Oh no the headlights are too bright!!!!

[IanS]

Seriously, some people just need to learn to keep their rediculous thoughts to themselves.

http://www.headlight-reform.org/

Everybody fill out the survey and show this retard that they are in the minority.

After answering every questions with Strongly disagree, I left this as a comment.

"It amazes me that you think you know so much, when in fact you know so little.

All that writing, and you know what it all boils down to? HEY YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN.

Seriously, you need to get a grip and stop bitching.

If headlights bother you so much, then I think its time you stop driving.

Get off my roads, and get off my internets."

[Speedy7_7]

I strongly disagreed and ended with this comment: "You are a pathetic excuse for a political cause. F**k you, get a job. Seriously, f**k you, get the hell out of my country you fascist pig."
I am in a worse mood than Ian today, I just read PMQ's posts in the new Aveo thread. I want to smash my skull in.

[AppleBonker]

Man, people pick the dumbest things to complain about. The author chose to pick on Audi and BMW? Really?!? A properly aimed HID projector headlamp is excellent. I would honestly prefer ALL cars had them. I've yet to be "blinded by a BMW SUV coming around a corner". Now, people with older SUVs who install HIDs in the reflector housing can be a bit annoying, but c'mon. Maybe stop staring directly into the light from other vehicles? And complaining about DRLs? That doesn't even make sense. I've NEVER been blinded by any DRL. What's next, finding a way to turn off the sun because it's too bright? That h0mo needs to unbunch the panties and man up. He should try worrying about real problems and not freaking headlights...

[dickie]

Just an FYI to you dumb f*** out there that install cheap HID kits in your non-projector housings: I WILL be f*** your s*** up. Just because you're too poor/lazy/stupid to install your lighting the right way doesn't mean everyone else on the road should suffer for your DUDE SICK CUSTOM LITING, BRA!

[Speedy7_7]

Just an FYI to you dumb f***ers out there that install cheap HID kits in your non-projector housings: I WILL be f**king your s*** up. Just because you're too poor/lazy/stupid to install your lighting the right way doesn't mean everyone else on the road should suffer for your DUDE SICK CUSTOM LITING, BRA!

I totally agree with you! If you can't aim your headlights correctly, GTFOMR!

[Dittoz7]

Meh, I'm to lazy to aim them down.

:p

[tigersharkdude]

disagreed to all, and left this

To anybody that thinks that having HID lights is the problem, they dont understand the concept. HID lights that are put in OEM reflector housings are bad, thats why automakers use projector housings that focus the light at certain point, and have a cutoff shield so that light does not go past a certain point. Im all for making HID's illegal when installed incorrectly, but dont punish the people, like myself, who have spent upwards of a $1000 to make sure that when upgrading the lighting system, they do so in a fashion that actually makes it better for other drivers. I can also state that my projector retrofitted HID headlamps have saved me from hitting animals, and other objects on the road because I could see so well.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Stupid as the page is, I have a special hatred for DRLs myself. They're a stupid idea whose negatives far outweigh any mythical potential positives. I've never seen any I'd consider "too bright" though. Most are just ugly.

DRLs, let's break it down:

Positives:
Might be easier to see cars in extremely rare occasions where visibility is partially limited but there's no reason to run normal headlights. Now think about those conditions. Ever happened to you? Nope, me either.

Negatives:
Ugly
Extra cost (especially the half-a** design that run main headlamps at half wattage)
Added maintenance
More electronics to go wrong
More lamps to change

And, like TSD said, the problem isn't the brightness, it's that 99% of drivers are too ignorant/lazy/stupid to ensure their lights are adjusted correctly. This goes for people with OEM HIDs and halogens as well; by no means is it limited to aftermarket HID installs. I'd wager a fair sum that the morons ranting on that webpage have NEVER EVER checked, adjusted, or even THOUGHT about their headlight adjustment.

[tigersharkdude]

Like when I put my retro's in, I aimed them, and my housings low enough to the ground that about 25' away there is very little glare. At about 300' all you see is a circle of light, you cant see any light above the cutoff line. Ive thought about taking my housings apart and painted the reflector a matte black or white so there is like no way there would be any glare from the housing

[Zydeco]

maybe the world should fallow Subaru did with the STi and put an "headlight beam leveler" switch in side the. I can control how high/low the headlight go.

[MinisterofDOOM]

maybe the world should fallow Subaru did with the STi and put an "headlight beam leveler" switch in side the. I can control how high/low the headlight go.

