Questionable Poll, What do you say?

[DJ_B_Easy]

^How many?

And what do you do when the CD or music you are looking for isnt sold in local stores?

[Encryptshun]

I'd say I only bought a dozen or so CDs in the past year. But I torrented zero, ripped zero, and did pay-for-download off amazon mp3 marketplace to the tune of one song (George Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue").

I listen to the radio.

[DJ_B_Easy]

Haha! Im exactly the opposite. I only have one good rock/classic rock station by me and its peppered with Nickelback and things of the sort. And the Hip Hop stations dont play the old school stuff that I like. I listen to the radio while Im changing CDs or from CD to iPod.

Havent tried the Amazon one, how was the file quality?

Anyway, like I said, I dont use file sharing sites like Limewire, I dont use torrents like Pirate Bay. I will burn a CD here and there if someone asks for it or I want it. If the program I bought it from allows me to do it, then its legit to me.

I guess it really does matter what kind of software (or lack thereof) you do most of your listening in as well.

Bart, want to get in here and sum up your thread please? You said the results would "prove a point". Waiting for it...

[sndtgr08]

In another thread the topic of sharing music was outright called stealing. I wanted to see if anyone in reality would look at another person in the face and acuse them of stealing or wanting to steal. As you can see it got 0 votes. Even the others from the other thread did't vote for it. Weird how some can be richeous one minute, then when its a practical situation they are in, they become more practical.

Of the 4 who voted for buying the album a SECOND time, your votes are suspect. I would bet if you had not read this thread and been primed for it, you also would have gone with the 1st choice also.

@Encryptshun, if you dont feel ripped off after buying a dozen albums a year with(if your lucky), a couple of halfway decent songs on them, then more power to you. I respect your vote. Some people will buy anything.

[S133P3R]

"Stealing is like punching someone in the dark, is a victimless crime."
Nelson Muntz

While i will not vote for one of your options above I do agree that if the license is limited to 1 person, it should not be shared. I always enjoyed handing my cash over to the artist in person at a show, knowing they are taking that straight to the bank. I coveted my cd collection and never burned copies of my rare-tracks and b-side cdr's that I had purchased.
Nowadays, most of the music I download is from sources where the artist releases it directly for mass reproduction for the sole purpose of building HYPE.

[nissangirl74]

I pay for all of my music. I buy it through Amazon. I used to pirate music but I'm trying to set a good example for our kids. I don't have an MP3 player / ipod anyway, so it doesn't matter as much to me as it does to them. FWIW, they paid for their own music.

[Ozzie]

I have thousands of dollars tied up in a box, hidden in my shed.
Relax, it's full of CD's (and cassette tapes), not cash.... GET OUT OF MY SHED!
I don't own anything that anyone else would want a copy of.

[sndtgr08]

"Stealing is like punching someone in the dark, is a victimless crime."
Nelson Muntz.

I agree. And as we have already seen it is clearly not stealing to burn a CD for a friend, or your church or school. It's called sharing. I did not steal anything and made No Profit. The crime would be in not sharing information, and in stopping and restricting the flow of information.

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While i will not vote for one of your options above I do agree that if the license is limited to 1 person, it should not be shared...

"if the license is limited to 1 person, it should not be shared"

Where does is say that ANYWHERE? LOL I will asume you misworded that. If so then when you buy a new movie then ONLY you can watch it! Dont let your family see it! THAT would be stealing! And dont let your neighbor BORROW that move and WATCH it! That would be stealing! You think I am being silly and off topic, but tell me the truth: If BMG or Columbia or Itunes COULD charge you PER USE,. they would in a heartbeat. They charge the Radio stations and music TV stations PER USE. The only thing stopping them now are the thin privacy laws we have now, which if you read up on ACTA and SOPA and our other U.S. laws, you will see how far we are going down the rabit hole and how close they come to dancing on your Bill of Rights and amendments.

@ The other guy on here was talking about his "Rare" songs he is saving/hiding away Do you know how much media was lost to the past because nobody had any COPYs left? If you REALY wanted to save them you would MAKE COPYS and send them to: http://www.loc.gov/index.html If you have such rare art why is it hidden away? If nobody ever gets to hear thoughs songs ever again, you can be proud that you were able to keep 1 "spec" of information all to your self, so that no generations after you can appreciate it.

[szh]

Not anymore, Z.

Z

[AppleBonker]

It's called sharing. I did not steal anything and made No Profit. The crime would be in not sharing information, and in stopping and restricting the flow of information.

So If I steal a pack of gum from a gas station and don't sell it, it isn't stealing since I made no profit? Or, better yet, I steal that same pack of gum and give it to you. Then you can't argue I even profited somehow by chewing the gum. So it's not stealing.

While i will not vote for one of your options above I do agree that if the license is limited to 1 person, it should not be shared...

"if the license is limited to 1 person, it should not be shared"

Where does is say that ANYWHERE? LOL I will asume you misworded that. If so then when you buy a new movie then ONLY you can watch it! Dont let your family see it! THAT would be stealing! And dont let your neighbor BORROW that move and WATCH it! That would be stealing!

