)

@245/35/19 ... Great selection, but 1" smaller than stock, not good!@255/35/19, cheapest was $220+ (other than Kumho)

So, after doing research, if you want 19" wheels, you have the choice of either getting less expensive tires that are too small for the car's setup (245/35/19), but good quality, getting better quality tires at the correct size for more money 250+ per tire, or getting some cheap tires!

If your goal is to get the exact factory specs of 26.3" tire diameter (a feat that you can do with 19" wheels, but can NOT do with 20" wheels), the correct aspect ratio is a 40 series tire, specifically 235/40/19, and those will run you about $300 installed!

In fact, if you want to get any 40 series tire at 19", and don't want the cheapest, worst performing tires on the market (i.e. Kuhmo ecstas) then you will pay a minimum of $250 out the door, per tire, if you get a flat and have to get a tire at the last second!

What is not a bad idea to do, however, is to just order an extra tire at a good price off of ebay and keep it in storage, or take out the spare tire/wheel, and put the extra tire in the space where the spare was at.


Modified by rjdmmfl1 at 8:02 AM 2/17/2008

[team_work]

for those of you who have changed your rims...what are the size of the lug nuts we use on the coupe 3.5???

[rjdmmfl1]

I'm pretty sure all Nissans use 12 x 1.25mm

[team_work]

oh ok...wondering cuz i have some muteki lug nuts that i was going to use on my old civic i sold and was hoping they would fit on the altima but they are 12x1.5

[windhaven]

All good research .....

BTW - That's why I went the 35 route, $110 a tire was hard to argue with, and since i'm not racing, it's an easy decision.

--Wind

[mcheddadi]

All good research .....

BTW - That's why I went the 35 route, $110 a tire was hard to argue with, and since i'm not racing, it's an easy decision.

--Wind

I Just ordered my rims in 19x8.5 size! They are gorgeous rims! I'll receive them in April since it's special ordered.

Now for the tires, I haven't yet made my decision. I really think 110$ per tire is a great price, but they are kinda slim...I might order the springs...but those seem a lot more complicated and time consuming to install...maybe if I'm lucky tirerack will have a special sale before april for some 40mm profile tires

[windhaven]

Building on RJD's comments, here are some more prices out there, it just took a bit of looking:

RJD, were you looking mainly at TireRack?

BTW - A little time on the internet resulted in the following prices, no accounting for the quality of these tires, didn't want to spend all day determining a certain quality:

245/40-19Falken F-452: $159 - $222, WheelsNext, EdgeRacing, OnlineTires, HighPerformanceTireHankook Ventus Sport K104 - $139 - $ 181 WheelsNext, Edge Racing, OnlineTires.comNakang NSII - $153 WheelsNextPirelli PZero Rosso - $ 413 (OMG! - Threw this in for those with deep pockets) WheelsNextToyo Proxes T1R - $ 195 - $268 WheelsNext, Edge Racing, OnlineTires.comYokohama S-Drive: $222 DiscountTireBridgestone RE050: $227 OnlineTires.comHankook Ventus S1 Evo: $190 OnlineTires.comNitto Invo: $203 OnlineTires.comFederal ss-595: $139 OnlineTires.com (Hell, why not throw an unknown in there)

I guess my point from earlier was, don't make a rash decision based on a blanket number (i.e. expect $300 a tire....). There are opportunities out there if you're willing to take the time to research and look for the prices (Evidence above).

Should you expect $110 a tire, in general no, but there are close outs out there that happen....

Should you plan on paying $300 a tire, definitely not, unless you absolutely have to have a high end brand name (like Pirelli, Dunlop) or a High-End Wannabe (like BFG, Bridgestone). Not that i'm bagging on those companies, but the price of their tires have more to do with the size of their company and the way it's run that it does with the real differentiation or output of their tires.

I run General Exclaim UHP in my size, got them for $110/tire (Before Mount & balance) , and frankly, they are some of the best tires i've ever had (Two cents). And, they are GENERAL Tires (Not Falkens, Pirelli's, etc.)

My suggestion is don't be rash, and don't believe for a second that in order to have performance you need a specific name (A lot of what is out there is marketing .... ). BTW - if you want to spend lots of money go to 1010tires.com, superbuytires.com, they are way over the top in general......

So, you make the decision, I suggest haste makes waste.

[windhaven]

I Just ordered my rims in 19x8.5 size! They are gorgeous rims! I'll receive them in April since it's special ordered.

Now for the tires, I haven't yet made my decision. I really think 110$ per tire is a great price, but they are kinda slim...I might order the springs...but those seem a lot more complicated and time consuming to install...maybe if I'm lucky tirerack will have a special sale before april for some 40mm profile tires

I'd venture to guess that even if you go with 245/40 a drop will be something you eventually want. I did a couple measurements assuming a 1.5" drop up front and a 1" drop in the back courtesy of Eibach, matched with an increase of 13+/-mm due to the 35 --> 40 profile uptick. Didn't look like there would be any problems on the combination. When my 35's wear out, i'll be looking to move to 40's, luckily the Eibachs will be in prior to that event.

