Obama Not Born In The US

[mattblancarte]

[C-Kwik]

It's a public record so make it public. Gov. Linda Lingle hasn't sent me a copy of it.

Since when are birth certificate's public record?

That doesn't look like an original to me.

Its not. The bold text at the bottom clearly indicates the document is prima facie evidence of birth. Sure, it could be forged as any document can, but this document in that of itself does not support in any way shape or form that Obama was born outside of the states.

But race his father is African? Doesn't sound right at all. Someone screwed up and that sure looks like people are covering things up.

Perhaps the term is altrered for official copies to be more politically correct.

http://www.snopes.com/politics...e.asp

Here's some additional info from what many consider a great source for confirming fact from fiction:

http://www.snopes.com/politics...e.asp As much as I don't think it will do any good, read this article. They are essentially describing you:

http://www.salon.com/news/feat...icate/

Ultimately though, you've provided no conclusive evidence that Obama isn't considered a natural born citizen. So far, all we see from you is based purely on speculation. Come back when you actually find something credible.

[Armelius]

I have heard of people faking their birth certificates, social security cards and even {gasp} drivers licenses.

If birth certificates especially one of a presidential candidate, is kept secret then we have nothing but a secret government. Votes should be public too. Looking at a piece of paper with no verification whatsoever also means we have a secret government.

A secret government is not an open government. Just look what the politicians have been doing in Chicago recently. You think Obama is above Chicago politics?

If you are cool with everyone running around with fake documents, a system that encourages secrecy and back room dealings then I suppose there is no need to complain or be concerned because we wouldn't be that much different than those governments we opposed during WWI or WWII and least of all USSR.

[smockers83]

They said something about the border of the certificate changes each year and that the border does not match 1961's border.

If you're talking about that certificate compared to the '61 certificate, of course it's not going to match. That certificate was printed in 2007 looks like.

[480sx]

FFS, can we just get this guy out of the politics section? This is just garbage that belongs on some nut job conspiracy forum. No backing at all, no real reasoning behind your statements. This dude just ignores all the facts, all the criticism to his arguments, and just keeps coming up with more ludicrous ****.

OP - Our eyes just arnt as open as yours. The government has already gotten to us. You are the only one who can save the world. But please do it elsewhere.
Modified by 480sx at 3:16 PM 12/11/2008

[Armelius]

Maybe you can find that selective service registration. Should be floating around on the NYTimes website or some other upstanding news service.

[hannibal]

Wow...

[C-Kwik]

I have heard of people faking their birth certificates, social security cards and even {gasp} drivers licenses.

Surely. But if you were to go to the office where such records are kept and try to search for a fake document, it would not be there. An official in Hawaii confirmed it exists. Keep in mind, there were at least 2 parties this would have had interest in this issue. Neither took the issue up once it was confirmed. You're grasping at straws.

If birth certificates especially one of a presidential candidate, is kept secret then we have nothing but a secret government. Votes should be public too. Looking at a piece of paper with no verification whatsoever also means we have a secret government.

Tell you what. Lets make your SSN# and BC public. Post the info here. Give us your home address while you're at it. I guarantee someone with malicious intent will find it and use it to benefit themselves. We can't ask the president to give up his personal info. He has already satisfied the other branches of government. They are the checks and balances.

A secret government is not an open government. Just look what the politicians have been doing in Chicago recently. You think Obama is above Chicago politics?

When it comes down to it noone is assuredly above anything that can be deemed immoral. We ALL have the capacity to do wrong. You are simply assuming the worse. But it seems you are the only one with such a high level of paranoia over something that has such a small probablility of being an issue.

If you are cool with everyone running around with fake documents, a system that encourages secrecy and back room dealings then I suppose there is no need to complain or be concerned because we wouldn't be that much different than those governments we opposed during WWI or WWII and least of all USSR.

Well, I see you're not above using propaganda tactics. Trying to use a broader scope of an issue to raise panic and fear without being able to actually prove that such a threat exists (in this case, that Obama was not born in Hawaii) is just that. Try actually proving point one before trying to assert point two is valid.

[Armelius]

I don't have to prove or disprove anything. The fact that the press is avoiding it and elected officials or law enforcement type officials to include the supreme court is avoiding it then that is telling.

Sort of like WMD's in Iraq. And I could easily say it's hard to disprove or prove something that isn't there or was never there. Easier to prove something that is there.

[HashiriyaS14]

I don't have to prove or disprove anything. The fact that the press is avoiding it

They're avoiding it because it's a stupid non-issue and they're not going to give it the time of day.

It does not behoove a politician to jump every time someone makes a nonsensical attack at them. It would look impossibly silly if he came forward and said "look, I'm native-born", when he already had to be independently certified as such to become the Democratic nominee.

This thread is ridiculous. You're allowed to be ridiculous so I'm not going to start editing all your posts to read "I choke on sausage", but I'm VERY tempted to do so.

Please stop being retarded.

