Obama Not Born In The US

[Armelius]

If you notice the birth certificate he has floating around on his website and elsewhere check out what race his father is. African. African wasn't used in the 60's to describe one's race. The term was negro.

Busted.

[LeroyBrown]

so your saying his B.C is a conspiracy.

[hsckris]

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Seriously though -- Supreme ct. just refused to hear the case about this. There is still one case pending about his nation of origin, but I doubt it will get anywhere.

[LeroyBrown]

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

i agree 100%

[Armelius]

I would say it's a forgery or a fake.

I know what terms people used back then and African American or describing someone's race as African just wasn't an option.

Hawaii is a democrat run state. I doubt if any politician would sign their name to his birth certificate as being genuine as they could be convicted in some sort of conspiracy.

He's an attorney. Supreme Court is full of attorneys. You want my personal opinion of attorneys?

[480sx]

Quick tell the people before its to late! Oh wait, republicans already tried it and it didnt work. These are things that have been hammered and looked over from every angle and every possible direction by people with more intent to discredit obama we will ever know. They failed, but yet you persevere and are convinced because..

Do you seriously believe that every black person that went through the census burrow before the 1960's was named a negro and not african american? Back that up, love to see it. Should be very provable.

As to your question of if we want to hear your opinion of attorneys, i can clearly say that i do not.

The supreme court is full of judges anyway. I cant wait to hear the backlash from that statement.

[Armelius]

Let me get the kid gloves out because you just want the facts and not opinions.

"The supreme court is full of judges anyway."

They are attorneys. Attorney are admitted to the American Bar Association as opposed to The Bar which is the British equivalent or a sub corporation of the same. Yes, the American Bar Association is a corporation. Only attorneys (they are not lawyers) can hold judicial or prosecutional or defense positions.

Quote »In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.[/quote]Changed without any laws or amendments so that you can only have an attorney for counsel. Not a preacher teacher or your mommy.

Finally attorney comes from the word attorn. Meaning to turn over property to the King or Queen.

Quote »With the political consciousness that emerged from the political and social ferment of the late 1960s and early 1970s, the term Negro fell into disfavor among many blacks. It had taken on a moderate, accommodationist, even Uncle Tom, connotation. In this period, a growing number of blacks in the United States, particularly African-American youth, celebrated their blackness and their historical and cultural ties with the African continent. The Black Power movement defiantly embraced Black as a group identifier. It was a term social leaders themselves had repudiated only two decades earlier and a term often associated in English with things negative and undesirable, but they proclaimed, "Black is beautiful".

In this same period, a smaller number of people favored Afro-American. In the 1980s the term African American was advanced on the model of, for example, German American. Jesse Jackson popularized the term, and it was quickly adopted by major media.[/quote]Now go play on those liberal non-thinking websites who call everyone the can conspiracy nuts or fruitcakes. Obviously you can't think for yourself.

[480sx]

You say ridiculous things without any backing at all. This thing that you have brought up has been discounted time and time again. Then get angry because we blast you on points. I again, gave you the chance to back your argument and what do you do? Launch a personal attack on me. Hell i even told you how you could do it.

Your a fvking joke.

You actually are right on the literal definition of attorneys, all supreme judges are attorneys. Although with your use of the liberal definition so is a president and pretty much anyone in the government.

I love your use of a middle ages definition of attorn, your a nut.

You dont have to pass the bar to be a supreme justice, at least not everywhere.

Changed without any laws or amendments so that you can only have an attorney for counsel. Not a preacher teacher or your mommy.

RELEVANCE? WTF? In addition, in my state thats not true at all.

Now go play on those liberal non-thinking websites who call everyone the can conspiracy nuts or fruitcakes. Obviously you can't think for yourself.

This is a poltics forum. The things you say are subjected to scruitiny and pressure, along with something called FACT CHECKING. Especially when your making absurd statements like you have been doing since you found this subsection.. YOUR the one who needs to join another forum. Your not doing so hot here.

Your level of failure is off the charts guy.
Modified by 480sx at 6:45 AM 12/10/2008

[marlin29311]

Now go play on those liberal non-thinking websites who call everyone the can conspiracy nuts or fruitcakes. Obviously you can't think for yourself.

It's like a right wing Telcoman or Bob!!!