Most passenger sedans with HIDs have either a manual or automatic leveller. It is not intended for fine adjustments, though. It's there to compensate for rearward tilt that happens when the car is loaded with 3 adults in the back.

EVERY car has fine adjustments built into the headlight housing mounting hardware.

[PEZi]

so i filled it out... but unlike some of you, i didn't strongly disagree to ALL of them.... i personally hate daytime lights... so i agreed with his statements that DRL's should be turned off and discontinued

HID's however.... he can go eat a pink sock

[AppleBonker]

he can go eat a pink sock

I threw up a little...

[PEZi]

[Mr1der]

good properly installed and aimed HID's are great.

I've got a bigger issue with the f*** driving with brights on all the time lately.

[dickie]

good properly installed and aimed HID's are great.

I've got a bigger issue with the f*** driving with brights on all the time lately.

Mostly oldies, I noticed.

[MinisterofDOOM]

good properly installed and aimed HID's are great.

I've got a bigger issue with the f*** driving with brights on all the time lately.

Absolutely. There's a big blue indicator on the instrument cluster reminding them their brights are on. It's impossible to "forget" you have them on. This is just another thing in the huge bag of stuff that makes me think most drivers never EVER think about or look at anything outside the left half of their windshield.

[Jesda]

I use brights more than ever. My ability to see at night is declining with age.

[C-Kwik]

DRLs, let's break it down:

Positives:
Might be easier to see cars in extremely rare occasions where visibility is partially limited but there's no reason to run normal headlights. Now think about those conditions. Ever happened to you? Nope, me either.

Actually, DRL's make cars more visible simply because it creates a distinguishing visual feature. This not only helps a person see the vehicle better, but also distinguishes it from objects in the background. It need not be limited to inclement visibility nor should we consider that since accidents due to a person not seeing another car coming is not limited to situations of limited visibility. There is a reason why motorcycles are also more visible with lights on...

Negatives:
Ugly
Extra cost (especially the half-a** design that run main headlamps at half wattage)
Added maintenance
More electronics to go wrong
More lamps to change

I can't argue with the subjective aspect (appearance) and I would agree that some cars are indeed uglier with DRLs.
Extra cost - sure. But many would find value in an extra margin of safety. And systems that use the headlights at lower wattage as DRLs would be cheaper to implement as there would only be a minor difference in the electronics but share hardware components.
I'm not so sure changing an extra pair of bulbs is going to add that much more maintenance to a vehicle.

And, like TSD said, the problem isn't the brightness, it's that 99% of drivers are too ignorant/lazy/stupid to ensure their lights are adjusted correctly. This goes for people with OEM HIDs and halogens as well; by no means is it limited to aftermarket HID installs. I'd wager a fair sum that the morons ranting on that webpage have NEVER EVER checked, adjusted, or even THOUGHT about their headlight adjustment.

While I would agree that most people don't check their light adjustments, most people probably have little need to. Lights don't tend to go out of adjustment by themselves. Typically, maladjustment is a result of damage.

[MinisterofDOOM]

And systems that use the headlights at lower wattage as DRLs would be cheaper to implement as there would only be a minor difference in the electronics but share hardware components.
I'm not so sure changing an extra pair of bulbs is going to add that much more maintenance to a vehicle.

Xenon HIDs are designed to last a long time. For instance, my parents' Maxima has never had a headlamp replaced. Ever. Try running those headlights constantly at half wattage and getting that kind of life from them. ANY added cost is noticable when you're expecting 6+ years without a single replacement.
Not to mention the fact that HID lamps run in the $50-100 apiece range, where a regular incandescent parking lamp will cost you maybe $5.

Just seems more effective to me to keep the "always-on" lights as cheap and basic as possible. DRL aren't designed to provide illumination for the driver, they're for other drivers to see. You don't need much brightness (wattage) for that. Cheaper to replace, likely easier to replace. Even if you're replacing the DRL lamp more often, at least you're not putting extra wear (usage time) on your primary headlights. Losing a headlight when you need it sucks. Losing a DRL lamp doesn't matter.
Either that, or go with a high-efficiency LED that's meant to last years. But even there, I think I'd prefer a simpler-to-find, cheaper-to-replace park light lamp.

[dusred]

a$$ who put super-bright HID "conversion kits" in their stock light housings need their nads kicked. My eyes are quite sensitive to light and when I come upon someone with those I nearly go blind until they pass. It's VERY unsafe and I'm sure illegal.

