Questionable Poll, What do you say?

[sndtgr08]

If you and your girlfriend/boyfriend were cruisin in your car, and you put in a new CD you just got. It sounds good on your system and you both are tapping your feet and bobbing your heads. Your mate looks at you and says "Thats awesome honey! Burn me one for my car please!"
What do you say?

A) "Sure thing love, I thought you might like this."

B) "No. But I will buy you your own."

C) "Get out of my car! You think I am going to help you STEAL!?

Poll Closed. Results on page 2.

[Encryptshun]

This is a trick question, as it is predicated on her being outside the kitchen.

[sndtgr08]

Nope not a trick question. Just answer as if you were in that situation

[Jesda]

This is a trick question, as it is predicated on her being outside the kitchen.

[Razi]

But...I don't listen to CDs anymore.

[sndtgr08]

But...I don't listen to CDs anymore.

Who does?

Thats why this question is hypothetical

[Encryptshun]

You could let her/him borrow your CD. Then whatever s/he decides to do with it is her business. Otherwise, the right thing to do would be to buy a copy for her/him.

I'm pretty much a stick-in-the-mud when it comes to pirating media (and make no mistake, your option "A" IS pirating media). If I go to work, I get paid for it. If I feel I'm not adequately compensated, I either negotiate for more money or I go somewhere else where the pay is better. Musicians and musical artists/performers should be able to exercise those same options. But if their work doesn't make any money for the record company (say, for instance, because their fans pirate their music instead of buying it), then they don't have any negotiating power to increase their own share and decrease the publisher's share.

Make sense?

[sndtgr08]

Make sense?

Media piracy cannot end or the entertainment industry will crash. They have been recycling stories since the first cave man started telling them.

Make your money. Move on. Dont hand me this copywrite shyt and tell me my mom cant have her cancer meds cus the cheap india and china clones cant be made and some bazillion dollor med company pumps them out at a penny a piece and sells them for $10,000-$14,000 each.

Make sense? Yes, it makes perfect sense. Its called Monopoly. Some have it. Some dont. Is it legal? Any thing is legal with enough money. Monopoly = Money. Money = make your own rules.

Make sense?

[Jesda]

Is it illegal? Oh yes.
Is it wrong? Not enough for me to care.

If I really like an artist and care for their success, I'll buy a ticket and see them perform live. Much more fun than hearing them on a disco compacto. It's impractical/impossible to control the distribution of information when it moves around like oxygen and water.

The business model is obsolete.

[sndtgr08]

It's impractical/impossible to control the distribution of information when it moves around like oxygen and water.

Thats the most deep, intelligent and beautiful statement I have read/heard in a while. I am going to quote you on that elseware. But I am telling you now, I AM NOT PAYING FOR IT!

And you never know, maybe you will read it in some other forum 5 years from now, and they have no clue where it came from, or you hear it in a song or movie...just like you said in your own words. you cant stop information. To try, only promotes ignorance and closed mindedness.

[Encryptshun]

Make sense?

Media piracy cannot end or the entertainment will crash. They have been recycling stories since the first cave man started telling them.

Make your money. Move on. Dont hand me this copywrite shyt and tell me my mom cant have her cancer meds cus the cheap india and china clones cant be made and some bazillion dollor med company pumps them out at a penny a piece and sells them for $10,000-$14,000 each.

Make sense? Yes, it makes perfect sense. Its called Monopoly. Some have it. Some dont. Is it legal? Any thing is legal with enough money. Monopoly = Money. Money = make your own rules.

Make sense?

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the music industry. What does that have to do with monopolies?

[DJ_B_Easy]

The money an artist makes on the sale of a CD or digital purchase is a small fraction of its total price. When I went to school for Audio Engineering there was a business class and at that time (2001) average artist take on a $15 CD was less than 10%. Of course that is all negotiable in the artist's contract. The majority of the artist's take comes from live performances and appearances/endorsements. Again, thats all subject to the contract so it can vary.

The money in music is in the publishing. Since I dont care for publishing companies, Im burning the damn CD. If it were the other way around, I might buy more frequently.

[sndtgr08]

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I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the music industry. What does that have to do with monopolies?

for real? Its the same thing. The "artist" get paid cuz the have a contract with the record label that owns the MONOPOLY/COPYWRITE of there work.

[sndtgr08]

DAMN YOU B! LOL BOTH POSTED AT 3:36 LOL

[DJ_B_Easy]

^Ha! Twice in one day brah!

[sndtgr08]

Great minds think alike! (C)<---copywrite

[Jesda]

I've always thought of piracy as one of those things we do but don't usually talk about. Like stashing p0rn in C:\windows\system32\drivers\p0rn\japanese\octopus

Like speeding, you're good up to 10mph over. At 50mph over you're in jail. With piracy, the courts shouldn't be clogged with lawsuits against casual music downloaders. But someone running a major distribution site could be seriously penalized.

Unfortunately, the extremists at the RIAA don't really understand reason and common sense. Since they can't go after Russian sites that sell music for a nickel, they'd rather take retirement income from grandmothers.

