Ok "independent", "traditional conservatives"

[smockers83]

This thread is really confusing--it has no direction with too many assumptions and things going on. Can we just get back to the original questions:Traditional conservatives, why are you voting McCain?Independents, why are you voting McCain?Why are you voting McCain over Barr? (pretty much already been answered)

And what does being unhappy with the current political system have to do with anything? Are we supposed to vote in communism, a monarchy, a dictator? The system isn't going to go anywhere for a very long time.

And why do I have to answer my own question? I just wanted to make sure people actually knew what a neoconservative was instead of just throwing the word around.

[stopcamping]

But calm the hell down.

um I think everyone else in this thread is being calm except for you.

I mentioned the IQ cause you said I was stupid after I replied to ISH

IQ reflects one's ability to learn. It doesn't measure a person's level of education.

[WDRacing]

Regardless...a vote for Barr is a vote for Obama.

[srellim234]

You are wrong.

[WDRacing]

You are wrong.

Yeah...no. In your world maybe, but in this place we call reality a vote for Barr is the same thing as a vote for Obama. If you can't understand that...well

[wingFeather]

a vote for Barr is the same thing as a vote for Obama. If you can't understand that...well

I understand all too well. This is how Clinton first got into the White House, even though the majority of the country did NOT vote for him.

I had friends that wanted Bush or Perot, but definitely NOT Clinton. They voted Perot, which gave Clinton his win. None of the Democrats I heard from would ever consider a candidate outside their party, so it was in essence the Republicans who voted for Clinton (via Perot).

Did those wasted votes for Perot "make a difference"? Nope.

[srellim234]

I understand it perfectly. If the Republicans aren't capable of putting someone and a party platform up that is capable of holding their voters, they'll play the fear game about the destruction of America that the Democrats will bring. Not so. The Democratic congress under Pelosi is proving they're not capable of doing anything. At this point I seriously doubt that Obama could get a majority of his own Congressman, if they had a cold, to agree to blow their noses. At least it would take 3 1/2 years of hearings and debates. Maybe by then the Republicans can fix their party.

A vote for Barr by a Republican will make it easier for Obama to win. I acknowledge that. A vote by a Libertarian for Barr is voting for his party and its nominee, just like you are doing for McCain. You never had that Libertarian in the first place. They are voting for their candidate, not for Obama.

[rn79870]

Yeah...no. In your world maybe, but in this place we call reality a vote for Barr is the same thing as a vote for Obama. If you can't understand that...well

If that logic is true, then a Republican who didn't vote at all would be the same as a vote for Obama. That's obviously false too.

[WDRacing]

Actually Bob, I agree with that. But I am speaking from a different angle. I'm trying to keep someone OUT of office just as much as I'm voting FOR someone else. So it's really all in the eye of the beholder.

Many people feel this way though and vote accordingly.

[wingFeather]

I understand it perfectly. If the Republicans aren't capable of putting someone and a party platform up that is capable of holding their voters, they'll play the fear game about the destruction of America that the Democrats will bring. Not so. The Democratic congress under Pelosi is proving they're not capable of doing anything. At this point I seriously doubt that Obama could get a majority of his own Congressman, if they had a cold, to agree to blow their noses. At least it would take 3 1/2 years of hearings and debates. Maybe by then the Republicans can fix their party.

A vote for Barr by a Republican will make it easier for Obama to win. I acknowledge that. A vote by a Libertarian for Barr is voting for his party and its nominee, just like you are doing for McCain. You never had that Libertarian in the first place. They are voting for their candidate, not for Obama.

I wouldn't try to spin it as irrational fear...

Obama doesn't have a good track record. He wants to implement his extremist left wing beliefs. He is a bit of an airhead (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw ).

The fact that so many people rally behind him (DESPITE footage like this) shows that he will get whatever whimsical idea he wants passed. The checks & balances are favoring Democrats right now... so it's not an irrational fear, it's a "say your prayers before we tumble this country."