There is a huge difference between letting someone use an item you own and letting them have it or making them a copy of it. If you own the copy of the song/CD/movie and let them watch it, they are using you for that purpose. If you let them borrow it, same thing. But, if you generate them a copy, they can use it whenever or however they want. To keep that part of it legal, they should be purchasing their own.

Don't think of it in terms of an item that can be easily duplicated. If I loan you my car, you are free to drive it. We can both ride in it at the same time. I can also give you my car. But if I do that, I can no longer use it whenever I want. We can either both use it simultaneously, or one can use it however he wants. Same principle here.

And don't get confused here. Music/Movies are items of entertainment. They are not ideas/thoughts. It takes ideas/thoughts to get to the end product, but these aren't the same thing. There's a big difference between me explaining a song or a movie to you and me giving you a copy so you can enjoy it as well.

This thread makes me lose even more respect for the society I live in...

[AppleBonker]

In another thread the topic of sharing music was outright called stealing. I wanted to see if anyone in reality would look at another person in the face and acuse them of stealing or wanting to steal. As you can see it got 0 votes. Even the others from the other thread did't vote for it. Weird how some can be richeous one minute, then when its a practical situation they are in, they become more practical.

Also, FWIW, the response "No. But I will buy you your own" is identical to "No. You should buy your own" and "No. That is stealing" in principle. So the votes for buying the person a copy are basically the same as telling that person you wont help them steal.

Of the 4 who voted for buying the album a SECOND time, your votes are suspect. I would bet if you had not read this thread and been primed for it, you also would have gone with the 1st choice also.

Highly doubtful. I don't need to be presented with multiple scenarios to know where I stand morally.

[numbnuts240]

I don't need to be presented with multiple scenarios to know where I stand morally.

starts with a "p", ends with a "enishands"

[AppleBonker]

I never said I voted. Just that I know where I stand morally. And, if that was a serious attempt to make money, they don't deserve any.

[TTkickedin]

I think the government has other things to worry about than teenagers pirating music. Pirating music is superficial and granular.

[sndtgr08]

So If I steal a pack of gum from a gas station and don't sell it, it isn't stealing since I made no profit? Or, better yet, I steal that same pack of gum and give it to you. Then you can't argue I even profited somehow by chewing the gum. So it's not stealing.

You are totaly off topic.
I will try and use it tho, and put it in a way so you can see the diffence in topics:
IF YOU HAVE ALL OF THE INGREDIENTS FOR THE GUM, AND YOU MAKE THE SAME TYPE OF GUM IN YOUR BASEMENT, IT IS NOT STEALING! CHEW ALL YOU LIKE.

I think the government has other things to worry about than teenagers pirating music.

Your right, and your wrong. What most members of our upper government REALY think about 90% of the time is 1) money and 2) Votes, not always in that order. Nobody buys more votes then big corporations. So with that in mind, the Big corps get together and buy off whoever they need to, to get whatever laws they want made. So, if "Entertainment" industry says make laws like PITA and ACTA, guess what happens? Yep Now your state $enator care$. They would LOVE to be able to monitor EVERYbodys internet use. Good buy 1st 4th and 5th amendments.

They already did away to thr right of Due Procesess in cases. You can be accused of being a terrorlst, and imprisoned FOREVER, with no trial. If you can FULLY strip a person of there rites with no trial even, do you think they give a shyt about your privacy?

I am thinking that too many of you are not keeping up to date on what is going on. YOu know they passed some 40,000 new laws last year? Do you know that so many sneaky FKed up laws get snuk in with the rest every year?

GE(General Electric) made like 13 billion dollars last year and some how paid no taxes.....legaly. Yet, you cry if I make Tooty Fruity in my basement, and give it out to my friends.

[AppleBonker]

So If I steal a pack of gum from a gas station and don't sell it, it isn't stealing since I made no profit? Or, better yet, I steal that same pack of gum and give it to you. Then you can't argue I even profited somehow by chewing the gum. So it's not stealing.

You are totaly off topic.
I will try and use it tho, and put it in a way so you can see the diffence in topics:
IF YOU HAVE ALL OF THE INGREDIENTS FOR THE GUM, AND YOU MAKE THE SAME TYPE OF GUM IN YOUR BASEMENT, IT IS NOT STEALING! CHEW ALL YOU LIKE.

I think I was closer than you are. Your analogy of making the same gum using your own ingredients is more like recreating the music on a CD with your own band and instruments and then mixing it. That is a far cry (and far more difficult) than just burning a copy of the disc. Ever see someone cover a song on youtube? That would be similar to your comparison or manufacturing your own gum.

[sndtgr08]

I think I was closer than you are. Your analogy of making the same gum using your own ingredients is more like recreating the music on a CD with your own band and instruments and then mixing it. That is a far cry (and far more difficult) than just burning a copy of the disc. Ever see someone cover a song on youtube? That would be similar to your comparison or manufacturing your own gum.