[S13_love]

If you notice the birth certificate he has floating around on his website and elsewhere check out what race his father is. African. African wasn't used in the 60's to describe one's race. The term was negro.

Busted.

<--- Unfortunantely, thats an understatement. There's no icon on here to describe what i felt after reading that...wow

[smockers83]

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Best post in this thread. An all-time favorite movie.

Oh, by the way, this is a

We've already had this debate a long time ago. If this was a concern to you, it should have been a concern before the election.

[LeroyBrown]

This is a poltics forum. The things you say are subjected to scruitiny and pressure, along with something called FACT CHECKING. Especially when your making absurd statements like you have been doing since you found this subsection.. YOUR the one who needs to join another forum. Your not doing so hot here.

Your level of failure is off the charts guy.

Modified by 480sx at 6:45 AM 12/10/2008

i agree again 100%

[Cold_Zero]

Wait? You mean that Obama wasn't born in one of the 57th or 58th States of our Union? He was born in the 50th? Had he been born 3 years earlier, he wouldn't have been born in a State at all!bud

[Armelius]

I doing a poll. I talked to a reporter today too. He said it's already been settled. I tried to explain and he cut me off.

So the people out there do not really want to question this or look into it anymore. Maybe they are afraid.

You have plenty of people out there happy this country is being treated as a banana republic and 480sx sure sounds like one of them.

I have taken an oath and I have never resended that oath so I will keep looking into it.

[Cold_Zero]

I don't see why the Obama camp didn't put a stake in this issue in the first place and prove (beyond a shadow of a doubt) that he is an American born in America. Best way to cut off conspiracy theories is to cut them off at the knees with proof.

I don't doubt he was born in Hawaii, as he said. Some speculated his trip to see his ailing Grandmother was so that they could get his birth certificate tied up.

[Armelius]

But the thing is that you or I wasn't there and as it turns out it's fairly easy to get a Hawaiian birth certificate.

Just tell me what hospital? What doctor? What nurse? And what do the Clintons know about the whole thing?

[C-Kwik]

"The Obama campaign had hoped to end the controversy last spring by releasing his actual Hawaii birth certificate. But that prompted further questions about its authenticity, which were compounded when state authorities in Hawaii said they could not vouch for it, because they were constrained by the privacy laws.

Then, on Oct. 31st, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health issued a statement, proclaiming that he had personally seen and verified that the state has "Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record," which shows that he was born there."

Source: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com....aspx

[Armelius]

It's a public record so make it public. Gov. Linda Lingle hasn't sent me a copy of it.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.co....html



That doesn't look like an original to me.

But race his father is African? Doesn't sound right at all. Someone screwed up and that sure looks like people are covering things up.

[Cold_Zero]

They said something about the border of the certificate changes each year and that the border does not match 1961's border. Who knows, since his Father was Kenyan, "African" for a race (which is quite broad of a term) doesn't seem all that out of the ordinary.

[hsckris]

And what do the Clintons know about the whole thing?

I think it is obvious that if the Clinton's had any real proof of anything shady they would have been all over it like Jesda on bacon.

[Armelius]

Maybe that is why all his former opponents (democrats) got promoted with the exception of Edwards for obvious reasons.

[480sx]

You have plenty of people out there happy this country is being treated as a banana republic and 480sx sure sounds like one of them.

You obviously havnt been around long enough or read really any of my posts. You also seem to be a horrible judge of character.

I would go into detail about why this is beating a dead horse, but its already been done. Or say something about your latest conspiracy theory, but seriously.. Such a waste.

You have no support, no backing, no solid information for your claims. They are frivolous and for the most part baseless. Why you make them is your own problem. You can carry out your life 'seeking the truth', thats fine, your prerogative. Come back to us with something solid, or stop posting this garbage.

You once again have ignored every FACT and argument in this thread to make a personal attack on me.

There are plenty of forums out there that would love to have you aboard and would probably nut swing right there with ya.

[ishkabibble]

[AZhitman]

I would say it's a forgery or a fake.

And you'd be a non-expert, so it wouldn't matter.

You want my personal opinion of attorneys?

Oh please share. I'm holding my breath and rocking back and forth in anticipation.

I doing a poll.

Is that Ebonics?

I have taken an oath and I have never resended that oath

An oath of what? Ignorance?

Most people who take an oath as a function of their employment (like me) know how to spell "rescinded".