This is why I am voting for McCain. He is the candidate for real change

[rn79870]

Here is something I don't even want to quote here on Nico. It shows what a hothead McCain is and doesn't reflect well on his character. It's dated Aug 04, 2008, quoting a May 2008 item.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/....html

Like one person said, do you want this guy to have his hand on the button?

I just read his response to the question he was asked. Another befuddled response. Look, I respect what McCain has done for our country, but him being in power scares me.

[wingFeather]

Sorry but that is preatty weak.

"Hey, dude, wayyyyyyyyyyyyy back in 92 I heard a rumor that you once called your wife a name. Are you qualified to lead this country?"

Contrast this with Obama's present-day happy admission that he used drugs a lot!

Now let's talk about character...

[rn79870]

Okay...let's look at character...

His behavior through the years tells us all we need to know: he is a spoiled brat-turned adult who demeans people who dare to disagree with him; he has an explosive temper that can erupt on a nanosecond's notice; he is a total liar who will tell you something one day and then totally deny it the next (more on that below); he is a political chameleon who is enabled by the so-called Main Stream Media; he is also a megalomaniac whose former POW status has allowed him to get away with things -- i.e. the Keating Five Scandal -- that others would have gone to jail for.

In sum, McCain is a disaster waiting-to-happen.

http://www.gunowners.org/mcdis.htm

[wingFeather]

Obama doesn't even know how many states are in the nation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

Now that is a disaster waiting to happen

[rn79870]

Nice out of context try. he'd been to several states, some 2 and some 3x.Swing and a miss....

[AZhitman]

Okay...let's look at character...

Sure - and instead of reading a rant from someone with an emotional ax to grind, we could choose a non-biased source that says he's the type of guy to jump out of a USS Forrestal hospital bed after 3 days' recuperation from injury when asked to fly sorties from another ship... or refuse to come home when offered and leave fellow POW's behind...

The fact that your "source" blames the MSM tells me they're confused as all hell... Isn't the MSM largely left-leaning?

Let's not go there, Bob, unless you have someone of resounding character to prop up.

[rn79870]

Or, we could choose a non-biased source that says he's the type of guy to jump out of a USS Forrestal hospital bed after 3 days' recuperation from injury when asked to fly sorties from another ship... or refuse to come home and leave fellow POW's behind...

Let's not go there, Bob, unless you have someone of resounding character to prop up.

Really, we don't dispute that in his younger days he was a great man. The McCain of 2000 was even a better man. But the McCain of 2008 isn't a shell of what he once was. It's unfortunate, but it's true. Look in his eyes when he tries to assemble sentences other than the ones his handlers have provided for him, he's lost.

[AZhitman]

...well, let's just hope his advancing age and past alcohol use isn't as debilitating as BO's inexperience and recent cocaine use.

Again, people had the same reservations about Reagan... You of all people can recall that.

[smockers83]

Nice out of context try. he'd been to several states, some 2 and some 3x.Swing and a miss....

How is it taken out of context? The guy said he had been in 57 states with what he thought was one more to go, and then he listed Hawaii and Alaska as off limits. That makes 60 states. If I've been to all 50 states and some of those multiple times, I've still only been to 50 states.

Can I just say I love this thread.

[rn79870]

How is it taken out of context? The guy said he had been in 57 states with what he thought was one more to go, and then he listed Hawaii and Alaska as off limits. That makes 60 states. If I've been to all 50 states and some of those multiple times, I've still only been to 50 states.

It's like quoting a single verse out of the Bible, it proves nothing unless you take it in context. The difference is that the linked Obama video was a minute of a rational thought, whereas the linked McCain video was a textbook example of dementia, complete with classic confusion and slurred speech. Honestly, he may have even soiled himself in that interview.

[smockers83]

So enlighten us as to the extra 8 states he was referring to.

To be completely honest, I don't think its being taken out of context, its just that he just misspoke. Big deal, we all do it.

[rn79870]

So enlighten us as to the extra 8 states he was referring to.

Let me think about this. He said 57. 57 - 8 = 49. Did you misspeak too?