[sndtgr08]

Jesda you have hit the nail on the head(c)!

[frapjap]

Like stashing p0rn in C:\windows\system32\drivers\p0rn\japanese\octopus
.

Oh. my. god.

[Encryptshun]

So since we're evidently in the business of generating wacky comparisons, here's one:

A doctor works for a medical practice. The medical practice, not the doctor, sets the rate you pay for a doctor's visit. Does that make it okay to just not pay your bill? Of course not. And that medical practice has full legal right to come after you for failure to pay, including damaging your credit rating and filing criminal charges.

I simply cannot comprehend why people think it's okay to steal music, video, etc etc. You wouldn't walk into an art gallery, take a picture of a famous painting, blow it up and hang it in your house. Or maybe you would, I dunno.

[TTkickedin]

Who cares about celebrities pay? They're overpaid as it is I'd steal their music all i want. Idc.

And publishing companies. F*ck em. No F*cks will be given today or tomorrow.

[DJ_B_Easy]

So since we're evidently in the business of generating wacky comparisons, here's one:

A doctor works for a medical practice. The medical practice, not the doctor, sets the rate you pay for a doctor's visit. Does that make it okay to just not pay your bill? Of course not. And that medical practice has full legal right to come after you for failure to pay, including damaging your credit rating and filing criminal charges.

I simply cannot comprehend why people think it's okay to steal music, video, etc etc. You wouldn't walk into an art gallery, take a picture of a famous painting, blow it up and hang it in your house. Or maybe you would, I dunno.

Not a valid comparison. A doctor visit is a specific service rendered to you and you alone. Can you share your open heart surgery or stitch removal with someone else? Even a consultation? Can you walk into a club and hear 40-50 diagnoses an hour? Music is in the public domain, a doctor visit is not. Same holds true for art, there arent thousands of a particular piece on display throughout the world that can be viewed at your leisure at any time.

Music is an intangible object. You pay the person that produces, publishes, and distributes it (notice I didnt say performs it). If you asked someone for a Twinkie and they gave it to you even thoough they bought it, have you breached the Hostess patent on the formula they use to make it? No, but if you were to try producing and selling your own you would. Its like Jesda said, as long as you arent trying to profit on it, it isnt a big deal.

[Encryptshun]

Giving someone a Twinkie that you paid for is not the same as making a copy of a Twinkie and giving that copy to someone.

Stealing is stealing.

[DJ_B_Easy]

What Im trying to say is that you are only copying the vessel. So yes, I steal CDs at $0.009 each.

I would like to point out that I dont illegally download. Any new music that I acquire I purchase on iTunes or receive via burned CD or digital flash from a friend...illegally.

Which actually brings up another point. IIRC, iTunes allows you to burn purchased music up to 5 times and also transfer entire libraries on to at least 2 hard drives on 2 different computers (I did this less than a year ago). I use DJing software that reads my iTunes library and imports those songs into a dummy vinyl. When I first got it in 2006, I could not play purchased music. It has since changed and I can play any song in my library through the dummy vinyl. Times are changing, it seems that its becoming less of an issue even with the big wigs.

[szh]

You could let her/him borrow your CD. Then whatever s/he decides to do with it is her business. Otherwise, the right thing to do would be to buy a copy for her/him.

I'm pretty much a stick-in-the-mud when it comes to pirating media (and make no mistake, your option "A" IS pirating media). If I go to work, I get paid for it. If I feel I'm not adequately compensated, I either negotiate for more money or I go somewhere else where the pay is better. Musicians and musical artists/performers should be able to exercise those same options. But if their work doesn't make any money for the record company (say, for instance, because their fans pirate their music instead of buying it), then they don't have any negotiating power to increase their own share and decrease the publisher's share.

Make sense?

I agree entirely with you - lend the CD to her or buy a new one for her, or download just that song legally (from iTunes for example).

I am sorry to see all the rationalizations being used in the other posts to steal. Regardless of anything else, the owner of the art (whatever it is: songs are no exception) takes a hit to their living when you pirate their work.

Yeah, I ENTIRELY dislike the way RIAA goes about their business too, but that doesn't justify hurting the artists.

Z

[szh]

So far, it looks like the only "No, I will buy ..." vote is mine. Sad to see.

Z

[Encryptshun]

Not anymore, Z.

[300ZXttZMAN]

I voted for:
"No. But I will buy you your own."

Because I have no choice since I don't have a CD burner.

[DJ_B_Easy]

Dont get me wrong, I dont condone mass pirating. But if in the situation depicted, Im burning that CD and hopefully gettin' some. Like I said above, I DO purchase music on iTunes, quite frequently actually. But if my GF asked me to burn her a copy Im not going to buy the album again to get her one. In fact, iTunes wont let you do that because it will recognize its already in your library. And lets be honest, who is actually going to go to the store and buy an actual CD. Before someone says "I would" please be sure to tell me how many times you have done that in the past year. iTunes ALLOWS it now. I bought the music, Im entitled to burn it up to 5 times, Im taking advantage of it if I can.

[Encryptshun]

Every CD I have purchased in the past year has been at a store.

I refuse to use iTunes.