Oil Filters

[NightRiderQ45]

i don't know if it is just me, but when I use synthetic oil on the new filter gasket, it is harder to remove. I noticed this on 3 cars. Somehow, someway, the filters get harder to remove. I do it by hand, tight, and with synthetic, it is always trouble to get off. So I do use dino oil, about 5 drops. I also wipe out metal paste from threads of new filters. You will see.German Castrol!There was a real good article on additive and oil I read. New oil is not good.There are additives that can beef up, even M1 was low. Funny but they said the old Chevy Engine Oil Supplement and a few others was a good idea. Lucas has a Zinc Plus additive. Not the syrup.I think Synthetics are not a good idea if they are the low additive. There are ways around it.

You are making NO sense!!!

[thejapino]

Well, since we're talking Supertech filters. I went to the Walmart to pick up some filters looking for M1. My local walmart doesn't stock these so my choices were

1. Fram2. Supertech

I decided to do a quick comparo between the two. Without cutting them open, you can feel the difference. The Supertech is heavier. Looking at the 'flange' part of the filter, you notice its a bit thicker metal than the Fram. The last thing you notice is that the O-ring on the Supertech is larger diameter than any of the Frams! Seems like they didn't cut as many corners as Fram did.

Sold, see you in 3-months/3000 miles.

[Issac]

-Oil Additives and wear in new and older oils, 2 articles located here by professionals-http://www.aera.org/ep/index.htmlIn these articles, you will see the additives that count, which are lacking today, and how to remedy. It makes sense.

-I found when changing filter and oil, the gasket on new filter is much harder to remove if I lubricate it during the new filter install with synthetic vs regular oil. Yes it is strange, but that was why I said it.

And lastly, the threads in a new filter often have small metal particles that you can wipe out with your finger simply, that are signifacant enough to make a grey smudge around the paper or rag.

I am for German Castrol 0-30 as the oil of choice.

Make sense?

[Q45denver]

Mobil one extended wear has enough additives.

Here's an article I posted earlier that I guess no one bothered reading:

http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html

[Issac]

that was a nice piece and I did read it. Enough yes for new, but additive package decreases right? And if it is less in M1, which I believe it is by quite a bit, on calcium for instance, do those extended wear intervals on top quality syn become dangerous for real, rather than possibly at best?

I always change filters 2 x with synthetics and run Pure 1, but I don't think I would do extended on the new packages (weak).

But there are oils that can...

Extended for me is a whopping 6k anyway, so not much. I thiink a little beefing up of additive might not hurt.

I talked with the guy at the link I put on, and they are having all kinds of engine cam problems coming up all over the country with old pushrods that is directly caused by Energy Conserving and newest API oils.

Wear is wear though, I figure and I would rather a stronger, proven additive package, than a diluted version. M1 has changed it levels.

[Q45denver]

I figure if it is rated for 15k and I change it between 6 and 8k miles there is not much risk. You could always add some engine moly or BG MOA when you change the filter.

[Victor]

Why do Infiniti's use such small oil filters? The filter on my 5.7 liter GMC engine is twice the size of the filter used on my 3 liter J30T, but the bigger filter actually costs less.

[Issac]

I think your right on that. The german castrol stopped my valve clatter that I had with M1 and it is 0-30 and m1 was 10-30. It was sounding a little old.

[Q45tech]

Nissan uses small filters because they expect them to be replaced every 90 days or 3750 miles simple as that! No talking will make their engineers change their specifications.

Why all owners manuals STATE for best engine longevity change at 90 days.

Those that recommend longer intervals don't care about 300-400,000 mile life simple as that.

Why in the world would an engine manufacturer want long life, beyond 150k doesn't help sell a brand new car.

[qship96]

[QUOTE=Q45tech]Nissan uses small filters because they expect them to be replaced every 90 days or 3750 miles simple as that! No talking will make their engineers change their specifications.

Why all owners manuals STATE for best engine longevity change at 90 days.

My owners manual, as I am quite sure all of Infiniti`s also do, says 6 months 7500 miles normal service.....3750 miles/3 months for SEVERE service......owners manual DOES NOT STATE "for best engine longevity change at 90 days"...thats your statement, not Infinitis

[maxnix]

.....3750 miles/3 months for SEVERE service......

Here one might note that urban driving with trips under 10 miles is defined as severe service.

As to OCI, as Dennis has stated, "Member's standards vary."

What is certain, cold starts and time affect crankcase contamination and condensation. No additives can prevent that. Why fresh lubricant is always the best. Only thing debatable is the freshness standard.

[qship96]

Brian, nice deflection.

[maxnix]

Just addressing your point. If you were complaining about the Nissan thimble filters, I don't like them either so use M1.

One thing to consider is 4.5L Nissan holds 6 qts., by 2L Alfa Romeo holds 7.4 qts. Some MB V8 are 11 qts, I believe.

[qship96]

Brian, that was clearly not my point.

MY point was q5tech said the q45 owners manual STATES TO CHANGE OIL EVERY 3750 MILES FOR MAX ENGINE LONGEVITY-- which is NOT TRUE, it is his statement, not INFINITI---got it?

Kind of like the list of ingredients he claims are in BG44K,even says they are in the link he provided...they are not...check for yourself

My point is qtech is posting info and quoting sources that dont back his own quotes, got it? I dont think he needs you to play defense for him by posting **** that doesnt address these points aiming to deflect the issues I pointed out

[Q45denver]

OCI of three months or 3750 miles is likely warranted in a humid or cold climate with dino oil. I know Amsoil owners go 50K miles or more on the same oil just changing the filter in between.