[AZhitman]

McCain video was a textbook example of dementia, complete with classic confusion and slurred speech.

And now he's a doctor.

"Textbook example"? What textbook?

Why must everything be so exaggerated?

[rn79870]

And now he's a doctor.

"Textbook example"? What textbook?

Why must everything be so exaggerated?

I went through helping a grandparent with dementia. I see similarities. It's a terrible disease.

It wasn't exaggerated, I never said anything about McCain drooling.

[AZhitman]

It wasn't exaggerated, I never said anything about McCain drooling.

Yeeeeah. Ok.

...the linked McCain video was a textbook example of dementia...

I hope they don't put you in a home when your communication isn't up to some amateur's standards...

[ishkabibble]

And what does being unhappy with the current political system have to do with anything? Are we supposed to vote in communism, a monarchy, a dictator? The system isn't going to go anywhere for a very long time.

C'mon, smocky, quit playing like you're dense.

And why do I have to answer my own question? I just wanted to make sure people actually knew what a neoconservative was instead of just throwing the word around.

Next time you want to challenge someone's knowledge about something, it's to your benefit if you point out exactly how they are misinformed rather than posting an Obama-esque vague statement wondering if they are wrong. Otherwise, you're no different than the people "throwing the word around".

Ok, to get back to the original point of this thread. Despite many claims on this forum that people are "independent, traditional conservatives", exactly zero have shown that they considered, or in fact know much about Barr. I find this strange considering Barr seems to be the kind of person an "independent, traditional conservative" would vote for.

Try spinning it any way you want, a vote for a candidate is nothing other than a vote for that candidate.

[rn79870]

I hope they don't put you in a home when your communication isn't up to some amateur's standards...

When I stumble and fumble trying to put a sentence together and babble speaking it, I'll run for president on the Republican ticket.

[WDRacing]

Ok, to get back to the original point of this thread. Despite many claims on this forum that people are "independent, traditional conservatives", exactly zero have shown that they considered, or in fact know much about Barr. I find this strange considering Barr seems to be the kind of person an "independent, traditional conservative" would vote for.

Try spinning it any way you want, a vote for a candidate is nothing other than a vote for that candidate.

I admittedly don't know much about Barr...but I don't find the need to either. He has no chance of winning and I have better things to read about IMO. If he had a shot I'd read all about his stances...but IMO I don't think he does.

I'm not spinning anything when I say that a vote NOT for McCain is a vote for Obama. I fail to see how you don't understand that...I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm just miffed as to why it doesn't make sense to you.

The fact that this thread has gone on to McCain/Obama bashing again is lame...like the other 16 threads aren't enough

Ish did you want to discuss Barr, or did you just want to point out that know one really considers him as an option? I have no REAL info on him and I'd have to read up in order to discuss anything at length.

[ishkabibble]

I fail to see how you don't understand that...I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm just miffed as to why it doesn't make sense to you.

Because it's obvious that many of you share the same opinion. If even some of you didn't give in and keep voting the same political types in, then we'd actually have a 3rd party get enough votes to get funded. This goes for the other side, too... a vote for Nader is not a "wasted vote", IMO.

The fact that this thread has gone on to McCain/Obama bashing again is lame...like the other 16 threads aren't enough

Part of the problem is that the standard response to a dig on one candidate is to just bash the other candidate. The other part of the problem is that rn loves him some Obama and doesn't moderate like he used to.

Ish did you want to discuss Barr, or did you just want to point out that know one really considers him as an option? I have no REAL info on him and I'd have to read up in order to discuss anything at length.

I'd like to discuss him if anyone knew anything about him. I don't know a ton about him since I'm only conservative on select issues. But on the surface, Barr appears to be more "traditional conservative" than anyone else in the race. So it boggled my mind that people would describe themselves in a certain fashion, but not support the candidate that is most aligned with their claimed political beliefs.

[WDRacing]

When you say traditional conservative, what do you mean exactly? How does he differ from McCain...could you give me a for instance?

I know I don't want Obama...but that's ALL that I'm clear on.