[Armelius]

There are people who tried to get this in court or to have their politicians do their jobs.

The whole reason why we have a representative republic is because people used to live so far away from DC so they elected someone who might be informed to go to DC and make an informed decision for them.

I don't live near DC and sounds like there is something going on about it to me.

[HashiriyaS14]

The whole reason why we have a representative republic is because people used to live so far away from DC so they elected someone who might be informed to go to DC and make an informed decision for them.

And EVERY SINGLE elected official in existence has made the "informed decision" that this is stupid and irrelevant.

It IS stupid, and it IS irrelevant.

STFU about it. No one cares.

[marlin29311]

This thread is ridiculous. You're allowed to be ridiculous so I'm not going to start editing all your posts to read "I choke on sausage", but I'm VERY tempted to do so.

Doooooooooo it.........lol

[Armelius]

I care. But if he can get away with it I think that is great too.

Sort of like the Canadian parliament thing going on. I don't know much about it but I care. Maybe we should tell them to STFU about it? But so far I can't find much information about the Canadian topic or this one, when I do and can make an informed opinion about it then I might not care so much about it.

[HashiriyaS14]

But if he can get away with it I think that is great too.

He's not getting away with anything.

He didn't do anything.

He's a natural-born citizen.

Anyone who's asserting anything else is a rabble-rousing douchebag.

Don't believe everything you hear.

If the authorities, INCLUDING the conservative press and Republican leadership aren't acting on this, that means there's nothing to it.

If there was a credible way to unseat Obama, don't you think GOP leadership would be on it like white on rice?

Just because some wackballs on the radio or internet say something doesn't make it true. It's bull, and we're all sick of hearing about it.

[Armelius]

Well I am not hearing anything or finding anything. Selective service isn't a big deal either. Not really a requirement for those under 25. What are they going to do draft someone?

So yeah, I think it would be great to find out that Obama never signed up for selective service. Really.

[DrifterXRPS13]

It's true guys, i've seen the fake obama certificate and he was not born in these here united states...

...with my own two eyes, i've seen the documentation.../thread.

[Armelius]

It's not a big deal anyways. Shouldn't matter at all after thinking about it.

I am going to concentrate more on the governor of Illinois than this topic. Unless something happens otherwise I am not going to waste everyone's time or post anymore in this thread. Everyone else should just let it go and I am sorry I ever brought it up.

[smockers83]

I don't have to prove or disprove anything.

Last time I checked, that's the whole point to a debate, is to prove your side and disprove the other.

Doh!

[Armelius]

Ok. And I just said I am going to take the Governor of Illinois side in something more worthy of my time. Since he probably can't say anything I will just have to go against the allegations. He may be guilty but I think he's innocent until proven guilty.

[AZhitman]

Hear that sound? It's the screen door of your trailer home slamming, Daddy's home.

Now, get back on Page One, answer all the crtiques of your position successfully, and we MIGHT let you keep playing in the sandbox.

Until then, you're just an epileptic two-headed kitten on crack chasing two balls of yarn.

[Armelius]

well let the crack and balls fly, might have to get facial reconstruction in Scottsdale but I am ready

[LeroyBrown]

armelius your getting killed.

[smockers83]

Last time I checked, that's the whole point to a debate, is to prove your side and disprove the other.

Doh!

Ok. And I just said I am going to take the Governor of Illinois side in something more worthy of my time.

Ok, and I'm just saying that you need to learn how to play the game we have here or else this is what you should expect from us here on out. You can't just come in here and spew crap and not have anything to back it up with or an ability to prove your point. Even the members in here who are conservatives (which have outnumbered the liberals in the past, not sure if it's still true) and campaigned hard against Obama are against you. It's not a matter of ignorance or apathy or the media not focusing on it. In fact, the same thing was being said of McCain.

[Armelius]

Ok. No point rubbing it in. I should have posted this in the General forum then maybe we could have had more fun with it.

I agree it's a touchy subject though.

[heliochrome85]

you think this thread would have lasted anything more than mere minutes in the general forum before being moved to here? lulz...

thank you for your idiocy.

darwin just doesnt work fast enough sometimes.

[Armelius]

Not this thread but using the word African as a race which is part of this whole thread's premise.

Would you like to see? I can post it the long thread I started. Or just have it here that modern man started in Africa and we are all part of that race. Isn't a color but the original modern men were more readily able to adapt to different conditions. Some that stayed in the sun had to adapt with protective melanin and those that went to places with little sun (winter climates) had to have less melanin to make use of low light conditions.

Obama's father is just as African as the rest of us.

[heliochrome85]

As P.J. O'Rourke once quipped..."Republicans should never skip their meds."

[Armelius]

As P.J. O'Rourke once quipped..."Republicans should never skip their meds."

Another dead man with nothing more to say. I am alive.

[heliochrome85]

you are a troll. its a good thing im not a mod, otherwise, i'd have banned you by now for being belligerant and in no way contributing to the discussion.

Quiet. men are talking.