Lets not split hairs, and exact reproduction is exactly what it is. There is no misunderstanding my words now. If I can reporduce Tooty Fruity gum exactly, or I reproduce a song exactly, it is an exact reproduction. How else can you compare that to walking into a store and stealing Gum or a CD? I am NOT talking about COVER bands. I said tooty fruity. I didt say it "Kind of Tastes like tooty fruity"
And the TIME it takse to make the copy of WHATEVER has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING in this thraed.

How do you keep getting so far off topic?

We are not stealing a car right off the lot. I am making an REPLICA.
We are talking about making an EXACT copy.

If you make a different version then call it your own and put it online so I can share it with everyone else.

[AppleBonker]

This has clearly become an exercise in futility, so I'm out. Do whatever you have to do to justify it; you're taking potential money out of peoples' hands. If you get caught, any argument you made here will not help you avoid punishment. Just hope that you never end up on the other end where you're losing out because people are finding ways to get around giving you your due.

[sndtgr08]

The punishment for uploading a Michael Jackson song is 5 years in jail and a $50,000 fine.

The punishment for killing Michael Jackson is 4 years in jail.

If you think thats fair, then I am glad you dont make laws.

[AppleBonker]

I never claimed either of those was fair.

Out of curiosity, what do you do for a living? So it doesn't seem like I'm trying to be offensive, I'm just wondering if you're in a position where your work/ideas cannot be easily stolen.

Edit: And for the record, I wasn't trying to push my morals on anyone. I was just trying to explain the flaws in your logic.

[sndtgr08]

I'm just your average middle class nobody. The "flaws' are in the laws" YOU just said you dont think its fair. And your right, I could care less if anybody "stole" my ideas. Help yourself to them, maybe you share just a tiny bit of them with someone else, and maybe that person will be inspired to be something or someone that they can be happy with. Maybe it will just lead to someone else having a better idea, that sprung from my idea. I can take pride in that. I dont need to keep it to myself. it's only a matter of time before someone else thinks it. And they share it.

Dont be silly and think mankind would NEVER have had Fisson with out Einstein, or cars with out Ford. Human progress is inevitable. If you make something that someone will pay for, then good for you. Dont ever think, someone else cant make the same thing, just you because you make it first(or you claim to have) and even make it better(Remix Baby). Thats just being ignorant of reality. Its been going on since the dawn of time.

I get my music from legally free sources, but I still belive the system in place is wrong and worse, they are starting to push on our Rights. And because of the same set of Rights you are alowed you views and your choices. There may come a day when you lose both. Out of thousands and thousands of years of human kind, its is only in this country, and in only in the last hand full of generations or so that we get this level of freedom. The rest of known history, and a good chunk of the world today is pretty ugly. I for one would like to keep my freedoms. The only options we have are 1) talking and sharing ideas 2) voting. 3) Do nothing and Eat everything the system tells me is right, with no thought or care of my own.

There will always be sheep, cowering behind thoughs who stand for something.

If I have shed even a spark of curiosity into the minds of any of the readers, to think for them selfs and find out what is REALY going on in the world around them, then success is mine. (or maybe someone elses....you think anything I have said was my idea? )

[themadscientist]

You stand for theft. Well done. I believe it was Patrick Henry that said "give me someone else's intellectual property or give me death. You are a true patriot.

[sndtgr08]

You stand for theft. Well done. I believe it was Patrick Henry that said "give me someone else's intellectual property or give me death. You are a true patriot.

LOL After all that. "You stand for theft" is all you got out of that? ugh! No wonder your bashing gay rights in the other thread. Are you a wealthy republican?

[themadscientist]

Son, you are funny; please don't change. Just like in that thread, you are out of your league with me, but I encourage you to keep swinging wildly.

So, much like there, you have nothing, but baseless accusations that even if they were true would be irrelevant to the question. You want to try again or are we going to be sticking with finger painting?

If you are burning copies of CDs not for yourself, but rather to give to someone else you are, now put down the Capri Sun and tighten your helmet straps Timmay so you can concentrate, A THIEF.

Defend

[sndtgr08]

As the poll shows, you are the minority. Most of the rest of the planet will do whats sensable, practical and burn her the cd and never think twice about it.

[Razi]

A sample of 16 isn't the rest of the planet.

[sndtgr08]

A sample of 16 isn't the rest of the planet.

You are correct. In most other countrys they are even more liberal when it comes to this stuff and it is an even more common occurrence.

[Razi]

I'm pretty sure that happens in this country too.
"9 out of 10 doctors"

Doesn't give your puny poll on a car forum any more legitimacy.

[sndtgr08]

Kind of like that Poll that was done by the washington post saying what percentage of kids in school admitted to using marijuana. I was thinking that for every one that admitted to it, there had to be dozens that lied or abstained. I'm sure the same holds true here.

[Razi]

Still doesn't make your poll global, sorry.