[sultan]

after fred made a thread about bigger filters that fit i started using the motorcraft fl400s on my Q. good filter, cheap and readily available at wal-mart. bigger filter also made it easier (for me) to change the filter since it sticks out more. i started doing the filter from the top without a problem, less hand scraping, too.

the ka's in my 240's use the same stock filter as the Q (lol) so i switched both to oversize, one of them has the fl400s and the other has the mobil1 209. kinda disappointed in how the m1 filter LOOKS (dunno bout performance), fl400s LOOKS better to me. at 3x the price of the motorcraft filter i don't know if i'll buy another m1.

no problems on any of my cars using the big filters, i do add a little extra oil, though.

[Victor]

You wouldn't happen to have part numbers for other brands of larger filters that could be used in place of the tiny filters called out for use on Infinitiis? I seem to remember reading that someone also makes an adapter that would allow standard size filters to be used in place of the tiny Nissan filters.

[sultan]

just look for filters that fit a 94 mustang with a v6. fl400s, m1-209, st3600, etc. don't know any others off hand, no adapters needed.

[NightRiderQ45]

Brian, that was clearly not my point.

MY point was q5tech said the q45 owners manual STATES TO CHANGE OIL EVERY 3750 MILES FOR MAX ENGINE LONGEVITY-- which is NOT TRUE, it is his statement, not INFINITI---got it?

Kind of like the list of ingredients he claims are in BG44K,even says they are in the link he provided...they are not...check for yourself

My point is qtech is posting info and quoting sources that dont back his own quotes, got it? I dont think he needs you to play defense for him by posting **** that doesnt address these points aiming to deflect the issues I pointed out

Thanks you qship96!! Some people believes in sniffing behind Q45tech arse instead of following the scent of their OWN path. Q45tech never came back and defended his comments on the ingredients of BG44k because he was wrong. After reading the facts of qship96 post of BG44k, I will use my last two can and never use it again. I'm a Redline fan from this point on based on the ingredients.

[NightRiderQ45]

Well, since we're talking Supertech filters. I went to the Walmart to pick up some filters looking for M1. My local walmart doesn't stock these so my choices were

1. Fram2. Supertech

I decided to do a quick comparo between the two. Without cutting them open, you can feel the difference. The Supertech is heavier. Looking at the 'flange' part of the filter, you notice its a bit thicker metal than the Fram. The last thing you notice is that the O-ring on the Supertech is larger diameter than any of the Frams! Seems like they didn't cut as many corners as Fram did.

Sold, see you in 3-months/3000 miles.

Nothing wrong with Supertech oil filters! I live by ST7317 now. They are great for your oci's since I do the same on my car. Fram's are garbage. They have cardboard endcaps that you DON'T want on any filter. If you look inside of the ST filter and see a blue circle, this is the good filter that has the well built bypass valve instead of the Ecore version.

[Kiven422]

I use FRAM extended guard... protection up to 7500 miles. I can't find any other brand oil filters that will fit my car. I forgot where I read this but I"m pretty sure its the Q45 owners manual, it states that when you buy the car brand new the original factory oil filter is designed to provide protection for 2 oil change intervals (180 days). Too lazy to confirm but I think its there.

[qship96]

Cant find any oil filters to fit your q45? Have you read thru this thread?

How about these premium choices

Amsoil eao38Mobil 1Pure-oneWixBaldwinK&N

Plus a boatload of cheapies from fram,supertech,purolator,etc,etc,etc

[NightRiderQ45]

Cant find any oil filters to fit your q45? Have you read thru this thread?

How about these premium choices

Amsoil eao38Mobil 1Pure-oneWixBaldwinK&N

Plus a boatload of cheapies from fram,supertech,purolator,etc,etc,etc

Please don't put Purolator and SuperTech in the same category as Fram... SuperTech and Purolator especially Purolator are well built filters. They are plenty of pictures of them cut open on the web. If you are doing 3-5k oci, Purolator, SuperTech, and Wix are the best bang for the buck. I myself have switched from Supertech and I plan on purchasing the Advance Auto Total Grip filter. It is made by Purolator and it's the same exact filter as Purolator Premium Plus. I saw both of them cut open to reveal the media.

Kiven...pictures are worth a thousand words! Here you can see exactly how the fram tough guard is built. The advance auto oil filter is here also. http://mymiata.paladinmicro.com/MiataOFilters.htm

Modified by NightRiderQ45 at 8:46 AM 5/2/2008
Modified by NightRiderQ45 at 8:47 AM 5/2/2008

[reggiegsd]

Wow, I was thinking the same thing as I looked at my last 4 Nissan 60U00 filters. I have spent allot of time lurking around on various auto boards and everyone has an opinion, but no one has facts. Maybe this is a good excuse to go a to remote oil filtration loop. Pretty expensive but it does work.

I had the valve covers off at 160K miles (over Christmas) and the top of the heads, the valve train, and the insides of the valve covers were SPOTLESS(!) with no identifiable valve train wear. A lifetime of Mobile 1 does work.

[qship96]

I am looking locally to source a amsoil eao38 filter to cut open and compare to the 60u00- if it looks as good or better {it should for $17-18} It will become the next choice, otherwise I guess I will go for the M1 filter from Joe