Ok "independent", "traditional conservatives"

[srellim234]

WD- if it helps, here's his campaign website:

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/home/skip/?s=0618

I do have a question for you and although I know better I'll ask everyone else here not to make any kind of judgement, snide remark or argue about your answer, because it is entirely personal on your part. Answer not open for debate or criticism. In fact, I will ask the same question of everyone here who feels compelled to vote for a major candidate to prevent the other from being elected:

If, somehow it became obvious prior to the election that the candidate you were going to vote for had absolutely no chance, would you seriously look at other candidates? If you found someone more to your liking than McCain or Obama would you then change your vote to a third party?

[ishkabibble]

When you say traditional conservative, what do you mean exactly?

It's also referred to as Paleoconservatism. Here's the Wikipedia article (which I haven't read, sorry - need to get some orders in for NX parts before I go to bed)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservatism

[WDRacing]

WD- if it helps, here's his campaign website:

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/home/skip/?s=0618

I do have a question for you and although I know better I'll ask everyone else here not to make any kind of judgement, snide remark or argue about your answer, because it is entirely personal on your part. Answer not open for debate or criticism. In fact, I will ask the same question of everyone here who feels compelled to vote for a major candidate to prevent the other from being elected:

If, somehow it became obvious prior to the election that the candidate you were going to vote for had absolutely no chance, would you seriously look at other candidates? If you found someone more to your liking than McCain or Obama would you then change your vote to a third party?

I'll read that when I get home from work today

As far as voting is concerned, I've never out to much faith in polls so I'd personally have a hard time assuming McCain was going to lose right up till the end. BUT...if it were to become obvious...say he gets caught groping a young boy in Central Park I'd definitly vote for Barr. It doesn't have to be something THAT dramatic I suppose, just a clear sign that he has no chance.

It's also referred to as Paleoconservatism. Here's the Wikipedia article (which I haven't read, sorry - need to get some orders in for NX parts before I go to bed)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservatism

NX parts aye...why

[AZhitman]

Really, we don't dispute that in his younger days he was a great man. The McCain of 2000 was even a better man. But the McCain of 2008 isn't a shell of what he once was. It's unfortunate, but it's true. Look in his eyes when he tries to assemble sentences other than the ones his handlers have provided for him, he's lost.

...wasn't this discussion about 'character'?

In what universe does a person's 'character', their core being, change with age?

I think you're confusing character and eloquence... character and spunk... character and vitality. Not even CLOSE to the same things.

[rn79870]

I always feel victorious when someone challenges the meaning of words but not the concepts expressed. Thanks boss man...

[stopcamping]

recent cocaine use.

He's recently used cocaine? When??

[rn79870]

Obama admited to trying marijuana in high school and said he hasn't consumed any illegal drugs in 20 years.

That's not really recent but what the heck, the anti's will say anything.

[stopcamping]

In what universe does a person's 'character', their core being, change with age?

People can change. are you not familiar with this concept? Bush used to be an alcoholic & a coke user, but he changed.

[ishkabibble]

But he still has the 'character' of a frat boy.

[smockers83]

He's recently used cocaine? When??

Basically when this happened apparently

**Edited** (Come on guys, let's at least post material that contributes to the discussions and isn't deliberately argumentative. Smocky, this isn't aimed at you, it's becoming more of a problem around here.)

[stopcamping]

ok so i guess it is not recent then. hitman apparently is just a cog in the republican spin machine.

[AZhitman]

People can change. are you not familiar with this concept? Bush used to be an alcoholic & a coke user, but he changed.

That's behavior, not character. His character, as Ish said above, hasn't changed.

Bob, take your "victories" where you can...

Character: the inherent complex of attributes that determines a persons moral and ethical actions and reactions... a person's repute, a person's qualifications and dependability.

Read carefully:

Go back to your use of the word character and see how absurd it is to claim that someone's character has diminished as evidenced by an apparent impairment.

[AZhitman]

ok so i guess it is not recent then. hitman apparently is just a cog in the republican spin machine.

Nice try. When you can keep up with the majority of the posters in this thread on an intellectual level, then you can call it "spin". Just because you can't comprehend the intricacies of this discussion, doesn't make it "spin".

Besides, at 45 years old, EVERYTHING is "recent". *

*There ya go Bob, I set the ball on the tee for you - Now you swing and try to hit it past the infield.