FYI,-- Wind

[mcheddadi]

I found on NextWheels a somewhat good looking deal for 245/40/R19 NANKANG NSII tires, the 4 shipped free to my house for 612.00$

then you add about 200$ for:

GST tax (~$35), PST tax (~$55) Duty (~$45)Provincial Tire Fee (~$12.00)and finally the Brokerage Fee(~50.00-30.00$)

so 800$ ...It seems like a nice deal

my other options it the ~940$ set of Khumo 245/40/R19 that rjdmmfl1 called el cheapo lol.

windhaven or rjdmmfl1 or anyone else, what whould you choose between 245/45ZR19 Kumho Ecsta SPT and 45/40/R19 NANKANG NSII tires?

[rjdmmfl1]

I'd venture to guess that even if you go with 245/40 a drop will be something you eventually want. I did a couple measurements assuming a 1.5" drop up front and a 1" drop in the back courtesy of Eibach, matched with an increase of 13+/-mm due to the 35 --> 40 profile uptick. Didn't look like there would be any problems on the combination. When my 35's wear out, i'll be looking to move to 40's, luckily the Eibachs will be in prior to that event.

FYI,-- Wind

that's good research windhaven... you shouldn't have to do all the hard work though! make these guys search for wheels!

as I said in the beginning, between ebay and the net, you can find some GREAT prices on 19" wheels, no doubt, the problem comes when having to get an emergency tire from somewhere like firestone... they DO NOT offer many of these brands you mention, frmo the popular ones to the less popular ones. Even when I went to firsetone to inquire about 245/35/20's, the cheapest they could get from the ones they offer was like $260 / tire..

that's why I suggested that folks do what you did, and do some good research, and get an extra tire just in case!

In the end, the biggest hurdle folks run into when trying to get 19" wheels is just that, the limited selection of wheels. You (windhaven) have already overcome that hurdle by finding a nice looking set that you like, but the selection is still limited for everyone else. But I agreee, you shouldn't HAVE or EXPECT to pay $300 per wheel, unless you get into an emergency situation and have to go to a tire shop and get the wheel replaced. In that scenario, I do think the limited selection of 40 profile 19" tires will factor into a higher price paid at the register.

[TheBourneAltimatum]

the n

I found on NextWheels a somewhat good looking deal for 245/40/R19 NANKANG NSII tires, the 4 shipped free to my house for 612.00$

then you add about 200$ for:

GST tax (~$35), PST tax (~$55) Duty (~$45)Provincial Tire Fee (~$12.00)and finally the Brokerage Fee(~50.00-30.00$)

so 800$ ...It seems like a nice deal

my other options it the ~940$ set of Khumo 245/40/R19 that rjdmmfl1 called el cheapo lol.

windhaven or rjdmmfl1 or anyone else, what whould you choose between 245/45ZR19 Kumho Ecsta SPT and 45/40/R19 NANKANG NSII tires?

ankang NS-II have a lower rated tire. i think the OEM turanza's are rated at 150 mph. but the nankang are rated at 130mph and they are summer tires. dont go cheap on tires. and especially where you live you dont want to get ****ty summer tires

[rjdmmfl1]

the nankang NS-II have a lower rated tire. i think the OEM turanza's are rated at 150 mph. but the nankang are rated at 130mph and they are summer tires. dont go cheap on tires. and especially where you live you dont want to get ****ty summer tires

dude, what are you talking about...lower rated tire??? that's just completely inaccurate.... the 19" and 20" NANKANG NS-II tires are Z rated tires... and as anyone knows, anything with a Z rating may actually have a higher speed rating, but back when the speed rating were initialy done, 99% of vehicles could not reach speeds over 149 mph so there was no need to create a higher rating... that changed in the decades to come

as far as the UTQG rating, those are only good for comaring tires from the same company, there is no industry standard of comparison... the Nankang-NSII (not the NS-I) is a pretty darn good tire!

Also, the Nankag NS-Ii is an ULTRA HIGH PERFORMANCE SUMMER TIRE... the only thing correct in your statement is that they are only good for wet and dry weather, not snow, mud, and ice so this would NOT be a good tire for mcheddadi

No offense, but you may be a bit out of your area of expertise here, especially since you were using incorrect jargon like "35mm profile"

****correction*** the 19 and 20 Nankang NS-II's are Y rated, up to 186mph....
Modified by rjdmmfl1 at 9:02 PM 2/17/2008

[TheBourneAltimatum]

i looked at nankang and it said it was H rated. which is 130mph. maybe they changed it.