[C-Kwik]

Xenon HIDs are designed to last a long time. For instance, my parents' Maxima has never had a headlamp replaced. Ever. Try running those headlights constantly at half wattage and getting that kind of life from them. ANY added cost is noticable when you're expecting 6+ years without a single replacement.
Not to mention the fact that HID lamps run in the $50-100 apiece range, where a regular incandescent parking lamp will cost you maybe $5.

Where is this coming from? My arguments are direct responses to each of your bullet points. I'm not sure where you are getting the HID thing from as I only mentioned that systems that share the lighting components would be cheaper. Nowhere did I say that any OE would actually try to use HID components in a lower wattage configuration.

Just seems more effective to me to keep the "always-on" lights as cheap and basic as possible. DRL aren't designed to provide illumination for the driver, they're for other drivers to see. You don't need much brightness (wattage) for that. Cheaper to replace, likely easier to replace. Even if you're replacing the DRL lamp more often, at least you're not putting extra wear (usage time) on your primary headlights. Losing a headlight when you need it sucks. Losing a DRL lamp doesn't matter.
Either that, or go with a high-efficiency LED that's meant to last years. But even there, I think I'd prefer a simpler-to-find, cheaper-to-replace park light lamp.

What would be cheaper than reusing the existing lights? I think a separate light housing would be more expensive in the long run as light housings for cars tend to be rather pricey. Even if the replacement interval were halved by the use of DRLs, it would likely take a rather large number of years before the costs of each system became equal. And I doubt the interval would actually be halved, since the lower wattage (which requires lower voltage) would not generate as much wear on the filament. According to wiki, "This means that a 5% reduction in operating voltage will more than double the life of the bulb, at the expense of reducing its light output by about 20%." My mom's 97 van uses a shared DRL system and with over 100K miles on the clock and I can't recall ever having to swap out her headlamp bulbs. While your arguments represent valid concerns, in practice, I doubt they are that much of a concern. The trade off would be small and would likely be justified by the increased safety for most people.

[alms24sebring]

I am another that hates the idea of DRLs. Its stupid. I have never not seen a car in the daytime, how would adding lights help me see them. Soooo pointless.

Also, cars and trucks with DRLs are not supposed to be bright to see the road. If thats the case people would just drive with their regular headlights on. They dont blind me.. ever, but again, completely pointless idea.

One thing I do hate is people that constantly drive their cars with their brights on allll the time, especially at night, in traffic. It really pisses me off because well, their f***ing bright!!! I feel like alot of Camrys do that...

Another thing that I think should be outlawed are those stupid knockoff HIDs that are really just purple with no light intensity. Their just stupid and annoying to look at.

I much prefer automatic headlights vs DRLs

[Dattebayo]

Most of what you all are saying is invalid because of legality issues.

DRL statistics don't lie, whether you like them or not. And if you have sensitive eyes, go see a doctor and fix them before you go telling others what to do.

[Razi]

I don't think riding a bicycle does anything to help your eye situation.

[Dattebayo]

Actually, if you have sensitive eyes and find yourself truly blinded by other's headlights, leading you to potentially cause an accident, then you should consider shredding your drivers license and purchasing a bicycle.

Or wear tinted glasses. OMG ARE THOSE ILLEGAL???

You can still kill on a bike. They don't let you drink and ride a bicycle either.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Where is this coming from? My arguments are direct responses to each of your bullet points. I'm not sure where you are getting the HID thing from as I only mentioned that systems that share the lighting components would be cheaper. Nowhere did I say that any OE would actually try to use HID components in a lower wattage configuration.

I didn't say you said that. I have been talking abou HID DRLs from the start. Many cars that use primary headlights as DRL have HIDs. I am specifically talking about them. All Canadian Nissans are this way, for instance.

What would be cheaper than reusing the existing lights?

Didn't say cheaper. Said more effective.

The trade off would be small and would likely be justified by the increased safety for most people.

There's no difference in safety between dedicated DRL and shared lamps.

Also, if I buy a car with DRL, it'll be a lot easier to disable them when they're separate.

[dusred]

OMG guys. Srsly. I'm not the only one with sensitive eyes. Why do you think they make a high beam and a low beam option on vehicles? It's so people don't get blinded by bright lights.

(and BTW I do have a bike and ride it to and from work everyday )

[wingFeather]

who cares?!?!?! Naggers...

[Jesda]

You can still kill on a bike. They don't let you drink and ride a bicycle either.

Actually, they do. St Louis does an annual drunk bicycle ride with a massive group of people cycling from bar to bar. The metro police know of it and allow it.