We also know you can't "rescind" an oath. You CAN break an oath, but rescind is more properly used to describe the repealment, annulment, voiding, or declaration of a contract, policy or law.

Don't come in here with a 3" peter looking for a swordfight. This ain't the place.

That doesn't look like an original to me.

Again - You'd be a non-expert, so it wouldn't matter.

It's likely a reprint of an original, which is just as good as an original. I oversee the Department of Vital Records as a function of my employ, so I'm pretty familiar with "paper" as we call certified copies of vital record documents.

Let it be noted that I'd like nothing more than to find out the whole BC issue was a huge sham and cover up. And I'm NOT an Obamallama.

He's the President-Elect. Get over yourself.

p.s. Nice cat.

[heliochrome85]

oh greg, how i love you.

srsly.epic FAIL OP. EPIC.

[480sx]

Seriously, Ish, AZ, and all who contributed to this 'thread'. You made my fvkin day.

OP -

[Armelius]

I don't know anyone who could take a statement at face value and not suspect something wasn't the whole truth or a lie. Look how you take my statements and chew on them. It's completely normal and I don't have to call you people idiots if I am right or wrong.

We have government officials like the FBI or Goverors or elected officials who should be able to put their reputation on the line when they make a statement. We also have journalist who are supposed to be part of the fourth estate questioning these people or digging for the truth of the matter.

A journalist should be able to investigate a Watergate break in or weather or not there are wmd's in Iraq. Same goes for checking on a birth certificate.

But you go ahead and make fun of how I spell or my grammar or what kind of hats I might wear. So far from what I have seen with the government officials and journalists not worth their salt you are in pretty good company.

[Armelius]

Carl Huse is a real journalist for the New York Times. Known for his great work on the McCain Canal Zone birth at a real hospital with two US citizens as parents of the former presidential candidate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02...?_r=1

He even added some research going into other candidates in the past and their political offices in the same article.

From left, LOWELL P. WEICKER JR., of Connecticut, born in Paris, was told he was eligible for the Oval Office. GEORGE ROMNEY, born in Mexico, ran for the presidency in 1968. BARRY GOLDWATER was born in the Arizona territory in 1909, before it became a state. CHESTER A. ARTHUR was born in Vermont, but rumors suggested it was Canada.

But going to Hawaii and doing an actual investigation is just beyond this non-tin hat never leaving the office reporter. I would yet attach a quote from this noble reporter such as "Obama won, get over it," but he has yet to say such bold statements. I have checked on the internets and Huse was born in Illinois and the New York Times is an actual paper with ink and paper forming words that people buy on a regular basis. I think it's mainly sold in New York but I saw one in Starbucks somewhere in California at one time. How it got there I do not know.

[S13_love]

Obama won, get over it

[Armelius]

Evidently Obama didn't have to register for selective service.

It would be fair to say that I too will no longer be governed by my own consent.

What is the motive to the secret ballot? This, and only this: Like other confederates in crime, those who use it are not friends, but enemies; and they are afraid to be known, and to have their individual doings known, even to each other. They can contrive to bring about a sufficient understanding to enable them to act in concert against other persons; but beyond this they have no confidence, and no friendship, among themselves. In fact, they are engaged quite as much in schemes for plundering each other, as in plundering those who are not of them. And it is perfectly well understood among them that the strongest party among them will, in certain contingencies, murder each other by the hundreds of thousands (as they lately did do) to accomplish their purposes against each other. Hence they dare not be known, and have their individual doings known, even to each other. And this is avowedly the only reason for the ballot: for a secret government; a government by secret bands of robbers and murderers. And we are insane enough to call this liberty! To be a member of this secret band of robbers and murderers is esteemed a privilege and an honor! Without this privilege, a man is considered a slave; but with it a free man! With it he is considered a free man, because he has the same power to secretly (by secret ballot) procure the robbery, enslavement, and murder of another man, and that other man has to procure his robbery, enslavement, and murder. And this they call equal rights!

If any number of men, many or few, claim the right to govern the people of this country, let them make and sign an open compact with each other to do so. Let them thus make themselves individually known to those whom they propose to govern. And let them thus openly take the legitimate responsibility of their acts. How many of those who now support the Constitution, will ever do this? How many will ever dare openly pro- [*31] claim their right to govern? or take the legitimate responsibility of their acts? Not one!

http://www.lysanderspooner.org/notreason.htm