[rn79870]

Character: the inherent complex of attributes that determines a persons moral and ethical actions and reactions... a person's repute, a person's qualifications and dependability.

I see alot of old people driving down the road. They're real characters. Old people don't drive like younger people, and they seem to cause a lot more accidents. Sometimes, I wonder if it's safe for old people to drive.

[qquote=AZHitman]*There ya go Bob, I set the ball on the tee for you - Now you swing and try to hit it past the infield. [/quote]

Well there you have it. You've been thinking baseball and I've been hitting 320 yard drives down the center of the fairway. I wondered why you missed my shots so often...

[smockers83]

Quote »**Edited** (Come on guys, let's at least post material that contributes to the discussions and isn't deliberately argumentative. Smocky, this isn't aimed at you, it's becoming more of a problem around here.) [/quote]To whom it may concern,No worries, this thread got off topic so quickly that it's essentially pointless. I was bringing light to the situation for the 2nd time. We started on McCain and we're arguing about Obama again. But for stopcamping, if he really is from Chernobyl, it was kind of relevant to him in terms of time frame, which is where the whole idea came from. Now I'm just pushing buttons. I apologize.

[AZhitman]

I see alot of old people driving down the road. They're real characters. Old people don't drive like younger people, and they seem to cause a lot more accidents. Sometimes, I wonder if it's safe for old people to drive.

[qquote=AZHitman]*There ya go Bob, I set the ball on the tee for you - Now you swing and try to hit it past the infield.

Well there you have it. You've been thinking baseball and I've been hitting 320 yard drives down the center of the fairway. I wondered why you missed my shots so often... [/QUOTE]

^ Statistical, definitional, contextual and grammatical failure all wrapped up in one neat post.

Sorry I didn't get the golf reference, I'm not a golfer.

[ishkabibble]

To whom it may concern,No worries, this thread got off topic so quickly that it's essentially pointless.

Nah, I count many on-topic posts in this thread. Plus, it's meaningful to me - people's actions are more important than their words.

[stopcamping]

That's behavior, not character. His character, as Ish said above, hasn't changed.

Bush was a drunk and a coke user, which are characters.

Main Entry: 1char·ac·ter Listen to the pronunciation of 1characterPronunciation: \ˈker-ik-tər, ˈka-rik-\ Function: noun

1 a: the attribute or feature that distinguishes an individual

Nice try. When you can keep up with the majority of the posters in this thread on an intellectual level, then you can call it "spin". Just because you can't comprehend the intricacies of this discussion, doesn't make it "spin".

I call it like I see it, AZspinman. Don't get upset just because someone noticed your spinning.

Besides, at 45 years old, EVERYTHING is "recent".

Nice try spinman, but not so. If he hasn't done any drugs in +20 yrs, then saying his coke use is recent is disingenuous because it gives the impression that he's resumed coke. Republican ads could not say his coke use was recent because then they'd be sued for slander, as they should be.

[AZhitman]

Another typical libbyism - Run and find a lawyer to handle your business.

Based on your definition of character, I'll lump BO in the "coke user" and "terrorlst sympathizer" category.

[stopcamping]

How do you know McCain's camp wouldn't do the same thing? You don't know.

Game, set, and match.

Btw, not my definition since I've cited my source.

[stopcamping]

I'll lump BO in the "coke user" and "terrorlst sympathizer" category.

OK, spinman. We'll be watching.

[AZhitman]

That's all I ask.

[OriginalWheelman]

You would stop to think every time you had to answer a question, if every time you said something, thousands of people across the country analyze every word choice, phrase, sentence, and way you move your head for a deeper meaning. A bunch of college educated people with 1 gen psych course make speculations on relevance of the use of one pro noun over another. It's sickening.

[AZhitman]

It's a SoCal thing. It's the new counterculture.

[wingFeather]

the linked McCain video was a textbook example of dementia, complete with classic confusion and slurred speech. Honestly, he may have even soiled himself in that interview.

I'm not sure we were watching the same video. Perhaps your computer took you to a different site or something.

However, I DID see evidence of brain damage from Obama's drug use in his video. Uhhhhh.... Ummm. Uhhhhh.... hope people! Change! I am black so vote for me!

[ishkabibble]

Another typical libbyism - Run and find a lawyer to handle your business.

Yeah, that darn DOJ... always handling libby business.

Oh, wait.

[skylndrftr]

im assuming you mean investigating scotter libby for outting a CIA operative there right ish